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    I have *heard* that the 4 noncompliant companies as deemed by BeFree are:

    Gator
    WhenU
    Xupiter
    JambaFind

    A rather interesting mix when you think about these companies and how they operate. Although, where I heard this I consider reliable, I'm looking forward to hearing offical verification from a representative of BeFree.

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    BLFH ...put forth with your usual southern charm.

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    If they won't adopt and feed a bird ..flip them one! BBQ some Gator and remember to flush WhenU..

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    CoC quote:
    Publisher may notify an End-User once that End-User has arrived at the Advertiser's Web site of an opportunity to utilize technology employed by that Publisher and obtain the End-User's consent via affirmative action upon each occurrence to proceed with the operation of such technology. Implementation of software application functionality requires that the notification be easily understood by the average End-User, that it occurs on each instance that the functionality is to be activated, and that it is not objectionable to the Advertiser.

    Doen't look like we will see much of a change.

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    I assume through the legaleze BF meant the incent customers need to take some physical action on the resulting popup rather than have the real referral cookie overwritten automatically just from the popup action. A real click action should be required EVERY TIME as millions of BHO infected machines don't even know they have the theftware installed.

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    So are you saying that the BHO can still pop up on our sites? And the customer has to click on it to get the rebate etc. If that is the case, big deal! Whats really changed except that they can't automatically over write our cookie? They should be made to work off of their own site!
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    quote:
    Originally posted by cazzie:
    So are you saying that the BHO can still pop up on our sites? And the customer has to click on it to get the rebate etc. If that is the case, big deal! Whats really changed except that they can't automatically over write our cookie? They should be made to work off of their own site!
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    The way the wording sounds to me, is that they'll still track either click-thru's from our sites or just detect arrival at a merchant site in general (including, of course direct noncommissionable arrivals) and at that point (after arrival at the merchant site) will launch the pop-up.

    Whereas before that pop-up, wherever it occurred, would overwrite the id with their affiliate code automatically, now it seems that the end user has to click an "OK" in the pop-up to affect the original referrers commission.

    Wasn't someone here commenting that the spot to close the pop-up was in a non-intuitive place on some recent occurences? i.e. the "x" wasn't the way to close it, rather the "x" was part of the pop-up...

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    The way I see it is that the networks consider it ok to intrude on my shopper once reaching the merchants site as long as it is not automatic. If the BHO is configured right it will be the same as automatic when the shopper makes a decision. The pop-up can be configured to activate the re-direction no matter what the shopper decides. Yes or no equals re-direction.

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    Thanks for posting this info - just ran over here to see who the non-compliers might be & you informed beautifully BLFH

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    quote:
    So are you saying that the BHO can still pop up on our sites? And the customer has to click on it to get the rebate etc. If that is the case, big deal! Whats really changed except that they can't automatically over write our cookie? They should be made to work off of their own site!



    Yes cazzie basically. But that was from the first COC, there has been no change there. The first COC said they had to click something for an overwrite to happen. But they also said they could not pop up unauthorized on a site, which I would think is the noncompliant issue regarding Whenu since they still popup all over many sites.

    The only change to the COC was the part dealing with the afrscr code.

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    From the COC update Feb 10th :

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    An affiliate cannot modify another affiliate's web pages or use the content of another affiliate site to trigger an offer or pop-up.


    I would think the bolded part of that update is the point where we still stand some ground .


    Also,
    Assuming that non-complying partners were removed on or around the 10th, a question I have is : Can an invalid affiliate cookie still overwrite the original cookie that was set giving the merchant commission free sales ?
    Dumb question, maybe , but is this possible ?

    At what point does the second cookie overwrite the original cookie ? If it could be overwritten by a "stale cookie", so to speak , then what is to stop parasites like WhenU from loading those cookies automatically without the click on the pop-up just to screw us and get even ?

    This is probably just my imagination run wild, but having whenu and waking up to the new found "enhanced search results " feature I now have , could it be that whenu has just found a new victim ?

    Teaming up with and loading that "SubSearch/v21" parasite to Hijack SE traffic and provide their new source of income ?

    [This message was edited by Lisa on February 14, 2003 at 09:08 AM.]

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    Oh so true ..."Wasn't someone here commenting that the spot to close the pop-up was in a non-intuitive place on some recent occurences? i.e. the "x" wasn't the way to close it, rather the "x" was part of the pop-up..."

    Borrowed or taught from Porn Univ advertising course 1001. Make the popup image look like a normal popup box with interior content surrounded by the normal frame and the top corner X-box. Just make the popup borderless with no actionheader the exact size of the image. Bang The "incent user" or those millions who got infected with hidden downloads just think they closed the popup window but they approved the overwrite.

    Devious minds using something like this have no problem figuring out a way to keep those duped reward customer's portion of the theft proceeds. Brillant when pulled off as they ALL get double our commission rate for their infernal popup theft devices. Has anyone ever seen or heard of the actual reward payout amounts these kindly B-a-HO pimp daddies sent to their slaves??? Don't ask the networks as they only provide the software. ..In the times of the BHO Bot wars..loose lips sink ships.

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    I have seen on WhenU recently somtimes the x close button in located at the bottom of the pop instead of the top. It is more difficult to get to and more care has to be taken (at least my me) not to activate the pop either to the advertiser or to whenu.

    I've also seen WhenU do the this funny little pop a couple of times. The ad slided down into the footer of the pop where the whenu disclaimer and window control buttons are. As best as I could figure it out, whether the ad "slide" up or down depended on where your cursor was on the browser window. It would slide down if placed anywhere on the website I went to. Would slide up if on the pop footer or off of the browser screen altogether. I seemed to me that little beauty was the brilliant idea of someone on their legal team.

    I foresee many changes to the programs as the pressure on their business models continues to intensify.

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