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    This really irritates me... I download the Aluria spyware scanner and discover that the registration address I give on my catch-all email account has been passed onto spammers.

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    X-Persona: <Dynamoo>
    Return-Path: <jbmagal10@email.com>
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    X-Sender: jbmagal10@email.com
    From: Julio Magallanes <jbmagal10@email.com>
    To: aluria@xxxxxxx.com
    Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:50:52 +0800
    Subject: JOIN FOR FREE! Learn and Earn
    Reply-To: jbmagal11@email.com
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Return-Path: jbmagal10@email.com
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    X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2002 05:50:52.0721 (UTC) FILETIME=[D6E98A10:01C265E9]


    Hello,

    My name is Julio Magallanes. I would like
    to invite you to join the time tested
    online opportunity.

    For the past 5 years the program created a
    great name in the online network marketing
    world. It generates tremendous number of
    subscriptions worldwide. It produces many
    successful individuals in all walks of life.
    It has an excellent track record to date.

    The marketing plan has been improved
    frequently to adopt the ever changing online
    market and to give the members the maximum
    benefits and satisfaction.

    It has a high payout compensation plan with
    unlimitted and secured residual income streams.
    A monthly compensation that you can depend on.

    The activities are very simple. No experience
    needed. It is designed to work right in your
    home. If you have 10-15 hours a week, then you
    can easily succeed in this business.

    It has an excellent online training site where
    you can learn how to succeed in the online
    market. The lessons covers, basic and professional
    prospecting, leadership, tap root networking, etc.

    It has a powerful support system. It's the best
    support system I ever encountered. A team of
    upline sponsors that will assist you, guide
    you and support you in every step of the way
    to success. The team would even help you build
    up your own downlines. That's what we call
    TEAM work.

    If you want to have more information about this
    business opportunity, just get a FREE membership
    ID by sending an email to juliuz@univsoft.com
    with the subject "REGISTER ME FOR FREE" and put
    your Firstname and Lastname in the body of your
    email. Also include the following statement"

    "By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club
    Membership I agree to accept email from the
    DHS Club for both their consumer and business
    opportunities."

    As a Free member you can enjoy lots of benefits
    and even start earning.
    It has NO COST, NO RISK, NO OBLIGATION, No
    COMMITMENT, and you can cancel your membership
    anytime you want.

    You have nothing to loose and definitely a lot
    to gain.

    Test drive our program and we will show you how
    to do the business. We even build up downlines
    for you. You can watch your downline grow and
    have the opportunity to earn from them.

    JOIN FOR FREE! LEARN and EARN!


    Sincerely yours,
    Julio Magallanes


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    Well that's rather disappointing. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    WOW! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] Well this is shocking to me, I know them personally and just can't bring myself to believe it.

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    I am shocked also! I emailed the AM.

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    Hi Guys!
    This is Jamie Garrison, Marketing Director, Aluria Software.
    I got Haiko's letter this morning and also wrote to Dynamoo. I was a bit confused by the post. First of all, we NEVER use people's email addresses for anything besides emergency broadcasts and product updates. Our policy on Spam (Haiko will tell you) is a Zero Tolerance. You Spam on our products you are OUT. No commission, nothing [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] We even started the IFA (Internet Fraud Alliance....www.internetfraudalliance.com) to stop affiliate spam/fraud to help other merchants.

    Spyware Eliminator is ONLY a detection and elimination software. It puts nothing onto your pc and takes nothing from it (except to get rid of spyware [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Dynamoo, can you be a bit more specific with me on what happened and perhaps I can help you get to the bottom of it.

    Aluria Software has a perfect rating with the BBB, we are members of Dunn & Bradstreet and the Association of Shareware Merchants. We hold integrity to the highest level and I assure you we do NOT spam nor do we violate our privacy policy (www.aluriasoftware.com/privacy)
    Thanks for your time & have a great day!

    Jamie Garrison
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    Aluria Software, LLC
    www.aluriasoftware.com

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    OOPS!
    I put the wrong addy for our privacy policy!
    Try:

    http://www.aluriasoftware.com/privacy.htm

    thanks!

    Jamie

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    Jamie,

    Thanks for posting and yes, I know how great your program and how strong your marketing guidelines are! That is exactly why I openly support and recommended you to our memberbase.

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    You might check your server security features since your program targets adwarez/spyware programs who sure are affiliated with e-mail list brokers and outright spammers. The darkside might have planted a listening/recording trojan with a call home feature inside your download server.

    Heck the law enforcement computer task forces, seeking child porn downloaders, have purchased these type trojans or hired hackers to plant them on suspect private or commercial hosting services. The likes of spamcop.net and cexx.org have uncovered them buried in their so called secure servers.

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    ABW Adviser Panel Dynamoo's Avatar
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    SpamCop indicates that it originated from supercom.com.ph - if you weren't sending it, then maybe your CC merchant is selling the addresses on?

    That address was ONLY used when I went through your software purchase process.. and the message is all I have (complete with headers).

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    Interesting....
    We use 1AutomationWiz and they are BIG BIG BIG anti spammers...they hate it! I'll talk to Don to see if perhaps there could be a leak there, although I doubt it. I am also going to have all of our servers checked and double checked for the hacks EcomCity mentioned. Very interesting.

    Thanks for the heads up guys!

    Jamie

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    Also,
    In your pasted message Dynamoo, I don't recognize the company who sent that email. Whoever it is, they are strangers to us.

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    Another thought. Dynamoo...did Spyware Eliminator FIND any spyware? It's entirely possible that there are/were programs on your PC who DO have access to that info (and more) and would sell/use it. That is the whole reason we put this product out there. We were sick and tired of being spied on by marketing companies.

    I wish it would become illegal for them to spy on us! You couldn't go and put a camera in someone's house, but you can legally put spyware on their Computer and watch everything they do!

    Chaps my booty!!

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    It found:

    <UL TYPE=SQUARE><LI>NewsUpd.exe - Creative Labs spyware which was already blocked by ZoneAlarm and..
    <LI> NetZip - Real/Netscape spyware-compromised download tool (don't use it)[/list]

    The catch-all email account is normally spam-free, but it had specifically been sent to the aluria@ address I'd used to purchase the product. No other catch-all address I use gets spammed in such a way (apart from the usual postmaster@ etc rubbish)

    I'd expect other people to see the spam who purchased the software.. if there are none, then that would be odd. But what's the possibility of a spammer randomly choosing the aluria@ plus my hostname combination?

    Something odd is going on.

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    I totally agree that something is going on. I'm seriously wondering if we ARE being attacked by the Spyware companies that we are removing! I'm contacting our programmers/web admin guys and checking on it. I know WE are secure. I have a letter in to our CC processor for explanation [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    I'll keep you posted!

    Jamie

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    Thanks Jamie.

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    Well our CC processor is squeaky and so is verisign...

    I think either the addy was harvested or something of a sabotage nature is going on. My guess is harvest. Let's see if anyone else has this happen and we'll keep investigating!

    Jamie

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    Just wanted to go on record saying that I don't believe they had anything to do with leaking the address. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    ABW Adviser Panel Dynamoo's Avatar
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    I am utterly, utterly baffled then. The thing is, if it could harvest the registration email addy what else could it get?

    (Dynamoo checks CC statement to find nothing odd).

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    I totally agree with you. HOW do these spiders work? Does anyone know?

    Don at Automation Wiz was telling me that someone approached him last week trying to sell him some program that will harvest 30,000 addresses PER MINUTE!!!

    They look for patterns.

    I'm tempted to "make one up" purchase our software and see what happens!

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    Jamie,
    First, let me say thanks for your stance on SPAM....secondly, I know of quite a few folks here that purchased the program...did anybody else get something (of course you could only tell if you used a catch-all or specific account).


    Dynamoo...now, couple of things for you..did you just use a catch-all that forwards to another e-mail addy, or did you set up a specific account for this (just wanted to verify)...
    I'm putting my bets that it was either something on your computer that 'called home' with your info....Second guess is if Aluria sent you a receipt to that address, something could have been harvested in-between and the address was picked up. I don't know if that is technically possible, but I DO KNOW you never, ever want to e-mail credit card information since it can pass through so many servers along the way with security unknown (unless you are encrypting your email)...I'm wondering if it could have been picked up between your purchase receipt....Just a thought [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    It was a catch-all, not an individual POP3 account, but the PC was basically clean of spyware and it hasn't happened on any of the other catch-alls I use.

    I guess it's technically possible that part of the mail relay chain is harvesting addys but unlikely.

    OK, I believe that no-one has sold on my details [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] And if no-one else has had the same sort of spam then I'm completely at a loss.. it's looking just like me, isn't it?

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    Moo...I too think harvesting from a relay is unlikely, but there is something going on...especially since I'm pretty sure these guys aren't the spamming type [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] I am also at a loss (but very,very curious).

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    I think harvesting from a relay is very unlikely and if there's no-one else I can only assume it's a problem somewhere nearer my end with a bug in the POP3 server or my mail client.

    Never seen this before though, so am baffled.

    (It's a fine piece of software this in any case and well worth the money for peace of mind!)

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    Hmm.. the other thought I had was that the information may have been picked up while "in transit" on a web-enable database somewhere. These email address scrapers are terribly efficient and don't abide by the robots.txt.. indeed I suspect that some of them even parse the robots.txt to spider "forbidden" parts of a web site.

    Hmmm this one is getting like the X-Files.

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    Here it is again.. this time sent to the registration address I used for the 1automationwiz.com affiliate program. The address is *different* from the last one. The email comes from a company in the Philippines.

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    Return-Path: <jbmagal11@email.com>
    Delivered-To: *******************-aluria-affiliate@mail-relay.pulsar.ukshells.net
    Received: (qmail 4830 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 12:12:28 -0000
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    Delivered-To: alias-aluria-affiliate@***********
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    Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:15:41 +0800
    X-Sender: jbmagal11@email.com
    From: JB Magallanes <jbmagal11@email.com>
    To: aluria-affiliate@***********
    Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:15:40 +0800
    Subject: JOIN FOR FREE! Learn and Earn
    Reply-To: jbmagal10@email.com
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Return-Path: jbmagal11@email.com
    Message-ID: <PSZ2K4xDh9vXsFFsAit00000a9f@ps.pxserver.com>
    X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Oct 2002 12:15:41.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[6CAAB0C0:01C26A0D]

    Hello,

    My name is Julio Magallanes. I would like
    to invite you to join the time tested
    online opportunity.

    For the past 5 years the program created a
    great name in the online network marketing
    world. It generates tremendous number of
    subscriptions worldwide. It produces many
    successful individuals in all walks of life.
    It has an excellent track record to date.

    The marketing plan has been improved
    frequently to adopt the ever changing online
    market and to give the members the maximum
    benefits and satisfaction.

    It has a high payout compensation plan with
    unlimitted and secured residual income streams.
    A monthly compensation that you can depend on.

    The activities are very simple. No experience
    needed. It is designed to work right in your
    home. If you have 10-15 hours a week, then you
    can easily succeed in this business.

    It has an excellent online training site where
    you can learn how to succeed in the online
    market. The lessons covers, basic and professional
    prospecting, leadership, tap root networking, etc.

    It has a powerful support system. It's the best
    support system I ever encountered. A team of
    upline sponsors that will assist you, guide
    you and support you in every step of the way
    to success. The team would even help you build
    up your own downlines. That's what we call
    TEAM work.

    If you want to have more information about this
    business opportunity, just get a FREE membership
    ID by sending an email to juliuz@univsoft.com
    with the subject "REGISTER ME FOR FREE" and put
    your Firstname, Lastname and Country in the body of your email. Also include
    the following statement:

    "By submitting a request for a FREE DHS Club
    Membership I agree to accept email from the
    DHS Club for both their consumer and business
    opportunities."

    As a Free member you can enjoy lots of benefits
    and even start earning.
    It has NO COST, NO RISK, NO OBLIGATION, No
    COMMITMENT, and you can cancel your membership
    anytime you want.

    You have nothing to loose and definitely a lot
    to gain.

    Test drive our program and we will show you how
    to do the business. We even build up downlines
    for you. You can watch your downline grow and
    have the opportunity to earn from them.

    JOIN FOR FREE! LEARN and EARN!


    Sincerely yours,
    Julio Magallanes


    Removal Instruction:

    Send email to juliuz@univsoft.com with the subject
    "Remove Me" if you wish to be remove from my
    mailing list and to no longer receive emails from me.

    Or just don't reply in this mail and your email
    address will be deactivated in our list.

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    They have a homepage right here - and again, this is only being sent to an address used in the same manner as before.

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