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    Affiliate Manager emphimy's Avatar
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    If i purchase targeted email adresses and send them advertising mail... It can be spam?

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    I wouldn't go that route. You mention targeted but didn't mention opt in so it can be considered spam. Who knows where the people selling these email addresses got them from, not worth the risk in my opinion.

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    yes.

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    Yes. Even when the person actually has agreed to receive ad mails from whoever is selling the list, chances are that some people will forget that they agreed--and report you as a spammer.

    The only safe way (and even this isn't 100% safe) that I've heard of, is to collect the names yourself, like from your own opt-in newsletter.

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    hmmm ok thanks for your help

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    Yup, it is SPAM. Please don't do it

    Many believe there are no clean lists that one can purchase.

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    Buy-online is correct as many of my website clients can testify. No list broker is clean and the entire e-mail marketing arena is funnels directly into the open sewer of spamm.

    Spam E-Mail Is Reaching Most Children, Study Says
    Mon June 9, 2003 08:51 AM ET
    SEATTLE (Reuters) - Four out of every five children receive inappropriate spam e-mail touting get-rich-quick schemes, loan programs and pornographic materials, according to a study released on Monday by Internet security provider Symantec Corp. SYMC.O
    A majority of 1,000 children ages 7 to 18 interviewed for the survey said they felt "uncomfortable and offended when seeing improper e-mail content."

    "Parents need to educate their children about the dangers of spam and how they can avoid being exposed to offensive content or becoming innocent victims of online fraud," said Steve Cullen, Symantec's senior vice president for consumer products.

    One in five children opened and read spam, the study found, and more than half of the them checked e-mail without parental oversight.

    Among the other findings in the survey:

    -- 80 percent of the respondents said they are bombarded by sweepstakes messages.

    -- 62 percent received spam touting dating services.

    -- 47 percent received e-mails with links to pornographic Web sites.

    -- 34 percent have felt uncomfortable receiving spam.

    Symantec commissioned Applied Research, a market research firm, to conduct the study.

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    Our opt-in newsletter has been successful and has not generated complaints. I would stay away from purchasing lists.

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    There is a saying that I believe in...if you have to purchase it, then it isn't opt-in.

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    If it looks like

    It probably is

    I wouldn't take the chance, people frequently forget that they've "opted in" to get E-mail offers. And when they do forget, it makes you look bad, not the company selling their name.

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    THmedia ...I'm in your camp. The only e-mails,since 1997, I send out from my sites the receivers have to pay 25.00 annually to get them. Now is that opt-in or what?? I also get 100% renewals as I never send them anything there the content links have no real value.

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    Instead of buying lists youre better off buying ad space in a highly targetted ezine that is opt/double opt in. It will convert better than spam (when will people learn).

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    Well even the Feds think spammers are deserving of a criminal status.

    FTC Seeks More Authority to Fight Spam
    Wed June 11, 2003 02:52 PM ET
    By Peter Kaplan and Andy Sullivan
    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Trade Commission asked Congress on Wednesday for additional authority to fight the unwanted Internet "spam" that now accounts for up to half of all e-mail traffic.

    In testimony before the House of Representatives consumer protection subcommittee, FTC commissioners said they need the ability to secretly investigate those who send deceptive e-mail and more leeway to go after spammers who send their messages across international borders.

    Though several anti-spam bills have been introduced in Congress, the request seemed to catch lawmakers off guard. House Commerce Committee Chairman Billy Tauzin, a Louisiana Republican, said he was "surprised" by the FTC's proposal but was willing to "refine and improve" an anti-spam bill he had developed.

    FTC commissioner Orson Swindle told the lawmakers that spam "has become the weapon of choice for those engaged in fraud and deception" and is "about to kill the killer (application) of the Internet, specifically consumer use of e-mail and e-commerce."

    "Dealing with the emotional reaction of spam by millions of users requires our immediate attention before it gets out of hand," Swindle said.

    E-mail marketers should be required to describe their products honestly and honor consumer requests to be taken off their contact lists, the commissioners said, while criminal penalties should be explored for those who falsify their return addresses.

    The proposals "would provide more effective investigative and enforcement tools and would enhance the FTC's continuing law enforcement efforts," the five commissioners said in a joint statement.

    Unsolicited, unwanted e-mail has skyrocketed in volume over the past several years, flooding users' in-boxes and costing businesses billions of dollars in wasted bandwidth. Internet providers and filtering companies say spam now makes up between 40 percent and 80 percent of all e-mail.

    The FTC has used anti-fraud laws and a database of millions of spams to prosecute some 53 spammers over the past few years, but FTC commissioners said they need additional powers to go after the worst offenders.

    Because many spammers close up shop and hide their assets once they realize they are being targeted, FTC agents should be allowed to investigate them in secret for a limited period of time, commissioners said, or at least delay notification. FTC agents should be able to review spam complaints amassed by Internet providers and given greater latitude to go after spammers who hijack others' accounts, they said.

    The new authority to go after spam should be modeled after the laws that give the FTC jurisdiction over telemarketers, the commissioners said.

    That means requiring spammers to honestly reveal who they are and what they are selling. And a greater authority to cooperate with other countries would make it easier to track spammers and other scam artists who operate internationally, they said.

    The commissioners also are seeking changes in the law that would allow them to cooperate more closely with overseas authorities to investigate cases of cross-border fraud, many of which are carried out via e-mail.

    "Cross border fraud legislation is a necessary element to make spam legislation effective," FTC Commissioner Mozelle Thompson said.

    The FTC also said Congress should revoke an exemption in the law that restricts its authority over telecommunications firms and other "common carriers."

    Ratcheting up the anti-spamm legislation another notch is obviously a very politically correct move. The FTC sees this as a power move expanding their jurisdiction into ecommerce. So much for the DMA's move to protect their Opt-out buddies as the FTC seeks to make a name for itself by generating perp walks on MSNBC.

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    Mike:
    You and Charlie have a PM.


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    Well the big guns join their legal eagles at the hip and take on the spammers....

    Microsoft Sues to Stem Flood of E-Mail Spam
    Tue June 17, 2003 08:15 PM ET
    By Reed Stevenson
    REDMOND, Wash. (Reuters) - Microsoft Corp. MSFT.O said on Tuesday it had filed lawsuits against those it claimed were responsible for flooding its MSN Internet service with more than 2 billion unsolicited e-mail messages and vowed to step up its campaign against spam in the courts.

    The world's largest software company said it had filed 15 lawsuits in the United States and the United Kingdom against spammers that had sent unsolicited e-mail touting everything from get-rich-quick schemes to pornographic Web sites.

    The move to open a legal front in the fight against spam follows recent steps by Microsoft and other Internet industry players to work together to beef up their spam-blocking technology.

    "We recognize that spam is a global problem," Microsoft general counsel Brad Smith told reporters at a news conference at Microsoft's Redmond, Washington headquarters. "We are ramping up our efforts to combat spam around the world."

    Click here to read the whole article ..
    http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=2945425

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by emphimy:
    If i purchase targeted email adresses and send them advertising mail... It can be spam? UtOpiA StiLL uNBorN<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    there are a lot of people who immediately think that anything related to sending email is SPAM - and in most cases they are absolutely correct. Purchasing an email list will probably get you in trouble since the odds of anyone actually selling you unlimited rights to a true targeted double opt-in list are close to nill. However, paying MSN, Double-Click or AOL for an "interest based" or "geo" targeted email campaign to their optin list at a cost of at least $125.00/m is probably a pretty safe bet - and magically, you won't be accused of sPAMMING by anyone who receives your message.

    It's just like anything - there are valid ethical publishers in Direct Mail and in the email biz. More often than not - the email purveyors that advertise their wares and target the new net entrepreneur are the wolves who will eat you alive. 10,000,000 email addresses for $99 is a sure fire way to get the plug pulled on your site and your domain blacklisted within just a couple of hours of hitting the send button.

    Email, just as with direct mail can be a valid, useful and acceptable piece of your marketing plan but you will only want to have reputable publishers that can tell you "who's list it is that you are renting" And make sure that they provide full service and assume complete responsibilty including damages should an ISP shut down your domain. A publisher that can tell you this is double opt-in of the Thompson's cigar list, or Betty Crocker's list, Publisher's Clearing House, etc. is the kind of publisher that will be able to provide you with a legitimate service.

    If you can buy it outright though it's for sure

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    We use the ConstantContact service and have purchased their opt-in list for promos and never received 1 complaint. They operate very strict on new law regulations and actually take the lead in adopting even stronger criteria in their terms of "spam".

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