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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    Hey all,

    Got a deadbeat programmer in the UK that I need to get money back from (for non performance).

    The person is located at:
    Wavertree Cottage
    Catherinefield Road
    Locharbriggs
    Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway DG1 1RX
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    If anyone can refer me a good lawyer I'd appreciate it. PM me if needed.

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    I think you'll need a *Scottish* lawyer (solicitor) because Scotland has a different legal system from the rest of the UK.

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    Probably not a good start to call someone a deadbeat and post their full address

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    Well the first thing I did was a reverse lookup on the electoral register

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    Heck with hiring a UK solicitor haiko. Just get your loyal UK ABWers to picket his place wearing only Parasiteware/ABW t-shirts. Cost ya just a few pints each.

    Mike & Charlie ...

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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by midnightcoder:
    Probably not a good start to call someone a deadbeat and post their full address<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Well, I wanted an attorny in the right jurisdiction for the matter, that is why I posted the addy. I have no problem posting the name of this donkeyhole lying sack of mierda either.

    Maybe you can help me coder ? What would you do if you were retained and did ...

    My definition of a Deadbeat
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    July 8th - got contract

    July 11th - signed amended contract and made deposit made the same day. Contracted Stated:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Project estimated time from start to finish is no more than 15 working days.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    July 18th - Told 40% completed

    July 22nd - Told 65% completed

    July 27th - go onto msn for update, mind you this is already past the due date! The programmer asks for more money, I request screenshot he says he'll send it.

    Aug 6th - Still no screen shot

    August 7th - Screenshot ... I get a basic html form box page screenshot, not even close to anything I had requested.

    August 10th I say crap the full blown project just give me the simple part he says ok.

    August 12th Promises to give me work by 17th

    August 16th hems and haws, nothing done and more excuses

    August 18th asks for more resources

    August 19th says he's testing, won't realease till tested

    August 19th He claims server problems - mail not comming or going

    August 24th - Say cut the crap send me back my money.

    August 25th he says he sent it on the 21st and will not resend it.


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    Wow, this guy sounds like a real winner.

    Hope you can get your money back Haiko.

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    Mail from the UK to the US takes around a week. Wire transfer 2-4 days.

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    After Google picked up my address on your site, I must advise you on privacy laws in the UK, you cannot disclose a persons address. I am now filing legal papers for disclosure of personal information, invasion of privacy and slander. I think you should have found a Scottish lawyers before going public after you have clicked and downloaded the source and final code from my website (Outlook express information will be posted on your site to from my web logs). I have also emailed InterNIC regarding abuse of domain name via public slander and will endure to have ABestWeb.com removed from public DNS servers.

    I do not know why you posted my full address on the web, but if you continue to do this and that board is still there in 12 hours, I will have US attorneys appointed to conduct a lawsuit on behalf of Scottish Law.

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    Don't want to get involved in whatever issues are between you and Haiko, but I thought you might like to know that ubb.x URLs aren't spiderable by Google and that this page isn't in Google.

    You are going to look pretty foolish if you tell your lawyers that your address is in Google when this search says differently :
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...=Google+Search

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    Yes that search does not work, but many others do !

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    I tried a few, actually, but none of them came up with anything. Not to knock this thread off topic but I am interested in the idea that ubb.x URLs can get into Google, as I'm 99.9% certain they can't.

    Can you post the search that brings up your address, please.

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    It's only slander if it isn't true.

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    I'm sure he's not one of my distant relatives. Makes one very hesitent to ever employ a foreigner to do programming.

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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    Hello Malcolm!

    If you read my post above...
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Well, I wanted an attorney in the right jurisdiction for the matter, that is why I posted the addy.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You would see why I posted your addy, obviously I needed a Scottish solicitor and not a UK one, that is why I asked, silly boy!

    Obviously, your claims of being spidered by google is yet another untruth, one of many you have given me ... see time above.

    Please have your attorney contact me, I need a good laugh:

    Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    C/O dp internet services, LLC.
    182-53 80th Drive
    Jamaica Estates, NY 11432 USA
    T 718 591-4751
    F 718 228-4572

    I will make a few banners to try to steer ABW members away from you and your firm, netologies.

    I was overly patient and even gave your lying @ss an easy out ... what do you do? Claim more lies when you could have just returned my money?

    OK lets go! Let's see who wins! A lying POS or me!

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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heyder:
    It's only slander if it isn't true.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    But I, unfortunately, have all the emails and contract ... it's a nightmare ... I gave the @sswipe an easy out and still am at a loss at the sheer stupidity of this person.

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    Malcolm, I strongly suggest you simply refund 100% of the deposit to put this to rest!

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    Malcolm,

    If Haiko could get stuff showing in google on non spiderable pages within 48 hours, he would be retired right now. You show your ignorance.

    Might as well get those lawyers after google also, because you say your address showed there so they would be in violation of these so called privacy laws also. Not to mention all those yellow pages websites....

    Ray gives very good advice...you should heed it.

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    Does anyone else smell a rat?

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    First of all it is libel not slander. Slander is spoken, libel written word. But not if true and in the context of a forum hard to prove. If the address is related to a biz it is public info.

    The US court will not enforce foreign law, this guy isn't going to hire a US lawyer.
    It would need to be a Federal suit min retainer $10,000. If he can't pay you back where is he getting the $$$ to pay a lawyer.

    This guy ain't worth it! if you went to the trouble of suing him over there and won, how can you collect a judgement. It would cost you $$ putting good money after bad unless you're talking over 10,000 in your loss.

    Learn to protect yourself better in the future, and more so dealing outside the US.

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    Henry, you should start giving legal advice to Bob Novak, I think he could *used* your advice.

    Jurisdiction is with the US anyway, but my 2 cents worth is that to find out the *name* from the *address* you'd have to know how to do a lookup on the electoral register, and then match the names against a business name. Incidentally, I didn't manage to match the address with a business or even definitively with a single individual..

    ..however, just "Dumfries and Galloway" would have been enough information to find a relevant lawyer (which no-one has done).

    Better still.. why not sort out the problem without using lawyers at all. If there's one thing for certain, the only winners in this type of thing are the legal profession.

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    I agree Dynamoo, the lawyers are the only true winners under this type of circumstance and is a shame when a project goes array as this one has.

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    Since no specific recommendations have been posted, maybe this will help http://www.lawscot.org.uk/

    You can search by location and area of law for solicitors registered with the Law Society of Scotland. Looks like the equivalent of the ABA.

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    Any updates on this Haiko?

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