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    I think the quote "With this, there's some measure of permission," is revealing.

    The way they do it is miles away from anything that could be considered "informed consent."

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    The most honorable scumlord Gator shows that a crook nor a Zebra can change their strips. Drive by POPUPs and festering nests to exitfuel popups...Porn webmasters teach them all.

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    "Consumers want control of their PCs," Gator President Jeff McFadden said in a statement. "They're confused as to who is responsible for displaying these high volumes of uninvited pop-ups and pop-unders, and they are becoming frustrated. This is hurting ad responsiveness and is giving a black eye to the online advertising industry."
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    Oh my God. I have heard it all now.

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    That was my favorite part too:
    "Consumers want control of their PCs," Gator President Jeff McFadden said in a statement. "They're confused as to who is responsible for displaying these high volumes of uninvited pop-ups and pop-unders, and they are becoming frustrated. This is hurting ad responsiveness and is giving a black eye to the online advertising industry."

    Now off the record let's install that "drive by download" banner on as many sites as possible and start loading in that script for auto install into our next HTML rich media e-mail spamm campaign. If they don't know where they got the infection they'll just uninstall the Gator form app and their asses won't ever know what we have buried under it. Our studies show they'll just assume Ad popups are a fact of life on the net. Now turn our lawyers loose on the Adaware lawsuit for restraint of trade and a injunction.

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    Gator gave up showing real ads and is now running the download security warning as their ad, but you have to give gator credit for cutting out the middle-man (the actual advertisement)

    I'm not sure what the next step is, but I'm sure gator will figure some way to do pop-ups telepathically! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Haiko;
    My guess is whatever the porn industry does will dictate their next move. The drive by downlaods came from porn scripters who auto install those 900# or tolled 800# dialers adding charges to your phone bill. Hiding them in a slew of popups helps with load time. Gator auto downlaod will hide within any popup farm so the wanks at exitfuel and the others will jump on the Gator train for second tier publishers.

    Next comes those rich HTML e-mail spamms hiding the install of the "backdoor" download update program. These will go into even greeting card sites who install when reading a card. Ethics be damned as Gator takes on a War to win share from the other scumlords and parasites. That comes from the Gator Mktg guy saying they had to overcome "critical mass". Translated ..they have to figure out how to get more Gator trojans stuffed down web surfers throats who have figured out how to uninstall the old Adware/spyware apps.

    [ 04-10-2002: Message edited by: EcomCity.com ]

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    Mike,

    Porn does control a lot of the sheet, but not Gator as much, Thank God!

    I think the base problem is with affiliate marketing in general. I know that you have done and said many things for our industry and I commend you for it, you are truly more caring then most others!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think that Gator arose with a good business model and got dirty (I mean rolling in the sheet!) The reason why they are so "successful" into misleading the consumer into downloading the program is because of greenness and the reason why an affiliate would sell out to exitfuel and the other sh*t exit programs is because affiliates have no REAL knowledge on how to sell nor presell, once again greenness, or lack therof!

    Look at Amazing -Bargains ... affiliates are still sending traffic to him for $0.05! (idiotic no?)

    Haiko

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    At least in this instance, they are asking if you want to download. I recall visiting a site one time, and a download started on it's own. It was started by a pop-up advertising banner for 'Movie Networks'. I never clicked on the banner, nor did I click the x button to close it. Shortly after, I noticed a download had started...by the time I realized what was going on, the download was finished. After researching it, the program was a Movie Networks Viewer. If you open the viewer, it will disconnect your internet connection and dial a new number, at something like a $40...just by it dialing the number. It didn't appear that Movie Networks was distributing porn, just regular movies. I contacted Movie Networks about their tactics. Their response was that they hired a marketing company, and it was a problem I would have to take up with the marketing company. They would not provide the name of the company to me. Also, the uninstall was buggy and wouldn't work. I used another program to remove it. All from just a pop-up advertisement that required no action on my part.

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    I know at lot of you guys made and still make money on FREEBEEs. Monitizing something FREE requires the "enticer" company has to crawl in bed with the spam farming list guys -Ad brokers and parasites. Gator offered a nice FREE program without the hooks and I even used it and placed them on my site as an affiliate. Then they not only disrespected me but all users with the Adware and spyware backdoor crap. No ethics within that company ..just greed.

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    Haiko;
    The efforts of these Adwarez automation folks reminds me of a drug lords turf battle. In their quest to wrestle control your computer to bombard you with Ads they will eventually kill your system with competing trojan horses competing for access to that backdoor. Ever gawk at competing whores and their pimps viaing for prime street corner space? Even Gates wanted in on this as the biggest pimp of them all. It does all boil down to laziness and greed.

    Sure would be nice if we could bypass their hijacking efforts by having only the top merchant converting landing pages and forego general links.

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    Mike,

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    The efforts of these Adwarez automation folks reminds me of a drug lords turf battle


    It is, I know you saw that article that explained the Kazza Denial of Service attack on Morpheus the other day.

    Sooner than later with all this sheet on our puters they'll most likely crash them. Between save now and adacom I'm going nuts and see a major slow down in my computer's performance.

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    Sure would be nice if we could bypass their hijacking efforts by having only the top merchant converting landing pages and forego general links.



    Unfortunately that would do it either [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] the Parasites scan the sites for the words in the contextual database and will still probably send a pop up.

    Haiko

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