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    For those in the know, check out this one....

    http://www.netnetrewards.com/nonmembers/index.cfm

    I don't have the time to research it right now

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    Another incentive BHO Adwhore operation just like eBates, MyPoints, IGive, CyberRebates, Upromise.... The stench of the DMA/IAB cancer riddle bodies rises up from the bowels of the affiliate network industry.

    4.00% AutoAnything
    3.50% AutoBarn
    1.75% Bike Bandit
    3.50% DriveWerks
    4.00% JC Whitney
    2.00% Motorcycle SuperStore
    5.00% PartsAmercia.com
    5.00% Parts-World.com



    4.00% Avon
    2.50% Beauty.com
    4.00% DermaDoctor
    4.00% FragranceNet
    4.00% GreatSkin.com
    5.00% Perfumania.com
    4.50% Perfume Worldwide
    5.00% Perfumes America
    5.00% Small Flower




    10.00% 2BlockHeads.com
    3.50% AllAboardToys.com
    5.00% babystyle
    10.00% CrazyApe
    3.75% CrossToy.com
    4.00% Everything Elementry
    5.00% HearthSong
    2.50% KB Toys
    5.00% Magic Cabin
    4.00% Nursery Depot
    1.00% Rooms To Go Kids
    2.50% Scholastic Store
    4.00% The Baby Outlet
    4.00% WebClothes.com




    5.00% American Apparel
    3.00% Avenue.com
    5.00% BigDogs.com
    4.75% Blair
    1.50% Buy.com
    4.00% Carabella
    5.00% Champion
    10.00% Classic Closeouts
    1.50% CompUSA
    2.50% Cutter & Buck
    1.50% Domestications
    3.00% Eddie Bauer Outlet
    3.50% eLUXURY
    2.00% Fashion Bug
    6.00% Forzieri
    2.50% Hot Topic
    2.50% Inner Self
    3.00% International Male
    2.50% Just My Size
    2.50% King Size Direct
    3.00% Lillian Vernon
    2.00% Macy's
    2.50% Madison Avenue Mall
    2.50% Martha Stewart
    1.00% Office Depot
    2.00% Office Max
    4.00% Plow & Hearth
    3.00% PromGirl
    1.00% Rooms To Go
    3.50% Sears Room for Kids
    3.50% Sears Showplace
    7.75% Shoe Mall
    5.00% Sierra Trading Post
    2.50% Spiegel
    2.50% Steve Madden
    2.50% Target
    1.50% Tech Depot
    2.50% The Buckle, Inc.
    6.00% T-Shirt King
    5.00% Ulla Popken
    4.00% Under Gear
    2.50% Wal-Mart
    2.50% WildTies.com
    2.50% Wilsons Leather




    5.00% DrugStore.com
    3.75% eVitamins
    5.00% House of Nutrition
    6.00% PetCareRx
    5.00% Serenity Health
    5.00% VitaCoast
    10.00% VitaminLab




    5.00% A&E
    2.50% Collectors' Choice Music
    2.50% Critics' Choice Video
    10.00% Doodyville
    5.00% Hollywood Mega Store
    15.00% Magazines of America
    5.00% Sony Music Direct
    2.00% Tower Records




    3.50% Almond Plaza
    5.00% Chocolate Source
    5.00% Coffee For Less
    3.00% David's Cookies
    3.50% Figis
    3.00% Hale Indian River Groves
    3.50% Hickory Farms
    4.00% iGourmet.com
    4.00% Mrs. Beasley's
    2.50% Mrs. Fields
    5.00% Nirvana Chocolates
    3.50% Omaha Steaks
    3.50% Pfaelzer Brothers
    5.00% PrimeWine
    4.00% SeaBear Smokehouse
    5.00% Signature Wines
    3.00% Tabasco.com
    3.50% The Candy Store
    4.00% The Popcorn Facotry
    3.00% Wine.com




    15.00% All-Ink.com
    7.50% Art Gazebo
    10.00% Astrology.com
    6.00% Collectibles Today
    2.50% Collections Etc.
    10.00% Colorful Images
    3.50% Deal.com
    3.00% Franklin Mint
    5.50% FuntoCollect.com
    6.00% Gift Tree
    5.00% Gifts for Professionals
    6.00% GreatBuyUSA
    3.50% H & R Block
    5.00% HomeCenter.com
    10.00% iVillage
    1.75% JustDeals.com
    5.00% Leather Genie
    3.50% Motorola
    5.00% NewBargains.com
    7.50% NurtiSystem
    1.50% Overstock.com
    4.00% Personal Creations
    3.00% Things Remembered
    4.00% TicketSellers.com
    3.50% TicketsNow
    7.50% TimeLife.com
    5.00% Uncommon Goods
    5.00% US Search.com
    7.50% Wall Street Journal
    5.00% WickedCoolStuff.com




    7.50% 1 Stop Florists
    9.00% 123Posters.com
    6.00% 1-800-PetMeds
    2.50% A1 Books
    10.00% A1 Wireless
    9.00% AAA Balloons
    7.50% AAA Fruit Baskets
    4.00% All Wine Baskets
    3.50% Allpets
    5.00% Animal Den
    5.00% Barbecues.com
    4.00% Bare Necessities
    4.00% BathRobesOnline.com
    3.50% Batteries.com
    5.00% Bead Room
    10.00% BestArt.com
    6.00% Beverage Bistro
    2.50% Blinds.com
    7.50% BodyJewelry.com
    3.50% Boot Barn
    1.50% Bose
    2.50% Brigade Quartermasters
    3.00% BuyCostumes.com
    3.50% Camping World
    7.50% Candle Bay
    7.50% Candlemart.com
    7.50% Cell Phone Shop
    3.50% Cooking.com
    3.00% Dishes, Decor, & More
    7.50% Dog's Health
    4.00% DogToys.com
    4.00% Dutch Gardens
    4.50% eBags
    5.00% Entirely Pets
    7.50% eSticker
    10.00% ExoticGardens.com
    9.50% Florist.com
    10.00% FlowerDelivery.com
    7.50% Flowers Fast
    5.00% Foot.com
    5.00% FootSmart
    2.50% FramesDirect.com
    3.00% FTD
    2.00% Fujitsu PC
    2.50% Furniture Online
    5.00% Gallery Collection
    4.00% Gardener's Supply Company
    7.50% Gardens Alive
    5.00% GiftBaskets.com
    5.00% Grandma Bowser
    5.00% GreekGear
    6.00% Hallmark
    3.50% Hilo Hattie
    7.50% Illuminations
    17.50% Ink Blvd
    4.00% JewelryWeb.com
    9.00% JustFlowers.com
    2.50% Keg Works
    4.00% Landscape USA
    2.50% Lighting Showplace
    7.50% Limoges Jewelry
    5.50% LinenPlace.com
    2.50% Linens n' Things
    4.00% Luggage Online
    5.00% Luggage Source
    15.00% Magazania.com
    5.00% Modern Rugs
    27.50% Mr Ink Man
    2.50% OfficeFurniture.com
    2.50% OneHanesPlace
    5.00% Palm Beach Jewelry
    1.50% PC Connection
    4.00% Pet Food Direct
    5.00% PetCareCentral.com
    2.50% PetCo
    10.50% PostersNow.com
    10.00% Roses.com
    6.00% Rugman
    4.00% RugsUSA
    2.50% Samsonite
    5.00% Sharper Image
    8.50% ShoeBuy.com
    7.50% ShoeMall.com
    4.00% Shoes.com
    7.50% Spring Hill Nursery
    4.00% StoneWall Kitchen
    3.50% Swiss Army Central
    2.00% Tech BlowOut
    2.50% TextBookX.com
    3.50% The Grill Store & More
    2.50% Tool King
    1.50% Toshiba
    3.50% UnitedShades.com
    5.00% Upper Deck
    1.50% Viking Office Products
    4.00% Vision Direct
    3.50% WatchZone
    6.00% WebUndies




    4.00% Activa Sports
    3.50% BoardTactics.com
    5.00% Fan's Edge
    4.00% Gig A Golf
    4.00% International Jock
    2.50% Nashbar.com
    3.50% Online Skate House
    5.00% Online Sports
    2.50% Performance Bike
    5.00% Pro Sports Memorabilia
    2.50% REI-Outlet
    4.00% Road Runner Sports
    5.00% Rocky Mountain Trial
    3.50% Ski and Snowboard House
    5.00% Soccer Vault
    3.75% Sportsmans Guide
    6.00% SportStation.com
    5.00% StarStruck / Proteam
    2.50% SuperGo Bike Shops
    2.50% The Golf Warehouse
    7.50% Wickers Sportswear


    7.50% CruiseDirect
    2.50% Fox Rent-a-Car
    2.50% HotelDiscounts.net
    1.00% HotWire.com
    3.50% Maps.com
    2.50% Park Inns
    2.50% Radisson Hotels


    Folks like Stephen Messer- CJ's Todd and the hallowed boardroom members of ValueClick and DoubleClick spiff all their prized 2nd party AM firm operators to jump on these commission hijackers. What the heck do they care about double-dipping and driving sales via forced clicks and non-commissionable cookie setting activities.

    You'd think the one outfit on the list who doesn't need their crappy incent driven sales would be OVERSTOCK. The rest are run by folks who rummage garbage cans for lists of the Super-Duper tricksters who'd rape their clients pocketbooks. Same damn AM's who don't pay on time and spend all their time recruiting and smoozing the professional spammers (e-mail -SE and PPCSE and Browser spammers)

    What really frosts my butt is these merchants often give the damn incnet group members more commission % then they give their value added domain bound affiliates. You can bet Mr Inkman (27.5%) and others spiff NetNet Rewards management equal amounts.
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

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    EcomCity,

    As one of the AM's who "rummage garbage cans for lists of the Super-Duper tricksters who'd rape their clients pocketbooks", I'd like to get a better understanding as to why this program is so evil.

    I personally signed up for this program and nowhere did they ask me to download their software to "keep track of my rewards". Am I missing something here but if there's no download, how are you labelling them a BHO?

    Your insights would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

    Matt Kennedy
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    This is a branded site provided by MediaNet Group, who do several different branded products like the rewards, portals, etc. I've yet to find any type of software for them or anything in their TOS or privacy policy to indicate they may have software. Doesn't mean there couldn't be something attached with some of MediaNet's other products, but I've just not seen any indications that is the case so far.

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    Thanks, Kellie,

    That's what I was seeing too. I just wanted to see if ABW knew something that I didn't.

    Thanks.

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    Welcome Matt to ABW. This community isn't given the real scoop, by AM's like yourself, as to how these reward/points/rebate loyality shopping IAB/DMA effect our referral business. Of course after 3 straight years finding out these groups have been allowed to steal hundreds of millions of dollars from our pockets makes us paranoid.

    How is it possible with 16,000 of us posting here to not have heard of NetNet Rewards and their MediaNet Group parent? How is it possible with millions of page views at ABW and thousands of posts, regarding "incent" operators turning to the darkside of theftware, have we never run into a legit reward/point/rebate loyality club. Last non-software operator in this Adwhore section of affiliate industry were the criminals behind CyberRebates running a Ponzi Scheme in full view and support of the networks.

    So you Matt are both the merchant AM (Footsmart) donating an extra 5% spiff to NetNet Rewards, and a member of their loyality club. So you can signup as a ShoeBuy.com affiliate and get an 8.5% rebate on purchases you make there ....plus the normal ShoeBuy 16%affiliate commission. You, and every other, member can team up and buy the better shoe brands at ShoeBuy low prices with a whopping further 24.5% discount on every darn order.

    Now entering into the frey is TopMoxie BHO apps like eBates, Rogue BHO's point of sale attack dogs like Gator -WhenU -180Solutions etc etc... They also signup with NetNet Rewards to gang rape the pocketbook of ShoeBuy forcing them out of business. Then go contextually target the next keyword victim.

    So let's look at where this HIDDEN Super/DUPER operation is headed. They already have special network embedded cookie tracking in place to make their network reports reflect splitting out "incented" sales reporting. How does your purchase Matt at ShoeBuy, or the other listed Shoe merchants including your company, show up in your member area of NetNet Rewards? What does a merchant have to do special to participate to tag sales as member incented right down to intercepting and sharing identity theft, credit card and financial info to some third party not covered by Banking Industry fudicary laws.

    My bet is this operation will purchase the common BHO core application from some 3rd world cash drop box address and launch the alert popup and forced cookie setting. I see the former CyberRebate sheister membership jumping into this with their cookie cutter "incent" affiliate sites and using e-mail and SE spamming tricks to dupe shoppers into partner downloads. Why do you think this is a legit part of the Adwhore circle jerk plotting ways to "incent" the dumb and dumber merchants out of profits per/sale???? They will have a download as their greed driven management wolves will follow the sheep herd.
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    Mike,

    I wish the crap you spew would be followed up with some proof of ANY sort. I have no idea who this affiliate is, but your stark generalizations of any incent site with or without a BHO is pathetic.

    PROOF!!! Generate some.

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    I understand your concern. But let me clear up a few things up.

    1) These merchants are not paying EXTRA for these relationships the 5% paid to the consumer comes out of MediaNet's commissions. In our case, we pay MediaNet 12%, they then pay 5% of that to the consumer. We do not treat these transactions any differently than we would if they came from a domain-bound affiliate.

    2) While there have been several bad practices in the past with some of these loyalty sites, I'm not willing to condemn the entire space. However, if MediaNet decides to tread down the less-than-honest path in the future, I can guarantee that they will be immediately removed from this program - and I would venture a guess from many other programs as well.

    3) I signed up as a member of NetNetRewards to verify that NO DOWNLOAD was necessary. I try to do that with most if not all "incentive/loyalty" programs to verify the authenticity of the program itself. Only once I was satisfied with the details of the program and that a download was not part of it did I allow them into our program.

    You may be right. Maybe this site will turn into the next BHO out there. But, as an AM, should I preclude them from joining our program because they MIGHT follow that path? The same could be said for any affiliate out there. Every affiliate has the opportunity to stuff cookies and force clicks. So should I, as an AM, drop every one?

    I'm willing to give a publisher the benefit of the doubt until such time that I witness shady activity, especially when it appears (on the surface) that this publisher is trying to take a different tact than its predecessors.

    As an AM, my job is to increase the revenue coming in through the affiliate marketing channel. That means I have to work with my current affiliates to drive more business and find new affiliates who I think show potential in driving additional business (without sacrificing my existing affiliates).

    Some times I succeed and other times I fail when adding new affiliates. But, as I said before, I'm not willing to condemn someone for what they MIGHT do in the future.

    Matt Kennedy

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    The biggest thing that p155es me off here is the fact that they spammed me from whois records

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    LOL...Jaloppy wants proof. Go Google you your proof about the "incent" perps amongst us. ABW has thousands of post proving as a group the "incenters" of all flavors are NETorious corrupt in ethics and playing every forced cookie trick OUTED here at ABW. Name one outfit or website exposed here that wasn't a "incent" oriented site? I lump them all in as the "Tricks for Clicks" crowd with the exceptions very prominently posting only on this board. Even they have their hands full of thieving coniving competitors in that crowded space.
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    Mike,

    The fact of the matter is spewing rash generalizations gets you and the board no where. Exposing such individuals with rock solid proof is another thing. That takes time and effort, even when we are not supported by the networks. (and honestly, even when we are...).

    The point I am making is you are a fool if you think your contribution is helpful to the community without providing ANY proof. Rash generalizations only bring down your credibility. If you have not learned anything in the last few weeks, your time here is limited, and I think you know that. You have some good insights, but you are using a tank to swat at a fly.

    Like I said, provide the proof and your level of respect will be demanded, not given.

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    BTW, do your own research and stop asking others to do your work for you.

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    Good post Jaloppy, Thank you.
    Continued Success,

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    I assume Haiko has some insight to share why 3 years of posts here haven't put a dent in the evils perpetuated on us all by the "incent" group. He's going to reveal the real evil group of tricksters whacking domain bound affiliates diluting their chances of survival. This revelation will lead to putting meaning back into cookie days, prompt payments, individual product links, PSC mini-showcases, high conversion landing pages and truthful SERPs and PPCSE campaigns.

    No longer will Poon, Ms.B or Ben have to scrounge through the "incent" sites for the same ol' same olé' cookie stuffing tricks. Haiko will bring back the good old days when ABW showcase merchants competed on published network wide conversion ratios and had meaningful contests to entice even new affiliates to build out shopper relevant pages deserving of a permanent SERP spot.

    Maybe he should put up some ABW showcase "incent" type site URLs to boost their PR and commission bonus value to merchant AM's. After all 90% of all network commissions are paid out to "incent" coupon/deal/reward sites when you count in the Dupers and BHO's. Incenters need some serious role models like Flamingo World to emulate.
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    3 years of talking + 0 years of doing = No Progress.

    Get off the pot.

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    quote:
    Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    I assume Haiko has some insight to share why 3 years of posts here haven't put a dent in the evils perpetuated on us all by the "incent" group.


    Simply because the networks make too much money from it. At first they risked and then before they knew it, they were in up to their necks with it. Now, they can't afford to drop XY or Z because the competition would love that space for their merchants.
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    quote:
    1) These merchants are not paying EXTRA for these relationships the 5% paid to the consumer comes out of MediaNet's commissions. In our case, we pay MediaNet 12%, they then pay 5% of that to the consumer. We do not treat these transactions any differently than we would if they came from a domain-bound affiliate.

    2) While there have been several bad practices in the past with some of these loyalty sites, I'm not willing to condemn the entire space. However, if MediaNet decides to tread down the less-than-honest path in the future, I can guarantee that they will be immediately removed from this program - and I would venture a guess from many other programs as well.


    My comments:
    Ditto. I can't speak for other AM's but I can assure you all that Rugman is not paying one cent more to this guy or any other legitimate rebate site than we do to our other affiliates. Our tiered commission structure is based on performance volume and not on business model. The 6%consumer rebate for shopping Rugman through the publisher in question, comes out of the Publisher's pocket and not ours.

    Rugman has long since taken an anti-parasitic stance against BHOs, all other forms of adware and related downloads/installers altogether. Show me the evidence that says these guys are using anything that goes against our policy on such and they're outta our program immediately. In the meantime, they remain in good standing because at Rugman.com we do all we can to maintain an even playing field amongst our Affiliates. Always.

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    Great way to state your pro-affiliate position Liz. I should make up a section in home furnishings for rugman offerings as you have a top notched site. ( assuming EcomCity would pass the smell test). The incent sites and BHO who really frost me come two points. SERP spamming with forced cookie stuffing...and payouts to members equal to or above my normal commission rate.
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