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    In light of this latest child abduction and murder, it is so important to not only watch our own children, but all children.

    about six years ago when my now teen son was eight we were heading out of the house to go visit relatives. The phone rang and so I told him to wait on the front steps for me I'd be right out. I answered the phone (cordless) and was standing about 3 ft back from our front door. the door was open and I could see my son through the screen door as I talked on the phone.

    He was waiting on the front steps with our dog. I heard him talking to someone. At first I thought it was probably the kids across the street, but I just had this strange feeling so I walked to the door and opened it. There was a man in a car who had pulled up at the curb (with the car on the wrong side of the street so the drivers side was at the curb) I asked who my son was talking to as I opened up the door and he said, "oh that guy wants to know if he can pet the dog", I looked at the guy and we briefly held eye contact then he floored the gas and took off down the street.

    I called the police and made a report. When asked what he said to the mans request to pet the dog.....he told him he wasn't allowed to leave the yard without my permission.

    My family had always thought I was way over protective of my son and taunted me endlessly because he was expected to be within sight/shout range or with a trusted adult.

    thank god this was the closest I ever came to experiencing the terror of having my child taken, but my heart swells for all those who lose their children every day.

    anyway, now the reason for the post. That man that I stared into his eyes in front of my house six yrs ago.....I swear if you drew glasses on the face of the drawing of the suspects face in the california case and took a few pds from his face, it would be him. I know it is probably my imagination, and I don't know if someone who would stalk little boys would also stalk girls, plus I lived in the midwest at the time and this happened in CA, but I have the ebbie jeebies every time they show his picture on tv.

    oh well, thanks everyone for letting me ramble here.....

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    That is scary. AFAIK, pedophiles are equal opportunity victimizers; so it could have been the same guy.

    Something else very scary is that during the press conference yesterday with law enforcement, the FBI profiler and the Sheriff said that this fellow is a serial pedophile rapist and they expect him to strike again in the next 24 hours .

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    Mary, I know how you feel. When my son was about 4 we had a scary incident. I was in Walmart with my sister-in-law, I turned to say something to her and looked back down to my son and he was gone.. In a split second, he was gone.

    We split up to look and I was so frantic I was screaming at the top of my lungs for him. My sister-in-law saw a man holding his hand, heading towards the door. Luckily she got to them in time. She grabbed him and the man went on out the door.

    Anyone who would hurt a child deserves no mercy.

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    Man...those stories are pretty scary. One thing that sits on my mind is the fact that the little girl in the recent abduction and murder knew what to do. They taught her how to deal with strangers, etc...it just isn't difficult for a grown man to overpower a child.

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    I used to have my dog stolen on a regular basis. I didn't like tying him up outside of places either as he was big and black with pointy ears and every passing nutter would think he was the Devil in canine form and start kicking him. He had to be able to escape that kind of abuse when neccessary.

    I got a bleeper thingy and hung it off his collar. I kept the other unit. Whenever he got more than 30ft from me it would go off. That worked.


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    Thank goodness they've caught this miserable excuse for a human being. Nothing can ever replace the loss this family has suffered, but at least other children are safe (at least from him). I can't believe how accurate the sketch drawing is to how this man really looks. And from a 5 year old who I'm sure was upset at the time. I tell you, too many of our children are falling prey to these scums. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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    It is imperative that parents teach their children how to behave in today's society. I can remember my parents giving me the talk about strangers, and this was in a much different world from today.

    I often wonder how much time some parents spend with their kids today, based on how the kids are allowed to behave in public. All too often I find myself thinking, "If I'd done that when I was a kid, I would have been in so much trouble!" But, all too often the parents don't really seem to mind.

    You can only hope that the kids know what to do when approached by a stranger. Obviously, there are some that do not, and the offender isn't always a stranger. If anything at all comes from this, let's hope a few more parents spend some quality time with their kids, and make sure their kids know what to do if a stranger approaches them.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It is imperative that parents teach their children how to behave in today's society<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    That's the problem. Little girls are still taught that being nice and not fighting back is appropriate behavior. That is what makes them easy prey. If they were instead taught to protect themselves, and that it is OK to not be sweet and "nice" all the time, that it is OK to listen to their instincts and fight back, less of this would happen.

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    well, the photo of the man doesn't look nearly as similar to the guy I mentioned in my first post as that errie drawing did!

    I hope they have the sicko, if so their quick efforts may have saved more children's lives.

    I can only say that I have thanked my God thousands of times that I not only demanded to know where my child was at all times through almost rigid rules, but also instilled in him a fear of disobeying our rules. But that isn't enough to save children from any adult who is really intent on taking them.

    I have to believe that evil such as this is rewarded after death with endless pain and suffering...., as there is no adequate punishment society could humanely inflict.

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    My view on this is also the same. Is it me or do we have some sick (very sick) people in this country. This reminds me of the Polly Klaas case. This is very scary. I have took martial arts and kung fu, in case this gets out of control. I live in fear every day seeing this happen. I don't have any kids at the moment but all this sudden news is making me worried. If I ever do have a kid I will be totally over protected. and Spent hours training my kid in Taekwondo (martial arts) and Kung fu. I watch over my shoulder when I get off at midnight from work. I walk home and have to pass homeless people asking for money and I feel like I might sometime get into a fight with them. Even though to my opinion to those who have kids I would bring them to a martial arts training class so they have the power and strength to defend them in case they get attacked. Anyway That's my views on this.

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    Actually Jason, I find its useful to get to know the local homeless. I make a point of it and do my best to remember all their names. They are the eyes and ears of the neighborhood. Very useful if you are looking for someone difficult to find and they can get very observant indeed for £5 and a packet of ***s.

    Before I got the bleeper, whenever my dog got dognapped - 3 times out of 4 I was alerted by some homeless person in a nearby doorway who recognized him - and didn't recognize whoever it was had him. Not one time did the thief get more than 50 yards!


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    true.. some homless are fine. but some are not..

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    Possibly its easier for me because I look all girlie and harmless. No one ever looks at me and feels threatened unless I *want* to put out that vibe. This means I can go pretty much anywhere, especially if I mimic the surrounding body language.

    Also, it seems fairly easy for me to tell who is a bit dodgy - and it has nothing to do with outfit. You can tell by their movement, gesture and expression. Perhaps that would be another skill worth teaching to kiddies.

    One thing that struck me about what MsMary said -

    >I just had this strange feeling so I walked to the door and opened it.

    Know how often I've heard about that 'strange feeling'? Its sad how seldom people act on those feelings. She did and thats why her child is still here.

    And also, what Eaglefire said about little girls is very true. All their training is about compliance, and none of it is about how to tell some bloke to go **** himself. Every little girl needs to learn that.


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    Once upon a time when I was a little girl,
    I used to walk to the local shop after school everyday and buy my Dad the paper
    and a pkt of cigs.
    One day while standing at the crossing, a man came up to me, grabbed my arm
    and started dragging me across the road.
    I kicked out and bit him on the hand,
    he let go and I took off screaming, people in the shops came out to see what the rukus was and he took off.

    They finally caught him, but not before he murdered two other little girls.
    My bite marks on his hand were his undoing.

    I'm all for girls being taught some form of self defense and to listen to their inner voice, especially.
    I can't tell you how many times it's saved my bacon!

    Just recently we've a case where packs of up to 14 "Eastern" 'pigs' were pack raping anglo/celtic young girls here.

    I don't wan't to turn it into a racist thing, but in every case they asked what the girls nationality was, they wouldn't do it to their own!!!!
    These monsters would work it this way: One would befriend the girl, even so far as meeting the girls mum, then lure her somewhere, get on his cellphone and call up the other 'pigs' each girl endured up to 6 hours of humiliation.
    Two of them were put in jail but the other in-mates got to them and one of them is now in critical condition in hospital.
    The others are up before the courts soon.

    I'm just so angry I'm not a racist nor a violent person but it's awakened one very nasty bone in my body!

    These were 14 and 15 year old girls...
    how brave they were, even though these 'pigs' threatened them if they went to the police!
    So parents, keep your children safe,

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    Edited because it would be very easy to turn this into a racist thing.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>and the offender isn't always a stranger<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I live with my over-protectiveness and lack of ability to travel without my kids or go out late nights, because these kind of crimes scar kids for life. I left them for two nights with friends two summers ago. Luckily verbal teasing was the worst my oldest endured, but I realized that my gut feeling of never being separated from them until they're as physically strong as I am and aware of the world is worth the price.

    We were at relatives this weekend and were invited out for a late night milkshake, that the cousins should watch my kids. I couldn't do it. I don't know their teenagers well enough. I had a hard enough time sleeping in someone else's house with other kids in the same room as my kids. I was glad when their kid decided to sleep in her parents room and my kids were left sleeping alone in the room next to me and hubby.

    Call me paranoid, call me over protective, just don't call me a mother who should have seen it coming and didn't watch her kids closely enough.

    @MJ, my stomach churns at the story. I once saw a pretty horrifying Aussie movie about some gang (although also Anglo) basically taking on every young lady in a small town, and even some of the married ones. I stopped going to movies at all for awhile after that.


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Anyone who would hurt a child deserves no mercy.

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    Agreed, Vicki.

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    The reality of it all is these chhild preditors and all rapists can never ever be cured. If you cut their balls off and fed them zombie medication daily ..the moment they miss a few days they're back at it again. The silly liberal tree hugging mom's and dad's who advocate human rights and parole for molesters and rapists just don't get it. These monsters only get worse with age and never respond to therapy ...therefore they need to get executed the moment they are convicted to rid them from the human gene pool. Stupid logic wanting to publish their last known addresses once released back into the population.

    Everyone of them repeats their "power trip" crimes and improve their skills at not getting caught. I liked the way Charles Bronson handle the subject in his vigilante movies ...exterminate them on site with expreme prejudice. In this guy's case I think the penal system in Ca. will handle it very well and cheaply. Just put him in with the the other inmates and the Mexican Mofia or Arien Brotherhood will have him offed within 48 hr's or landing in a prison like Pelican Island.

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    Theres a bit of a problem in the UK at the moment. I call it the Sex Pests Charter.

    What the government are planning is that anyone who has ever been in court for anything can have this mentioned, to their detriment, whenever they are in court again.

    Which is a problem.

    What happens is this. I walk down the street to go to the shop. Some drunken idiot grabs me. I thump him. Hard.

    So far so good.

    Next some policemen arrive. I look just fine. Arseholeface looks a bit the worse for wear and is now bewailing his bad luck at having picked on the wrong woman.

    As he's 1) the only one injured 2) a man, when he starts complaining that he 'hasn't done nothing' - he gets believed. I don't.

    Every time this has happened some idiot policeman says 'why didn't you just scream for help?'. Well 1) it never works and 2) I can only do one thing at once.

    And, as Every Policeman Knows, no woman in her Right Mind would dare hit a man! So I must be crazy. So I'm the one who gets charged.

    Up till know, this has been just fine. The prosecutor is usually a bit brighter than the arresting officer so the prosecution decides to offer no evidence. But sometimes it actually goes to court.

    Judges and juries are a *lot* smarter than police officers and throw it out of court. Always.

    But what now? What is a judge to think when they find out this isn't the first pervert I've bashed? At the moment previous convictions are only mentioned after the verdict (to help with sentencing). Arrests and charges are not mentioned at all. The proposed new law means every single pervert I've bashed previously will be mentioned before the court decides whether or not I am guilty.

    I am a very very worried Icicle indeed. It looks to me like I am going to have to deliberately allow myself to be injured. There would be no point whatsoever in any UK parent teaching their little girls anything but compliance again, and teaching them self-defence is likely to get them locked up.

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