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    The brief history that was written was not brief at all. It's putting your business out to the world when you're looking for sympathy. Well, I don't believe in putting my business out in the streets, but you have asked for it.

    My daughter was asked to post on the StyleforFree's forum. It went from that to getting non affiliate stores to pay to be advertised on the site and various other jobs. I know that we did a fantastic job until the end.

    Liz found out that my daughter turned 18 in April when I emailed her letting her know that my daughter had a birthday on that particular day. Therefore, she knew that my daughter became 18 years old in April...not in November, as she said. How is one to assume what a person's age is when one does not tell their age unless it's asked. Assumption makes an a.. out of one.

    I ~helped~ my daughter to get the non affiliate stores up because she was being home schooled and had to go to a christian school for testing. As long as Liz was getting the stores and the money, I didn't see a problem with it. My daughter didn't hand all work over to me. I don't know why age of everyone that was mentioned in her letter had to be. What does the age of a person mean in this matter? I don't know how she's getting that I'm 53, but she's totally way off in that one. LOL Liz is the one that sent me my own personal email addy. My daughter sure couldn't do that.

    I didn't start demanding mucho $$$$. I emailed Liz asking why did she have us to send out letters to the non affiliate stores to sign up for the "Look of the Day" at a fee, and then turn around and put them up without them having to pay. I also mentioned that I noticed on the last payment that she sent my daughter via my PayPal account that she had decreased the pay from 40% to 30%. This was after she increased the fee for the non affiliate stores to join her site saying: "We can make more money for the year 2004". I can send those copies from my PayPal account to anyone that will like to see them. That happened to have been the straw that broke the camels back. The two weeks vacation pay did not have anything to do with the decrease in pay. I don't know how one can get sick pay when I was still doing the job while my daughter was in the hospital.

    Let me tell EVERYONE that we didn't ask for the computer. My daughter and I was out shopping for a computer when we let Liz know that we would be away from the computer while we were out shopping. She told us to go to some sites on the web and pick some that we like, and she'll be buy it. Well, she chose one and had it sent to us. We appreciated the kindness and didn't fail to let her know. We thanked her.

    Religious references were not brought up at an alarming rate, and things were getting weird fast, but it was not due to us starting it. It was due to us being provoked.

    The reason why she "let go" of us was due to the fact that I asked her about the decrease in pay. The annoyances were ones that she brought on herself. She thinks that she is our nightmare, but she is only a person that thrives on trouble. Trouble is what she feed on.

    How did Liz go to take over her domain's email addys 4 hours after sending us the let-go letter when the email addys were in our names with our passwords? That was an invasion of privacy. I had emails in there from my family. How could we get into our emails if we didn't have access to them? Liz even sent an email to my son whom had nothing to do with this. He's grown and lives in another town. Didn't I say that I don't air out my business? I don't even cry to my children with my problems. I try to face my problems to the best of my ability. At the time, my son thought that he had cancer. He had his own problems.

    The first time that I let Liz know that I was dissatisfied or I complained was about us sending the stores out emails, they had paid via PayPal, she wasn't putting them up on her site, and they kept emailing us asking why. I soon found out! She was waiting until she let us go and she wasn't going to pay us for them. That is very un-professional. I became ~very~ disgruntled (as she's said all over the web) when she emailed my son, signed my daughter up for a lot of porn, signed her up at a matchmaker site as a lesbian, and ordered her books from Nick Jr. book club, which her IP address was on the welcoming letter that was sent to us from Nick Jr. book club. This list can go on and on.

    My daughter (as everyone knows her by the 18 year old ) did go into the forums and deleted the content that she had put up. She was NOT paid for what she had posted on the forum. As I said, I can show anyone this from my PayPal account. If Liz didn't still have her on her site as a moderator, she would not have been able to have done this.

    No death threats was ever made from either one of us. The thing that Liz is trying to put us through, I went through it before. I was taught through that incident. I will never say, telephone, write, or email a death threat to anyone. I did tell Liz that I don't think that she should be raising her children because of the type of person she is. I didn't mean that I was going to harm her children. I'm not that type of person. I meant that it may be wise that they be placed in the care of their dad while she's caught up in all of this drama. She seems to like drama in her life...from not having a good relationship with her deceased mother, not being able to get along with her husband that left her 3 years ago, and an argument with her neighbor.

    When the letter arrived from the lawyer by FedEx, it was not refused by my daughter because we weren't here. It was refused by a male friend of mine. Of course...Liz knows it all.

    I did phone her dad. There we go again...18 year old daughter, 53 year old mother and her 74 year old retired dad...isn't anyone getting the picture by now? I told him everything that Liz was doing. I did say that I'm a strong believer in God, and I'll put it in His hands. I can't deny that or disown God. Her father did not disagree with me on anything that I said. He said that Liz told him that ~all~ of the affiliate stores pay her quarterly.

    I had already smelled a rat. I had the emails of all of the stores that we had gotten to sign up and Liz had not put them on the site forwarded to my own email addy. We emailed them to let them know the real reason why they had not been put up on the site. If Liz lost a client as a result of that...it was a client that we had gotten and was not paid for getting the client. She didn't lose a thing...we did. She didn't get the clients. We got the clients. That's the reason why we had their email addys.

    Liz's icon with a skull with bones stuck through it was not done by us. I don't believe in all of that mess. Her disabled (here we go again with all of these ages and descriptive words) was not IM'd by us. By the way, the sister works and has a jewelry site on the web. Her son was not IM'd by us. How in the world would we know their screen names?

    Is anyone out there listening? She said that there is a new IM software that lets one type anyone's email address in there and scan/receive/view that POP account's and that is how we got her dad's info, her clients email (which we did have ~all~ knowledge of since we got the clients for her) knew her lawyer's name (Didn't she say that he sent a letter to us?) We DO NOT have any type of software such as that. By the way, when one gives out as much info on the web as she does...anyone can get her dad's telephone number. We only had access to our email accounts. We did not get into her 100's of daily emails in our account. Does that make sense? If you hear me...holler!

    Liz didn't spend 4-6 hours each day during March putting out some kind of fire, unless it was a fire that she started.

    Liz has gone into everything that she possibly can to stalk my daughter on the internet. She said that she's hoping the dust has settled and she'll actually be able to work, but she doesn't want the dust to settle because she's stalking us everyday. There's no stopping with her. She does not need to fear for her family's safety. That's not the name of my game. We're not out to harm anyone. We just want these lies stopped. Live and let Live.

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    I'm confused...

    not sure why you posted here???

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    It's the counter-argument to this:

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    Joe,

    You're not sure why I posted here. Did you ask Liz the same question? I don't think that I asked for your 2cents. By the way, I found out about her post from our private webstats on our coupon/deal site. She must have sent someone a private message with our link, because when I clicked on the link that was referred to my site, it said something not able to have permission to view it since it was a PM.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I don't believe in putting my business out in the streets, but you have asked for it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Actually we didn't.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It was due to us being provoked. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ah yes. You didn't mean to do these things, but you were angry?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>She thinks that she is our nightmare, but she is only a person that thrives on trouble. Trouble is what she feed on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Interesting analysis. It looks like you feed on trouble too.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>My daughter (as everyone knows her by the 18 year old ) did go into the forums and deleted the content that she had put up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So an admission of guilt.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I did tell Liz that I don't think that she should be raising her children because of the type of person she is. I didn't mean that I was going to harm her children. I'm not that type of person. I meant that it may be wise that they be placed in the care of their dad while she's caught up in all of this drama. She seems to like drama in her life...from not having a good relationship with her deceased mother, not being able to get along with her husband that left her 3 years ago, and an argument with her neighbor. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And this is *what* business of yours?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I did phone her dad. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Another admission of guilt.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Liz has gone into everything that she possibly can to stalk my daughter on the internet. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And yet *you* turn up here all of a sudden. There's nothing in Liz's thread that identifies you. You must have been lurking and following her posts then, surely? So who's stalking whom?

    Well, you've had YOUR say and Liz has had HER say and I'm sure we can all make up our minds about who to believe.

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