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    Thumbs down Shame on IGive
    While Robert Grosshandler may have stated recently during his interview on WebmasterRadio that Merchants need to assess whether or not their business model can accomodate Igive's business model (specifically responding to a Merchant's question regarding the 'double dipping' issue with igive's software) and not partner with Igive if it can't, it would seem that a Merchant coming to the conclusion of not partnering with Igive doesn't necessarily free the Merchant from having their business negatively impacted by IGive or IGive's software.

    It would seem that the IGive software is targeting a select few Merchants who are not partnering with IGive. Now when IGive starts using it's software as a sword, then at least for me all arguments/justifications overall for their software and how it operates go completely out the window.

    Also while I will not post such information publicly at this time, I have more than one form of documentation which proves without doubt that the behavior reported on here is not a glitch of some sort, but rather it is intentional programming within the IGive software. If push comes to shove, I will post that documentation.

    Shame on You IGive #1

    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...92005.swf.html
    I do a direct type-in to Zappos. I get a pop up from IGive stating this Merchant is NOT part of the IGive network. I am directed to Shoes.com via IGive's affiliate link.

    Questions:
    1. Is Zappo's aware of this behavior?
    2. Is Shoes.com aware of this behavior? Did they authorize such behavior? Do they condone such behavior?
    3. Do the Networks allow such behavior or is this a TOS violation?

    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...92005.swf.html
    I do a direct type-in to Victoria's Secrets. I receive a pop up from IGive stating this store in not part of the IGive Network. I am directed to FigLeaves via IGive's affiliate link.

    Questions:
    1. Is Victoria's Secrets aware of this behavior?
    2. Is Figleaves aware of this behavior? Did they authorize such behavior? Do they condone such behavior?
    3. Do the Networks allow such behavior or is this a TOS violation?

    In general do Merchants who make the decision not to partner with IGive have to be concerned about having their own traffic, that the consumer consciously and of their own true intent to visit the Merchant's site, whisked away to competitors???

    With the historical litigation involving Merchant's suing Merchants over pop ups of their competitors on their sites and the like, are IGive Merchant Partners aware of this behavior by the IGive software? Do IGive Merchants support such behavior? Do they know for certain if the traffic being delivered to them via IGive did not originate from a competitor's site? What risk assessment do they place on this behavior?

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    Shame on You IGive #2
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html

    I do a direct type-in to Amazon. I get an IGive pop-up stating this Merchant is not part of the IGive Network. I am directed to a page on IGive giving a lengthy explanation that Amazon made the decision not to partner with IGive in April 2003. They further make a plea to their members who have arrived at this page that they can contact Amazon (giving contact info) in order to have Amazon rejoin the IGive Network. Obviously this page has not swayed Amazon in their decision, since Amazon remains not a partner.

    IGive also provides a link to Amazon if the end user still wants to shop at Amazon, but not have a portion of that sale go to their favorite charity. First off, this is completely laughable to IGive's justification of their software that members of IGive who have downloaded the software always want their purchases to reflect a donation to their favorite charity and hence those consumers become IGive's above all else. Obviously there must be times that their members make the decision for a purchase and not have a donation to their favorite charity occur. While IGive also lists competitors of Amazon's on that page who do partner with IGive, they also provide a link to Amazon.

    So IGive must recognize that many factors do play into the consumers decision to make a purchase, even when some type of incentive is put into the mix and the carrot of the incentive doesn't necessarily always win out. IGive must certainly realize this, since the links to Amazon on that page are affiliate links to a web site called awholelottabooks. The link does a server side rediret to Amazon (documentation on file). Now doing a reverse IP on IGive.com shows awholelottabooks on the same servers as IGive. See attached jpg.

    Questions:
    1. Is Amazon aware of this behavior?
    2. Is this the type of behavior IGive will engage in when a Merchant decides not to partner with them or to terminate the partnership?
    3. Is Amazon aware that IGive is targeting their traffic yet and attempting to direct it to either a competitor or a second affiliate account with Amazon? The net effect for those folks who click "I want to shop at Amazon anyway" is that IGive is getting a commission on traffic that was already at Amazon to begin with. Certainly aspect of IGive's business model might well have been part of the decision by Amazon to no longer partner with IGive?
    4. Is this the type of behavior that Merchants want from the affiliate's they 'partner' with?

    I have a few more Shame on You IGive that I will be posting tomorrow. I'm still getting all the files uploaded and it's getting late for me tonight.

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    Oops...the post wouldn't accept my attachment. http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...ooks_whois.jpg

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    Desperate marketing, by desperate merchants, requires hiring the sleeziest 3rd party popup hitmen in the advertising business. System kidnappers, browser hijackers, trojan horse/Adware/Spyware bundling, Freebee peddlers sucker punching children into infecting Mom & Pops system, are all part of the BHO game. Imagine the turmoil within a system having 10 TopMoxie applications all fighting for the popup re-direct.

    The losers are the Advertising people tasked with brand image using Gorilla Marketers when every hated popup broadcasts ...this merchant is a desperate sleezebag. Sure iGive acts out and copies all the moves of Gator/WhenU/180Solutions and all other TopMoxie apps like eBates completely turning online advertising into a Civil War Zone.

    Good work Ms. B.
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    Gosh! How people could be so brave to pop-up on merchants site when it was typed directly in to the search bar and think they will get away with it. And what were they thinking how long they can survive with redirecting the traffic from the big names like amazon, victoria's secret, zappos.

    If I remember it correctly and not mistaken I read a thread here where shoes.com announced to be parasite free.

    Great work Kellie as always!
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    Mike,

    This is about how IGive behaves intentionally towards Merchants who have chosen not to partner with them.

    Just for accuracy sake here...TopMoxie will only allow for one of their products to operate at a time on the end users computer, so there can be no battle of the browser with regards to TopMoxie applications. This has been the case for quite some time now.

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    Shame on You IGive #3
    IGive is also redirecting to their own web site on some Merchants who do not partner with them. Personally, I started seeing a bit of a pattern emerge when looking at who the Merchants are that IGive programs their software to pop on for the Merchant not in their program. I'll let others draw their own conclusions here.

    On the following videos, I was not always logged into my account with IGive when the pop occurred. In such cases the page I'm taken to is the login page. When logged in, the end user is taken to a directory page for the Merchant's vertical on the IGive site which of course lists all the competitors who are partnered with IGive. Because the video software is very memory intensive on my computer and tends to slow systems down, I did not necessarily follow through with going to IGive once the popup showed because of the large file sizes. However, there are enough videos to show the pattern and what happens. Where I was not logged into IGive, I will provide the URL on IGive that I would have been redirected to if I had been logged in. This information was obtained from files transmitted to my computer by igive.

    You will need to be patient on some of these as the popup appears to have a timer and be delayed.

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    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    ** These guys are on the Merchant List to participate in EcomXpo. I wonder how they feel about this?

    Art.com
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    ** These guys are on the Merchant List to participate in EcomXpo. I wonder how they feel about this?
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=2

    EMerchandise.com
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm

    GigaGolf.com
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=21

    Nordstroms
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...30205.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=7

    Publishers Clearing House
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=1

    Pets-Warehouse
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...05avi.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=20

    Quill.com
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=6

    RadioShack
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...52005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm

    WBShop
    http://www.affiliatefairplay.com/igi...02005.swf.html
    Redirect URL if I'd been logged in: http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=28

    Other Merchants on this 'list' (who can have be impacted the same way as above) which I did not capture videos for and the URLs for the redirect:

    800.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=5
    DrsFosterSmith.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=20
    NewLineShop http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=28
    TravelNow.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=12
    Walmart.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm
    CollectiblesToday http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=36
    Figis.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=11
    CDW.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=5
    ValleyVet.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=20
    Talbots.com http://www.iGive.com/html/mall.cfm?cat=7

    I would encourage affs to help let those Merchants impacted by this information know what is happening by directing them to this thread.

    Any Merchant with questions regarding the information posted here can contact me via PM through this forum.

    I have a couple more points to make regarding recently observed behavior of the IGive software that I will try to post later today. Monday's are a busy day for me with my other business.

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    Appauling behavior similar to the Mofia's protection racketers approach to marketing. At one time the network hype pitched that B-a-HO's had to generate a physical action by their members to allow for any click credit or re-direct. What's up with this obvious violation of the TOS, CoC and Adendium where the only way for a iGive customer to get to Amazon is through a commissionable link from the re-direct page. Does iGive do this also with other major destination shopping sites? Imagine they program their BHO app to re-direct all traffic going to the 27th most visited site on the internet -Overstock- with this same forced commission extortion play.

    If Overstock refuses to pay the exposure slotting fee does iGive and the other TopMoxie apps, like eBates, then pop or re-direct shoppers to smartbargains.com?? Obviously there is no way any legit honest merchant can operate with these BHO browser hijackers to keep them from making commissions on non-commissionable actions. Every merchant who has BHO partnerships turns their return day cookies into meaningless statistics. All BHO merchants are session only sales partners washing cookies at every pop.
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    Kellie: As always, great detective work. Are you sending this thread to the merchants in question and Igive?

    System kidnappers, browser hijackers, trojan horse/Adware/Spyware bundling, Freebee peddlers sucker punching children into infecting Mom & Pops system, are all part of the BHO game
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    Are you sending this thread to the merchants in question and Igive?
    Karl, I've not contacted any specific Merchants at this time (been busy collecting the data etc and working on some other stuff I need to get done). It would be appreciated if members here can assist with directing Merchants to this thread. I will make myself available to any Merchant who desires/wishes/needs to discuss this further with me. They can contact me via PM through the boards.

    As far as notifying Igive...they know what they are doing. But I'm sure they will hear about this thread in due course.

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    Kellie,

    Thanks for the work you've done on this. I will certainly be contacting some of my merchants.

    Deb

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    double post

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    Definitely have to call up the merchants, that's all it will take in most cases. I know Victoria's Secret, Limited Brands will act pretty swiftly.

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    Don't forget to call CJ and LinkShare CEOs and thank them to monetize all these crooks and to promote them at each symposium.

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    I just sent an email to Art.com about this with the links to this thread and more information.

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    The % donation listed below is the amount (nothing is ever deducted) that goes to your cause from these name brand stores when you shop via iGive.com.
    *Shop within 45 days of joining to qualify for a FREE $5 bonus donation!


    Store Name % Donation
    1. 00inkjets 14.4%
    2. 1-800-Flowers 3.2%
    3. 1-800-PetMeds 4.8%
    4. 123Inkjets 12.8%
    5. 3balls Golf 2.0%
    6. 4Inkjets.com 10.4%
    7. A La Zing 4.0%
    8. A&E Online Store 4.0%
    9. AAA Balloons 7.2%
    10. AAA Fruit Baskets 4.8%
    11. Aaron's Baby Baskets 4.0%
    12. Abbey Press 4.0%
    13. Abebooks.co.uk 2.0%
    14. Abebooks.com 2.0%
    15. Abt Electronics 1.2%
    16. Abundant Earth 3.2%
    17. AC Lens 4.0%
    18. Activa Sports 3.2%
    19. Adagio Teas 6.0%
    20. Adidas 6.0%
    21. Aerosoles 2.0%
    22. Africa Direct 2.4%
    23. AKA Gourmet 4.8%
    24. Alibris 2.8%
    25. alight.com 2.8%
    26. All-Ink.com 12.0%
    27. AllBusiness.com 12.0%
    28. AllHeart 2.0%
    29. AllJudaica.com 6.0%
    30. Alloy.com 2.0%
    31. Alpha Omega Publications 4.0%
    32. Altrec 2.8%
    33. Amazon.co.uk 1.5%
    34. Amazon.com (listed for your convenience) Special Rate
    35. America's Store 3.6%
    36. American Blind & Wallpaper Factory 2.0%
    37. American Blooms 9.2%
    38. American Eagle Outfitters 2.0%
    39. Ameriquest Mortgage Special Rate
    40. Ancestry.com 4.0%
    41. Ann Taylor 2.0%
    42. Ann Taylor LOFT 2.0%
    43. Apple iTunes 2.0%
    44. Apple Store 0.4%
    45. AreYouGame.com 4.0%
    46. Aromaleigh.com 4.0%
    47. Art Gazebo 8.8%
    48. Ashford.com 2.0%
    49. audible.com 6.4%
    50. Auntie's Beads 2.0%
    51. AutoAnything.com 3.2%
    52. Avalend Special Rate
    53. Avenue 3.2%
    54. Avon 3.2%
    55. Baby Universe 3.2%
    56. BabyCenter 3.2%
    57. BabyGap.com 2.0%
    58. BabyStyle 4.0%
    59. BabyUniverse.ca 3.2%
    60. Back in the Saddle 4.0%
    61. Bank One Sony Card Special Rate
    62. Bare Necessities 3.2%
    63. Bargain Outfitters 3.2%
    64. Barnes & Noble 2.0%
    65. Bass Pro Shops 2.8%
    66. Bath-and-Body 6.0%
    67. BBC America Shop 6.0%
    68. Beauty.com 4.0%
    69. Bellacor 4.0%
    70. Best Buy 1.2%
    71. Best Deal Magazines 12.4%
    72. Best To You Christian Gifts 6.0%
    73. Big Girls' Bras, etc 3.2%
    74. BigDogs.com 4.0%
    75. Blair.com 4.8%
    76. Blockbuster Online Special Rate
    77. Blue Dolphin Magazines 14.0%
    78. Blue Nile 2.0%
    79. Bluefly.com 4.0%
    80. BMG Music Service Special Rate
    81. Boden USA 3.2%
    82. Bombay Company 2.0%
    83. Book Closeouts 4.0%
    84. Booksamillion.com 1.2%
    85. Boscov's 2.0%
    86. Bose.com 1.2%
    87. Brooks Brothers 2.0%
    88. Brookstone 1.6%
    89. Brylane Home 2.0%
    90. Brylane Kitchen 2.0%
    91. Buy.com 1.2%
    92. BuyCostumes.com 2.4%
    93. BuyMusic.com 4.0%
    94. Cabela's 1.6%
    95. Calendars.com 4.8%
    96. Camping World 2.8%
    97. CanadianTire.ca 2.0%
    98. CandleMart 6.0%
    99. Carol Wright Gifts 3.2%
    100. CarParts.com 2.4%
    101. Carrot's Ink Cartridges 4.0%
    102. Casual Corner 2.0%
    103. Catherines 2.0%
    104. Catman Drew 6.0%
    105. CatToys.com 4.5%
    106. Chadwick's 2.0%
    107. Champion Catalog 3.2%
    108. Chapters-Indigo 2.0%
    109. Charles Tyrwhitt 4.0%
    110. Cheap Tickets Special Rate
    111. Checks Unlimited 4.0%
    112. ChefsCatalog.com 4.0%
    113. Chinaberry 4.4%
    114. Chocolate Source 4.0%
    115. Circuit City 1.2%
    116. Classic Closeouts 3.6%
    117. Clotilde Sewing Notions 4.8%
    118. Cloudwalkers.com 3.2%
    119. Coldwater Creek 2.8%
    120. Collections Etc. 2.0%
    121. Colorful Images 4.0%
    122. Columbia House DVD Club Special Rate
    123. Columbia House Music Club Special Rate
    124. Comcast Special Rate
    125. CompleteTax 8.0%
    126. CompUSA 1.2%
    127. Computers4SURE 1.2%
    128. Conception Store 2.8%
    129. Constructive Playthings 2.0%
    130. Converse 2.8%
    131. Cooking.com 2.8%
    132. Country Door 2.0%
    133. Country Home Products 2.8%
    134. Country Inns & Suites 2.0%
    135. Crane Paper Company 4.0%
    136. Cross.com 2.8%
    137. Crucial Technology 2.8%
    138. Cutter & Buck 2.4%
    139. Cyberguys 1.6%
    140. Dale & Thomas Popcorn 10.0%
    141. Dan's Chocolates 8.0%
    142. David's Cookies 2.4%
    143. dELiA*s 2.0%
    144. Dell Canada 0.4%
    145. Dell Home Outlet 0.8%
    146. Dell Home Systems 2.0%
    147. Dell Small Business 0.4%
    148. Dick Blick 2.0%
    149. Discover® Card Special Rate
    150. Discovery Channel Store 3.2%
    151. Disney Movie Club Special Rate
    152. Disney Store 2.0%
    153. DogToys.com 4.0%
    154. Domestications 2.0%
    155. Dr. Leonard's Healthcare 3.2%
    156. Draper's & Damon's 2.0%
    157. Drugstore.com 4.8%
    158. Drugstore.com Pharmacy Special Rate
    159. Duncraft.com 4.0%
    160. Dunham's Sports 2.0%
    161. DVD Planet 3.2%
    162. E-LOAN Special Rate
    163. Eastbay 2.0%
    164. eBags.com 2.8%
    165. eBay Special Rate
    166. eBay.ca Special Rate
    167. EconomyTravel.com 1.2%
    168. eCOST 0.4%
    169. Eddie Bauer 2.4%
    170. Eddie Bauer Home 2.0%
    171. Eddie Bauer Kids 2.0%
    172. Eddie Bauer Outlet 2.0%
    173. Edmund Scientific 2.8%
    174. Edwin Watts Golf 2.0%
    175. eHarlequin 4.0%
    176. Elisabeth by Liz Claiborne 2.8%
    177. eLUXURY 2.8%
    178. Enterprise Rent-A-Car 0.4%
    179. Entertainment Books Special Rate
    180. Entirely Pets 4.0%
    181. Equifax 6.0%
    182. ESPRIT 4.0%
    183. eSticker 6.0%
    184. eToys 2.0%
    185. Expedia.co.uk Special Rate
    186. Expedia.com 0.8%
    187. Exposures Online 2.0%
    188. Fabric.com 3.2%
    189. Fabulous Furs 4.8%
    190. Family Christian Stores 2.4%
    191. Fandango Special Rate
    192. Fannie May Candies 4.0%
    193. Fashion Bug 2.0%
    194. Femail Creations 3.2%
    195. Figleaves 4.0%
    196. FineStationery.com 2.0%
    197. Fingerhut 2.8%
    198. Finish Line 2.0%
    199. First USA Audi Visa Special Rate
    200. firstSTREET 8.0%
    201. FLAX art & design 5.2%
    202. Florist.com 7.6%
    203. Flowers Fast 4.0%
    204. Flowerstore.com 7.2%
    205. Flying Noodle 5.2%
    206. FootSmart 4.0%
    207. Forzieri.com 4.8%
    208. FOSSIL 6.0%
    209. FragranceNet.com 3.2%
    210. Franklin Covey 4.8%
    211. Franklin Mint 2.4%
    212. Frederick's of Hollywood 1.6%
    213. French Toast 2.0%
    214. Frontgate.com 3.2%
    215. FTD.com 3.2%
    216. Gaiam.com 3.2%
    217. Gamefest 2.0%
    218. GameStop.com 2.0%
    219. Gap Maternity 2.0%
    220. Gap.com 2.0%
    221. gapkids.com 2.0%
    222. Garden Botanika 4.0%
    223. Gardener's Supply Company 3.2%
    224. Gardeners Eden 3.2%
    225. Gardens Alive 16.0%
    226. GarnetHill.com 3.2%
    227. Gateway 0.8%
    228. Gemplers.com 4.0%
    229. Genealogy.com 4.0%
    230. Get The Edge - Tony Robbins 6.8%
    231. Gevalia.com 3.6%
    232. Giardinelli.com 2.0%
    233. GiftBaskets.com 7.2%
    234. GiftCertificates.com 1.2%
    235. Gifttree.com 4.0%
    236. Ginny's Catalog 2.0%
    237. GiveAnything.com Gift Certificates 8.0%
    238. GNC Store 4.8%
    239. GoCollect.com 4.8%
    240. GoodGuys.com 2.0%
    241. Great Buy USA 4.8%
    242. GreatCleaners.com 4.0%
    243. Guiding Light Video 3.6%
    244. Gump's 3.2%
    245. H&R Block 6.0%
    246. Haband 3.2%
    247. Half.com Special Rate
    248. Hallmark.com 6.4%
    249. Hammacher Schlemmer 4.0%
    250. Harry and David 2.4%
    251. HealthDesigns.com 2.0%
    252. Hello Direct 3.2%
    253. Herbal Remedies 6.0%
    254. Hickory Farms 2.8%
    255. Hifi.com 2.4%
    256. History Channel 4.0%
    257. Home Decorators Collection 2.0%
    258. Home Depot 1.6%
    259. HomeCenter 2.8%
    260. HomeVisions 4.0%
    261. Horchow 2.0%
    262. Hot Topic 2.0%
    263. Hotwire 0.8%
    264. HP Shopping 1.2%
    265. HSN 3.6%
    266. IBM.com 0.8%
    267. ICE.com 4.0%
    268. iDISH Network Special Rate
    269. iGourmet 4.8%
    270. Illuminations.com 3.2%
    271. iMaternity.com 3.2%
    272. Immune Support 6.0%
    273. Improvements Catalog 3.2%
    274. Inner-Self 2.0%
    275. Instrument Pro 4.0%
    276. Integrity Music 4.0%
    277. International Male 2.4%
    278. iPod Store 0.4%
    279. iPrint 2.8%
    280. Isabella 4.4%
    281. J&R 1.2%
    282. J.Crew 2.0%
    283. J.Jill.com 2.4%
    284. Jackson & Perkins 2.4%
    285. JCPenney 1.6%
    286. JCWhitney 2.4%
    287. Jeffers Equine 0.9%
    288. Jeffers Pet 0.9%
    289. Jessica London 2.0%
    290. Jewelry Spotlight 4.0%
    291. Joann.com 3.2%
    292. Johnston & Murphy 2.8%
    293. JosABank.com 3.2%
    294. Journeys Shoes 2.8%
    295. Junonia 4.0%
    296. JustMySize.com 2.0%
    297. Kaboom 4.0%
    298. Kaplan Test Prep 2.4%
    299. KB Toys 2.0%
    300. King Size Direct 2.0%
    301. Kohl's 1.6%
    302. L.L.Bean 2.0%
    303. La Redoute 2.0%
    304. Lacrosse.com 2.0%
    305. Lancôme 2.4%
    306. Lands' End 2.4%
    307. Lands' End Maternity 2.4%
    308. LandscapeUSA 3.2%
    309. Lane Bryant Catalog 2.0%
    310. LaneBryant.com 2.0%
    311. Laura Ashley (UK) 2.0%
    312. Leaps and Bounds 3.2%
    313. Lenox 4.0%
    314. LensMart 4.0%
    315. Lerner Catalog 2.0%
    316. Lids.com 4.0%
    317. Lillian Vernon 2.8%
    318. Limoges Jewelry 6.0%
    319. Linens 'N Things 2.0%
    320. LinenSource 3.2%
    321. Lobster Gram 4.8%
    322. Loehmann's Online 4.0%
    323. Lowestfare.com 2.0%
    324. Macy*s 1.6%
    325. Made In Washington 3.2%
    326. Magazine Promotion 12.0%
    327. Magazines.com 14.0%
    328. Magellan's Travel Supplies 4.0%
    329. Maidenform.com 2.0%
    330. Maps.com 2.8%
    331. Marks & Spencer 1.2%
    332. MCSports.com 2.0%
    333. Michigan Bulb 6.0%
    334. Midnight Velvet 2.8%
    335. Miles Kimball 2.0%
    336. Miles Kimball Cards 2.0%
    337. Mister Art 2.8%
    338. MLB.com 3.6%
    339. Monroe & Main 2.0%
    340. MotherNature.com 5.6%
    341. Motherwear 3.2%
    342. Motorola 2.8%
    343. Mr. Ink Man 13.6%
    344. Mrs. Beasley's 3.2%
    345. Mrs. Fields Gifts 2.0%
    346. Music123 2.0%
    347. Musician's Friend 2.0%
    348. MusicSpace.com 2.8%
    349. MyInks.com 11.6%
    350. Nashbar 2.0%
    351. National Pet Pharmacy 3.2%
    352. Neiman Marcus 2.0%
    353. Netflix Special Rate
    354. New York Times - Home Delivery Special Rate
    355. New York Times Store 4.0%
    356. Newport News 2.4%
    357. NewRoutine.com 4.0%
    358. Nextel Special Rate
    359. Niketown 2.4%
    360. Nirvana Chocolates 4.0%
    361. Nokia USA 4.0%
    362. Norm Thompson 2.4%
    363. Northern Tool 2.0%
    364. NOVICA 2.4%
    365. Nutrisystem 6.0%
    366. Office Depot 2.0%
    367. Office Furniture 2.0%
    368. Office Max 1.6%
    369. Ofoto 4.0%
    370. OldNavy.com 2.0%
    371. Omaha Steaks 2.8%
    372. One Hanes Place 2.0%
    373. One Step Ahead 3.2%
    374. OneSpirit.com Special Rate
    375. Orange Clean 4.0%
    376. Orange Glo 4.0%
    377. Orbitz Special Rate
    378. Oriental Trading Co. 2.0%
    379. Origins.com 4.0%
    380. Orvis 4.8%
    381. OshKosh B'Gosh 4.0%
    382. Oshman's 2.0%
    383. Overstock.com 2.8%
    384. Overton's 1.6%
    385. Overtstock.com Auctions Special Rate
    386. OxiClean 4.0%
    387. Pacific Coast Feather Co. 2.8%
    388. Paintball Online 2.0%
    389. Palm Beach Jewelry 4.8%
    390. palmOne 2.0%
    391. Paragon Gifts 2.8%
    392. Park Inn 2.0%
    393. Park Plaza Hotels & Resorts 2.0%
    394. Patagonia 4.0%
    395. Paul Fredrick Menstyle 3.6%
    396. Payless ShoeSource 2.0%
    397. PC Connection 1.2%
    398. Peapod Grocer Special Rate
    399. PeopleFinder 4.0%
    400. Personal Creations 6.0%
    401. Pet Food Direct 3.2%
    402. PetCareRx 4.8%
    403. PETCO 3.2%
    404. Petite Sophisticate 2.0%
    405. Petscriptions.com 2.8%
    406. PETsMART 2.8%
    407. Pfaelzer Brothers 4.0%
    408. Pfaltzgraff 2.4%
    409. Philips 1.2%
    410. Photo Alley 1.2%
    411. PlayCentric Special Rate
    412. Popcorn Factory 4.8%
    413. Powell's 2.8%
    414. Priceline.com 1.2%
    415. Principal Secret 6.8%
    416. PrintPal 10.0%
    417. Proactiv Solution 6.8%
    418. ProFlowers 4.0%
    419. Psyche.co.uk 2.0%
    420. Puritan's Pride 4.0%
    421. QBOutlet.com 4.8%
    422. Quicken Loans Special Rate
    423. QVC 1.6%
    424. Radisson Hotels & Resorts 2.0%
    425. Rail Europe 2.0%
    426. Rampage.com 4.8%
    427. Reading Glasses 4.8%
    428. RedEnvelope 3.2%
    429. Reflect.com 3.2%
    430. Regent International Hotels 2.0%
    431. Register.com 10.0%
    432. Restoration Hardware 2.4%
    433. Ritz Camera 1.6%
    434. Road Runner Sports 2.0%
    435. Roaman's 2.0%
    436. Rochester Big & Tall 4.0%
    437. Room for Kids 2.8%
    438. ROOTS Direct 2.0%
    439. Ross-Simons 2.4%
    440. S&S Worldwide 4.0%
    441. Safeway.com Special Rate
    442. Sahalie 2.4%
    443. San Francisco Music Box Co. 2.4%
    444. SBC Communications Special Rate
    445. Scholastic Store 2.0%
    446. Scholastic Teacher Store 2.0%
    447. SeaBear Smokehouse 3.2%
    448. Sears Clothing 1.6%
    449. Sears Jewelry 2.8%
    450. Sears.com 1.2%
    451. Sephora 2.0%
    452. Seventh Avenue 2.8%
    453. Sharper Image 4.0%
    454. Sheplers WesternWear 2.0%
    455. ShindigZ by Stumps 5.2%
    456. Shoebuy.com 6.8%
    457. Shoedini 5.2%
    458. ShoeMall 6.0%
    459. SHOP.COM 3.6%
    460. ShopatHomeTV 3.2%
    461. ShopNBC 2.0%
    462. ShowPlace 2.8%
    463. Shutterfly 4.0%
    464. Sierra Club 4.0%
    465. Silhouettes 2.4%
    466. Simply Whispers 6.0%
    467. Site59.com 1.2%
    468. SitStay.com 4.0%
    469. SmartBargains 4.0%
    470. SmarterKids 2.4%
    471. Smarthome 3.2%
    472. Smith+Noble 3.2%
    473. Snapfish Special Rate
    474. Soccer.com 2.0%
    475. Socrates.com 12.0%
    476. Soft Surroundings 2.0%
    477. Solutions Catalog 2.4%
    478. Songs4Worship 4.0%
    479. SonyStyle 1.2%
    480. SpaFinder 3.2%
    481. SpaWish 2.4%
    482. Spiegel 2.4%
    483. Spiegel Clearance 2.4%
    484. Spilsbury 4.0%
    485. Spiritual Cinema Circle Special Rate
    486. Sport Chalet 2.0%
    487. Sportmart 2.0%
    488. Sports Authority 2.0%
    489. Sportsman's Guide 3.2%
    490. Stacks and Stacks 1.2%
    491. Stacks and Stacks 3.2%
    492. Staples.com 1.2%
    493. Star Struck & ProTeam 3.6%
    494. Starbucks Card Duetto Visa Special Rate
    495. State Line Tack 4.0%
    496. StickerGiant 4.0%
    497. Stonewall Kitchen 3.2%
    498. Sunglass Hut 2.8%
    499. Sur La Table 2.8%
    500. SureFit Slipcovers 4.0%
    501. Swanson Health Products 4.0%
    502. Swiss Colony 2.8%
    503. swizarmy.com 2.8%
    504. T-Mobile Special Rate
    505. T-Shirts.com 4.0%
    506. T. Shipley 4.0%
    507. Tabasco Country Store 2.4%
    508. Target.com 2.8%
    509. TaxCut.com 6.0%
    510. Tech Depot 1.6%
    511. Ted by United Special Rate
    512. Term Life Insurance from OnlineChoice 6.5%
    513. Terry's Village 2.4%
    514. TextbookX 2.0%
    515. The Body Shop 3.2%
    516. The Children's Place 2.0%
    517. The Company Store 2.0%
    518. The Container Store 2.8%
    519. The Golf Warehouse 2.8%
    520. The House 2.8%
    521. The Territory Ahead 2.8%
    522. Things Remembered 2.4%
    523. Thrifty Rent-a-Car 0.4%
    524. Timberland 3.2%
    525. TimeLife.com 4.8%
    526. Tire Rack 2.4%
    527. Torrid 2.0%
    528. Toshiba 1.2%
    529. Tower Records 1.6%
    530. TracFone 2.4%
    531. Travelocity.com 0.8%
    532. Travelog 4.0%
    533. Travelweb 1.2%
    534. TreeGivers 9.2%
    535. Treo Store 2.0%
    536. Tupperware 2.8%
    537. U.S. Toy Company 2.0%
    538. Ulla Popken 2.4%
    539. ULTA 2.0%
    540. UltimateGrill.com 3.2%
    541. United Airlines Special Rate
    542. United.com Hotels Special Rate
    543. UnitedEscapes 0.8%
    544. Upper Deck Store 4.0%
    545. Urban Outfitters 2.0%
    546. USAopoly 4.0%
    547. Vacation Outlet Special Rate
    548. Value Mags 26.0%
    549. Verizon Wireless Special Rate
    550. Vermont Country Store 4.0%
    551. Vermont Teddy Bear Co. 3.2%
    552. Viking Office Products 2.4%
    553. Vision Direct 3.2%
    554. VistaPrint 4.0%
    555. VitaCost 4.0%
    556. Vitamin Shoppe 3.2%
    557. Vons.com Special Rate
    558. Wall Street Journal 14.0%
    559. Walter Drake 6.0%
    560. Warner Bros. Online Shop 4.0%
    561. We Behave 3.2%
    562. Wear Guard 4.0%
    563. WebVitamins 4.8%
    564. Weight Watchers Special Rate
    565. West Marine 1.6%
    566. White Flower Farm 3.2%
    567. Wickers 6.0%
    568. Wilsons Leather 2.0%
    569. Wine Enthusiast 2.4%
    570. Wine.com 2.4%
    571. Winsor Pilates 6.8%
    572. Wolf Camera 0.8%
    573. Woodwind & Brasswind 2.0%
    574. Woolrich.com 2.4%
    575. Wyndham Hotels & Resorts Special Rate
    576. X-10 Wireless 12.0%
    577. Yardiac 4.0%
    578. Your Active Pet 4.8%
    579. Yves Rocher 6.0%
    580. Zales.com 1.6%
    581. zChocolat 8.0%
    582. ZoneLD 1.6%
    583. Zones.com 1.2%

    Nice to calculate the administrative CUT off the top as this Super Affiliates gets a higher commission rate then normal affiliates. No wonder the networks don't address non-reporting issues, leakage, Spyware data mining interferring with click totals and cookies, when they have hundreds of these BHO's, and the cookie stuffers scraping off 80% of all commission payouts.
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    Thanks for that long useless post Mike, why don't you edit that stuff out and just post a link to the page you copied it from, if we want to see it we can go their ourselves.

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    http://www.intimatebrands.com/contact/index.jsp
    that's Victoria's Secret

    For those who want to give them a ring. I think they would handle this pretty quickly.

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    Kelly,

    Awesome as ussual. I'm curious as to if an affiliate link to Amazon.com was clicked, would the results be the same? I'm still trying to catch up with the igive info. I would be surprised if Amazon is aware and accepts that they are paying commissions out because of igive redirecting their traffic to what appears to be an affiliate link of igive.com . It's also interesting that when I type in the url for awholelottabooks.com it comes up with a 403 error - Not Authorized. Make me wonder how many more sites they have and are using as sites for commissions.

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    Wow, this is amazing information - thanks Kellie. I am amazed that merchants choose to work with them at all, but then again they may get hurt either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qball0213
    Thanks for that long useless post Mike, why don't you edit that stuff out and just post a link to the page you copied it from, if we want to see it we can go their ourselves.
    Nevermind Mike, just found the ignore button, this is great.

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    I have done what I had to do. After seeing this thread immediately I have sent an email, with link to this thread, to the merchant I am working with and I know their policy against parasites. Hope to see a positive response. Will keep everyone posted whatever comes out.
    <DT>[size=1][color=navy]"The best measure of a man's honesty isn't his income tax return.[/color][/size]<DT>[size=1][color=navy]It's the zero adjust on his bathroom scale." Arthur C. Clark[/color][/size]</DT>

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    Quote Originally Posted by qball0213
    Nevermind Mike, just found the ignore button, this is great.
    That is why he never deleted them qball0213, he already has you on his ignore list
    One day parasites and their ilk will be made illegal, I bet a few Lawyers will be pissed off when the day comes.
    Mr. Spitzer is fetching it nearer

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    Someone needs to call a Senator and get them to view these. Ms. B's demos makes it so easy to loathe these parties. There's been legislation steps and talk of more in California and several other places. In their home states, Zappos, V Secret, Amazon and the others pay a great deal of taxes - and they have influence in politics.

    I am starting to believe we'll see change in 2005. These perps have gotten so brash and unshamed with getting away with it for so long - and now they are so far over the line of decency that they are completely red-handed and isolated.

    60 minutes would love to have some pro videos made to demonstrate how America is being ripped off.

    Under the guise of charity - iGive makes me SICK. It's time to yank the sheep's clothes off of the wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuts
    Under the guise of charity - iGive makes me SICK. It's time to yank the sheep's clothes off of the wolf.
    I wonder how they can pretend to do the charity while their business is to steel from others . I am sure most of the merchants are mislead with iGive's disguised charity propoganda.
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