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    How to recruite affiliates
    I have recently started my second job as an affiliate manager, this time in the RX industry (what RX stands for anyway?!)

    I was an affiliate manager for an online casino two years ago for a year. It took me there two months to start making money from my affiliates...I wonder if I am slow or maybe it is normal.

    I am looking for serious affiliates to promote our products and was wondering if any of the affiliates here has an idea on how to recruit good affiliates.

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    The best way to get affiliates is word of mouth - you do a good job by your existing affiliates and ask them to refer you.

    You get solid reliable affiliates that way, vs. have 75% inactive group.

    Besides - don't you usually do biz with people who referred you to someone vs. just finding them on the odd website?

    Just my two cents.

    RX is competitive, don't compete, just be better.

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    Thanks Melissa!!!

    You are so right, word of mouth has a lot of weight.

    In case I have very few affiliates in my affiliate data base this is not a real good option. (-: lol

    I'd rather go to fight a war with 4 lions than with 10000 sheep. Genghis Khan.
    (better 4 good affiliates than 1 million no good affiliates)

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    Your right…
    It seems like when we get deep into things we forget the tested true simple methods – Word of mouth… thanks for the reminder, we are going to make sure we work that to the best of our ability as well.

    I also like the Genghis Khan quote… I’m going to have to use that.

    On a different note, how do you go about finding the best affiliate manager? And what do the best managers need?

    Talk Soon,
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    Offerring $5.00 just to sign up and post a banner and a link will make them come out of the woodwork... Infact I just took a man up on that very offer.

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    Word of mouth in this business??? You're kidding. Like anyone is really going to tell me who their good merchants are so I can put up a site to compete with them. Sure they will. More likely they will send me to some dog program!
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    SSanf, i agree with you i would never broadcast a good thing it would just end up increasing my competition.

    However, every person has their own tight little group of friends (3 or 4 people) that are in the same industry that don’t necessarily compete with one another; these are the groups that i think would benefit from word of mouth.

    What do you think? I’m new to the affiliate game, and realize that this industry might work a bit differently than others.

    How would you go about promoting an affiliate program you were responsible for it?

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    Offering $5.00 just to sign up and post a banner and a link will make them come out of the woodwork
    I like that idea HumbleFish. I will consult that with my boss, anyway the minimum payment is $250 and many people won’t get that money, and it will help to spread our banners over the web gaining visibility by that.

    But it won’t help to get those webmasters to notice us in the first place and won’t help in matters of direct sales.

    IMO, the best way to recruit good affiliates is to have a good program. So my work is inner work and outer work.

    How would you go about promoting an affiliate program you were responsible for it?
    Hard ant work...
    Affiliate Program Directories, Search engines, Forums, Email lists of related affiliates...
    Need to write good text about your program...The list is endless...

    By the way, I have this small group of people we share info because we are friends. In this business (and in any business) good friends are an asset. I make businesses in win win situations, that way you have the person working with/for you for life versus one time achievements.
    I like to pay a lot to my affiliates, that way they become loyal. I know about a businessman who paid more to his employees than what he was actually making only to become number one in his area after a few years, he had the most professional employess instead of driving a Mercedes to work.

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    I am looking for serious affiliates to promote our products and was wondering if any of the affiliates here has an idea on how to recruit good affiliates.
    the minimum payment is $250
    Job One is to get that risk factor lowered. Not many who have any sense, will spend the time/effort/money needed to generate that much commission, for a program they haven't yet built up trust for!

    As for the rest of what it takes to find affiliates, I think you're right about the w*rk part. Basically get the word out in whatever non-spam way you can. And make sure you don't shoot yourself in the foot! That is, make sure your tracking is always on, that you don't let parasiteware in, and that there isn't any weaselization about paying, etc. In other words, if you want good affiliates you need to make sure you run a good program--and that they know about it.

    PS:

    what RX stands for anyway?!
    Since that would have been bugging me for hours, I went ahead looked it up. It's from the Latin for "recipe." More specifically, "abbreviation of Latin recipe, singular imperative of recipere, to take."

    http://www.answers.com/rx&r=67
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    the minimum payment is $250 and many people won’t get that money, and it will help to spread our banners over the web gaining visibility by that.
    Well, you could start by ensuring that every single affiliate gets paid for every single sale they make instead of trying to get free advertising off other peoples work.

    That's one heck of a program where you work on the assumption that you won't have to ever pay for the majority of sales from smaller affiliates. But then, I guess you don't consider the Moms and Pops "good" affiliates anyway.

    Heck, they are good enough to play them for free ads, though. Right?

    To me, this sounds like planned theft.
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    I have managed to convince management to lower the minimum to $50 on PayPal.

    I think one of the hardest parts of my job is internal work.

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    OK. That's better.
    I think one of the hardest parts of my job is internal work.
    Probably right.

    I think the hardest part will be convincing people that Rx is OK to promote.

    A lot of people have been scared off the industry. Concerns about legal problems and so forth.
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    SSanf,

    I am totally with you on that! I was just mentioning in my post the problematic situation of running a $5 for each banner posted promotion, it was an idea by Humblefish and I liked it anyway but I think also it is deceiving knowing many mom and pop webmasters will place a banner and will never see a dime, they wont even make it a $6 minimum because they will never make one sale.

    And this is what it is all about, selling someone else’s products in return for a commission. If they don't plan to sell, placing a banner for the sake of the $5 will not gain any profit to either sides.

    If the merchant doesn't make any money he won’t be able to pay commissions. I always do my business in win win situations because affiliate marketing is a classic win win.

    In my job I work hard to get affiliates and work hard in front of management to get more benefits for my affiliates. The affiliates are my little army and they walk on their stomachs, for them each dollar counts, I know many managers in the industry underestimate affiliate marketing, but I know affiliates are a strong silent power that just keeps on growing. My job is to defend them from within the system, which is why I consider myself a good Aff. Man. I also defend my system, which is good for the affiliates eventually, the system needs to be profitable.

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    I think the hardest part will be convincing people that Rx is OK to promote.

    A lot of people have been scared off the industry. Concerns about legal problems and so forth.
    And really what is the legallity of this industry? I am new to the RX...

    By the way, I don't live in the States and am not an American citizen, I am also worried about legal issues, as I plan to visit USA one day as a tourist, I want to see NY, California, Colorado, etc.

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    Whats wrong with trying the only tried and true method of recruiting active merchants to a new program. Declare your actual honest conversion ratio from affiliate links. Make sure all affiliates have choices in high conversion landing pages rather then plopping traffic on a stranger's front door. Any merchant in the RX pill pushing spam industry, full of hucksters, best concentrate on targeting/filtering/qualifying referral traffic before the click. Only way to force this action withing the RX verticle, and get real value-add pre-sell content on an affiliate page, is to pay affiliates 5 cents/click on top of any commission sales plan.

    This forces the merchant into a compliance mode from day one of launch. What the hell do they need, under this type plan, the typical sleezebag affiliates. Reject more affiliates from your program then you accept if your trying to launch a program in an already tainted industry.
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    The problem is a big outfit just went down for selling non-FDA approved smuggled drugs.

    I guess, you know about that. Well, anyhow, a lot of affiliates probably promoted their program and there is concern that they could also be found guilty along with the program they promoted. I don't think that will happen but it is scarry.

    So, the whole industry, as Mike said, is tainted. You need to assure affiliates that your program is 100% in compliance with US laws.
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    It is sure scary, SSanf.

    I know for sure our medications are safe, mostly because the clients buy them over and over, I have been sitting next to costumer support for one month and never heard a complaint call except that the drugs didn't reach their destination because of a wrong address.

    Nevertheless, US laws are not after justice and we should be aware of that. The laws are about protecting US rights over the world, and to be precise, not US rights, big corporations rights.

    If I am not wrong some generics are totally illegal to sell in the US, even if they are safe, why? to protect the original manufacturing company’s rights.

    If any of you is aware, a few years ago I read about a legal fight between South Africa and European pharmaceutical company trying to deny the use of AIDS generic drugs in Africa. The argument of the European company was that the high prices were to budget the research of new drugs and if another company came and sold the same drug without having a research lab they will hurt the whole medication research.

    Just or not, most known big online pharmacies sell legitimate products but are in danger because of US laws.

    I am sure in a few years or earlier we will be able to buy medications safely on the internet. Making the medications prices lower, doctors will loose money, pharmacies will loose money, but aren't these people the ones that are making the big bucks now?

    From what I heard about the US (correct me if I am wrong) it is really hard to get decent medical care due to high prices and strange policies that aren't really after the clients best state but after the money. It should change, and online pharmacies while being on the gray side or even dark side are contributing for a good change in the American pharmaceutical industry.

    My personal point is that you should take as little possible drugs, but if you need them and can get them cheaper and same quality somewhere else why not?

    We sell an AIDS test kit on our site; I have never seen that one in pharmacies in Israel...

    Having a law for selling online drugs is a must. Forbidding it totally is a mistake consumer vise; anyway they sell it, so why not regulate it? I guess the government makes a profit from this situation.
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    Can't get to your site right now Allan as it shows ..."to many connections".
    From the WHOIS inf I see....
    Domain name: ALLPILLS.NET

    Administrative Contact:
    Brown, Henrik every10000t@yahoo.com
    P.O.Box 236
    Crete, _ 78271
    GR
    +972.7460204
    Technical Contact:
    Wolfson, John sergey@djay.be
    4230 HIGEL eve
    Sarasota, FL 34242
    US
    +972.066461582 Fax: +972.035540418

    So we have a nice Liberal Socialist Anti-American mix to sort through to see where Crete becomes the viable distribution center for generic drugs sold to Americans. Sergey sounds Russian running a Israeli radio station. Henrick sounds like an American loving German with a disposable last name ...Brown. The e-mail contacts sure add an eliment of trust. Crete is a port hub known for being a no-questions asked distribution paperwork washing point the Turks, Muslims, Russians and Euro trash often use to cover their trails.

    I'll assume your unseen site has all the buzwords (drug keywords) and hypes legitamacy using un-named pill pushing Doctors for ion oversight based upon online applications. Do you sell Penis enlargement products to go along with the HIV test kits and Viagra knockoffs? Having a background in online Casino programs gives me a warm fuzzy feeling too.

    Love the pro-affiliate friendly image on that Radio station site....
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

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    All your personal feelings are not relevant. The question is...is you is or is you ain't 100% in compliance with US laws?

    Since you did not emphatically state that you are, I for one could never consider exposing myself to the risk of joining your program.

    Until you over come that obsticle, I can't see you attracting any but questionable affiliates.

    Point of information. Legal generic drugs are prescribed here and sold at every drug store in the US.

    P.S. Ignore Mike's xenophobic ramblings. He's afraid of foreigners.
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    You are right SSanf
    Personal feelings aside, this is business, you are right SSanf.

    The legal side is:

    1. We do not need to be in compliance with US laws because we are not in the US.

    2. The Affiliate/Webmaster is not breaking any law even if he is in the US because he has no direct connection to the client buying the medication.

    Now to Ecomcity, you made me laugh...You are a very smart person and funny too, I agree with you and disagree:

    I wish to apologize for the socialist liberal anti american mix talk, you hit the nail on that one!!! That's me, a mix. I am also anti European...anti virus and anti...anything...I also love many things...

    Sometimes I wish I was doing something else, more spiritual, other than selling pills on the net, I admit. I worked in a hospital a few months ago but they fired me, I swear I didnt dio anything to deserve it.

    I am very fond of America and some of its cultural, technological, etc, contributions to humanity. I am also aware that not all the things that the US are doing in the world are in favor of the human race, being humanity an American citizen or Greek citizen (pollution, etc). Europe is also the same thing like America, don't get me wrong.

    Regarding
    Euro trash
    If I am not mistaken most white (trash?) people in America is from European origin. Are you a native Indian?

    You will be surprised to know that in this side of the Ocean live many talented people, Greece may be now the most poor European country, but they are responsible for 90% of YOUR culture. See you soon.
    Allan C.
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    2. The Affiliate/Webmaster is not breaking any law even if he is in the US because he has no direct connection to the client buying the medication.
    Problem is I for one am not too sure this is accurate.

    I would like to hear what a disinterested lawyer has to say on the issue. I think the law may still be out on this.

    That is a problem with internet businesses. To a large extent, the law is still being written. We won't really know until someone who has been damaged by an illicit drug sues the involved parties. And, the ones who are IN the US will be the target because they CAN be sued and collected from here.

    Anyhow, that is part of the answer to your question. To recruit affiliates, you must overcome that obstacle or find those who are willing to assume the risk.

    I would seek among those who already have shown willingness to engage in socially less accepted, riskier types of programs such as gambling and porn. I think you have a better chance of success there than among mainstream affiliates. And, there are a lot of those affiliates around.
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    I made my own investigation on the subject and found one link so far:
    http://www.webmastervault.com/tip-on...l-issues.shtml
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    From that link's conclusion:

    As with many such things, the devil is in the details, and the terms of the advertising/affiliate agreement between the drug distributor and the promoter may drastically affect the liability analysis.
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    Allanc, you have entered a hornet's nest. The reason the OP industry is tainted is that the money is good enough to render the average man or woman totally STUPID. This higher the risk, the greater the yield.

    The average affiliate is looking for a reliable opportunity to make an above average living. The OP industry is great for that, except that no one trusts any program out there. Any affiliate that has been in this business for more than 6 months knows that some OP is going to disappear in the middle of the night with their hard-earned money, with zero notice (Jive, RX-Biz, et. al.). If that doesn't happen, their access to the back office will be suddenly cut and the e-mail links won't work (affpower)! If that doesn't happen at least one or more of their checks will bounce (Rx-Mex, Jive).

    The industry is tainted because most programs SAY they are concerned about the affiliate but ACT as though the affiliate is nothing more than a major nuisance. Greed replaces ethics in virtually every program except one (MPLLC).

    Affiliates talk on this and other forums. If your program is sound, legal, and honest, you will attract affiliates through forums like this. If if is not your program will die in forums like this.

    Regarding legality: Recent events have made many in this industry nervous. We may all agree with you that BIG PHARMA is greedy, but we have to live in the reality that our elected officials are in bed with Pfizer. You have to be honest about the fact that 80% of your program's business is from the US (I bet).

    Be Different! Keep your committments, communicate, pay ontime, and think long-term, BE ACCESSIBLE!


    Good Luck

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    I totally agree with you... thanks for your feedback.

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