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    Exclamation Buy.com launches Rebate Shopping
    through it's sister site http://www.yub.com

    Right now pretty much the whole front page of buy.com is a link to yub.com. Yub.com merchant partners include:
    buy.com
    target
    linens n things
    art.com
    sierra trading post
    ebages
    footlocker
    sony
    itunes
    beauty.com
    fossil
    yoox
    shoes.com
    drugstore.com

    Yub is not just cash back shopping, but is emphasizing the whole community thing. You also get some free web space and cash back if your friends buy through something or another of yours (reviews or something like that). Part of the registration process includes emailing your friends about Yub.

    I signed up and went through a couple of links. These are AFFILIATE TRACKING LINKS.

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    Background on this -> http://www.internetretailer.com/article.asp?id=13712

    Buy.com or other retailers Buy intends to introduce as Yub partners. So far, however, it has not announced any retail partners.
    Yub is designed so that when a visitor clicks on and purchases a product linked from a Yub profiled members content page, the member and the purchaser split a reward, such as a coupon valued at 2-5% of the friends purchase.
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    It's live now and I set 2 LS cookies by clicking through from 2 stores. Current rebates are 1%. If someone clicks through from the free website they give you then you and them will both get cash back. A tiered thing. But the buy links for their partner stores are affiliate links.

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    Since it didn't show in the similar threads box I wanted to add a highly relevant link here -

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=23870
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    Buy.com becomes Bye.com
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    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    So what about us affiliates who send traffic to Buy.com/Yub? Do we get part of the cut as well? Doubtful. Guess I won't be promoting Buy.com anymore.

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    Wonder if I should do a domain speculation investment and get dekcuf.com
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    Andy, I think you're right to emphasize the fact that Buy.com will be losing commissions to stealware. Same for MSN Shopping ( http://shopping.msn.com/ ), all the airlines' shopping sites (e.g. http://www.aadvantageeshopping.com/ ), etc. Anyone know how to reach these guys to alert them to the stealware problem?

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    Ben,

    Do you honestly think any of the sites you listed don't know already? Buy.com certainly is aware. American Airlines Advantage? I'd have to say they do since they are coding their links with afscr=1. MSN? They might have an inkling. And even so, those aren't seeming to be affiliate links on MSN Shopping anyway. I would imagine MSN is getting paid no matter what happens after a click on their link.

    Andy,

    I have to agree about whether Buy.com has thought this through all the way. Certainly other Merchants in the past who went down this road didn't seem to. It could also be in part the whole corporate thing of the right hand understanding what's going on with the left hand. And the AM not having any real input the higher up decision making. But overall this certainly isn't a good thing for other affiliates when Merchants turn affiliates themselves.

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    Awareness is one thing. Knowing what to do about it is another.

    Suppose AA were to ask me (or you) to check out their top 5 merchants (the 5 merchants for which, last month, AA earned the most affiliate commissions). We'd investigate these programs, find out which stealware apps are interfering with AA's commission-earning, and tell AA what PIDs were targeting the respective merchants. Then AA, through its good contacts with the merchants it promotes, tells those merchants which PIDs are in violation of applicable rules and should be dropped. Point is to build on e.g. AA's good relationship with its merchants, and to use that relationship to get affiliate merchants to start investigating wrongdoers within their programs.

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    When I read the article in internet retailer I was trying to figure out what they were thinking. Like building a comunity of shoppers would be the next big thing. I dont agree at all with this just go to any of the msn or yahoo shopping groups they are nothing but spam from viagra affiliates and such.
    On a seperate note internetretailer is a great magazine and all affiliates should subscribe to it especially since its free. IMHO of course
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    The buy.com affiliate manager just wrote me today and said that they had not heard of anyone being upset about this. Has no one written them but me?

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    What a lost program/merchant. You have this and before this with all the ads on their site to other merchants. What Mike said:
    "Buy.com becomes Bye.com"

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    I think most affiliates who were upset just yanked out their links rather than bothered to write to them.

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    I just sent them an email letting them know - in a business-like way - just what I think about their new venture and their now unfriendly affiliate program.

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    I think this is a reasonable cause to criticize Buy.com. But also problematic is Buy.com's participation in so many parasitic downloads.

    Which has a bigger effect of diverting affiliate revenues of rule-following affiliates? I suspect the parasites jointly cost rule-following affiliates more than this yub distraction. Yub may be taking most of the front page of Buy.com today, but in the long run it will be relegated to a few links on navigation bars. Meanwhile Ebates' and colleagues' downloads will continue overwriting cookies with their own.

    If Buy.com affiliates got to choose between 1) receiving appropriate commissions on Yub versus 2) excluding rule-breaking software downloads from Buy.com's program, is it the sense of folks here that #1 would be a bigger priority than #2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne
    The buy.com affiliate manager just wrote me today and said that they had not heard of anyone being upset about this. Has no one written them but me?
    we also vote with our feet. they probably won't notice I'm not in their playground anymore.

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    Current situation offers Buy.com affiliates no choice, other then the obvious, as now 2 enities dilute their efforts as this program sits on the fence.
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    as an act of self moderation.

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    Ms B I didn't suggest putting a barb wire topping on that fence. It wasn't me who coined the phrase ..."having your cake and eating it too."
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    LOL Mike, LOL!

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    Kellie,

    Does bye.com have a 72" wide-screen TV link? I know I saw it on a particular .org site, can you find it (inside joke).
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    Good bye buy.com. I just removed their links.

    They aren't the first. I seem to remember Coldwater Creek doing something similar as well. Between Coldwater Creek's Marketplace and 1 day cookie, I've all but removed them from as well.
    A great secret of success is to go through life as a man who never gets used up.

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    Mike my last post wasn't directed at you.

    Jungleland no they aren't and it I am seeing it as a growing trend.

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    I already know of another merchant that will be doing this as well

    I can't mention them because of an NDA - but it's not another LS merchant.
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    Haiko, once they do it and it is publicly on their site, then could you tell us?

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