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    Google's results for competitive areas ... its days numbered?
    Could Google's days on the top of the heap of search engines really be numbered? Am I the only one realizing that Google's results for competitive areas such as travel, pharmacy, gambling, debt consolidation and porn are absolutely awful and cluttered with junk.

    They seem to have altered their algorithm to account for one type of spam/results and now getting results chocked full of another type. I guess I'll have to get up to speed with some of these techniques to make some dough and ride the wave while I can.

    Google's results now remind me of Alta Vista's back in the late 90s when everyone basically got fed up with Alta Vista's 'junk results' and boom Google was able to start slipping into the top spot.

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    only time will tell...

    even thou i have lost some great listings on Gooooogle i have found that the terms that i lost still show very relevant results. I also believe i belong in the top five also, but i have been laxs in my promotion efforts for this site, so... do not deserve it and this is why i lost it.

    I have not been sitting doing nothing... i have been learning new technologies that i maybe able to use for efficiency on other sites.

    However, while taking my son to school this morning i was listening to the radio.... They had a contest and tried to find the answer using Gooogle as the resource.... The results that Goooogle provided gave the radio station the wrong answer....

    This was pointed out by a listener and they verified the listeners information on MSN.

    The last statement from them on this contest was "Google Sucks".

    For the record i have been using Google, MSN and Yahoo... each show different results and all three have good and bad results.... I'm just happy they each use their own index now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kapsat
    The last statement from them on this contest was "Google Sucks".
    That's hilarious.

    The only way that Google's going down is if mainstream users (not us) start seeing stuff like that on a regular basis.

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    Google - Yahoo - MSN - Big 3

    This time next year, year after that, for some time to come. They'll just go at each other like good competitors do, sometimes they may slip, they may change position but they're not going anywhere, not going to fall. Just like the Coke and Pepsi wars.

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    Here's my 2c:

    I think Google's latest algo = Digital New Coke. As for them staying around, sure they can--IF they get that Classic Coke back in production before everybody decides that Pepsi's not so bad after all...

    I do think they were trying to kill spam and ended up with more spam, and worse, overall crap listings.

    It's the same dilemma arcade owners had: Leave the program the same, and one person will master it, then hog it and play all day for 25c.
    Change it a bit, and he'll refigure it out what seems like 2 seconds, and then it's back to the same old grind.
    The only way to change it enough to avoid having the same guy back like a rubber check? Put a whole different game in the case--or just turn it off altogether! But then it's turned to junk--and nobody will bother with it at all.

    Just substitute the word "algo" for "game" and you've got every SE on the Internet today.

    They are doomed, like the arcades, to the fact that some people will master the program, and they WILL NOT get off it so long as it's still operational. And to make it nonoperational is to commit suicide outright!

    They can't win. How can they?! If they randomize things and thwart SEO it'll produce nonsense results and the searchers will go away. But if they don't, they will be 0wn3d.

    Unfortunately, there is one downside. Remember what happened to the arcade boom~? (Hint: Businesses can't live on 25c/day...)

    So, I wonder what tech will someday replace the search engines, like how arcades were replaced by home decks?
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    Well, don't think it's quite like that. People still play video games, they're better now. People will still need search engines to search, that's not going to change. The Pac Man game i figured out didn't change every month. Video games are much easier to figure out. The Big 3 have the money, the people and the "I want to bury my competition" attitude that will keep them around for a long time to come, i'm sure there will be some stumbles (New Coke, Pepsi Clear) along the way along with some innovations. It'll be fun to watch them go at each other

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    People still play video games, they're better now.
    Of course, and the market's grown. But now they're not playing in *arcades*--at least they're not around here, or anywhere I've traveled to in the last 5 years. The whole formula to make money as a video game company has changed drastically over the years.

    The Pac Man game i figured out didn't change every month.
    In our local place, the guy messed with some of the games all the time. Fortunately, he didn't do it to the particular game I liked to play, either. But Ms. PacMan, Donkey Kong and a few others were subject to constant meddling. In another arcade, they messed with all theirs every couple of weeks!

    So I'm just used to owners of programs trying to thwart the users that way. Doesn't surprise me a bit to see SEs act the same way. It never crossed my mind that that wouldn't be typical!

    As for how long the current SEs'll be around, it could be a long time. Or, they may decide to stick with the New Coke version and die sooner! But I really can't see search technology remaining all that static. I think eventually someone will develop something that'll turn the whole batch on their ears. What that'll be, I don't know--if I did, I'd be out seeking venture capital right now instead of typing this!

    People will still need search engines to search, that's not going to change.
    Hnnnn...Maybe...after all, the physical equivalent--the phone book--has made it all this time.

    On the other hand, there may be a day when SEs are about as needed as paper checks.
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    As of Feb 2005, Yahoo has surpassed Google as my #1 search engine traffic supplier. Reason being, I went from a #25 or so to out of the Top 100 for my top keyword (dallas cowboys) crazy .. I still have over 2,000 pages indexed in Google and still show up in the top 10 for my #2 keyword (football cards) but NOBODY can find my site via google just simply searching for Dallas Cowboys.. ARGH!!! There are a lot of great sites in the listing but from about 15 - 99 nothing but crap! Surely my crap (web site) is deserving of some attention. Google used to like my crap (web site) not anymore...

    "crap crap mega crap" (my favorite line from Spider Man the movie)

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    ban-the-googlebot.com lol I have been using msn for months now
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    Quote Originally Posted by martyogelvie
    As of Feb 2005, Yahoo has surpassed Google as my #1 search engine traffic supplier. Reason being, I went from a #25 or so to out of the Top 100 for my top keyword (dallas cowboys) crazy .. I still have over 2,000 pages indexed in Google and still show up in the top 10 for my #2 keyword (football cards) but NOBODY can find my site via google just simply searching for Dallas Cowboys.. ARGH!!! There are a lot of great sites in the listing but from about 15 - 99 nothing but crap! Surely my crap (web site) is deserving of some attention. Google used to like my crap (web site) not anymore...

    "crap crap mega crap" (my favorite line from Spider Man the movie)
    Marty-O, you have a nice site. Certainly not crap. I guess google only wants to return 15 relevant results for any given search. I have noticed this on other searches I have tried. If you enter even longer strings the number of relevant results drops even more. Read at This Link To a Previous Post. I guess if you can't show up in a decent place for Dallas Cowboys when just about every page of your multi-thousand page site is about the Dallas Cowboys, there's no way I will get good results. I have a few unique-content pages that should be #1 or #2 (as they are in Yahoo) and they are now gone from google.
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    The index is definitely broken - apart from the algo changes that have shifted traffic around, there's also a huge problem with 302 redirect pagejacking and improperly indexed pages that aren't showing.

    I got hit for the first time by a seeminly accidental pagejack on a noncommercial page.. lost 1000 visitors a day for a search phrase that I've been in the top 3 for for years. This seems to be a common problem for webmasters since Google upped it's search results to 8 billion pages - about 4 billion of which are pure crap.

    Google has rolled out these broken indices before, and then usually had to go and fix them quietly in the next update. The quality of the SERPs is hugely important to Google, and they'll know when they are broken.. they certainly are at the moment.
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    ban the google-bot?
    geez, sometimes he's my only vistor..

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    Yahoo will become number one. Lots of website owners and webmasters are getting preeved with the last update. Yahoo appears to have the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it philosophy". Good for them. Consistancy breeds loyalty.
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    Sell your Google stock now it is going to go down. Google is starting to go haywire.
    The real problem at the googleplex right now is a large group of engineers with huge inflated salary
    packages and nothing better to do but to try and fix something that is not broken.
    Recent Google SERPs are a real joke. It took more than 30 minutes to weed through all the noise to
    find a decent site that is really related and contain the content I was after.
    I Tried MSN and Yahoo search and it was a lot better. They are real search engines.
    Google should just pick one index or one formula and go with it. I would rather lose ranks and
    know I can jump ship and focus on other engines than have the whole index change drastically
    every day for weeks. Google seems to be on a witch hunt and has no idea what the witch looks
    like.
    This update has been going on since November 2003 and it has not improved the relevancy of the
    SERPs for any searches. Their whole system is screwed up.
    The recent google SERPs are a joke. Game over Google.....your engineers need a rest.
    Google is no longer a SE but an ad delivery system.
    Time we all realize it and move on.

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    An example:

    Typing my own site's name without the .com, I get every site that is linked to the site, hundreds of them, but not my site. Figure that one out. Sandboxed?!!! On MSN, Yahoo and every other SE out there, you get my site at number ONE. Not Google though. Oh yah, its been indexed and pageranked for every page in Google for six years now.

    Its definitely broken big time. How long before the general public knows it? Has Google crossed over to the darkside of the force?
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