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    Entire site stolen, an update
    The following was my first post to a forum on this matter:

    >>What a Schock!

    >>I discovered today, 15 Feb, that someone has stolen our site!

    >>Marjorie's and my site is http://www.ingestandimbibe.com and the thief has copied all and re-registered under the name www.foodall.info.<<

    There's a great deal of detail if you would please refer to the thread:
    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=54782

    An update

    At that time (15 Feb) the thief's only change was to insert banner ads from Affiliate Window. Actually stuck inbetween texts of mine for our ads. Thus you would read that you could get great deals on kitchen utensils at Domino's Pizza. Ha!

    Oddly enoough that was the only change. Meta tags, say for "author = Marjorie Dorfman", her name as "by . . ." on every article, every feature of the site layout and coloration, all were unchanged except for the substitution of the Affiliate Window banners for four merchants.

    Through a forum like this, I met someone very helpful and far more adept than I who copied the stolen version for me as an archive. Since then (4 March) we've had to copy it all again, since the "perp" has modified the stolen version. He's built a sales site around the 33 articles by Marjorie. That is, the thirty-three stolen articles form the core for him to have a site at all.

    Affiliate Window is still providing him with an account. My email exchanges with Kevin Brown of that company have had no effect. He writes that: "Unfortunatly [sic] I am unable to get involved with this. You will have to take this up with the owner of the domain." But I am the owner of the domain. And now that he knows, how does he become un-invloved? Once again, Mr Brown that is account ID = [REMOVED].

    When accessed on 4 March, it was found that AdRevolver.com is now also providing him with banners. At AdRevolver.com his affiliate ID seems to be [REMOVED], although I'm not positive I read the "Source" correctly. Does anyone on this forum deal or work with them?

    Best to you . . . john
    Last edited by DesignerWiz; March 29th, 2005 at 03:09 AM. Reason: REVEALS AFFILIATE ID INFO

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    Too much time is passing: you need to get ugly. I hate to put it this way, but the fact is, the networks that are allowing him to remain an active affiliate need to realise that it is more of a pain not to deal with you than to do what you want. In short, maybe it's time to be an ******* about this.

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    Thanks elbowcreek . . .
    You were the first to lend an ear when I originally posted the problem. And I had you in mind when I mentioned the meta tag issue above. As you said then, "sheesh!"

    Time has been a big problem until this week. Doing the Annual Report for a major client. It's always just me and the company rep putting it all together. 60 pages and art and tables, if you've ever had to do such work. (?) 15 to 18 hour days.

    Now I've prepared a PDF of a DMCA. It was hard, you know, we're so dispirited by this theft. And I'm trying to find out how to make a pain in the ass of myself.

    Best to you . . . john

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    Have you approached his host? Google? I've had similar problems and find it far more effective to rattle the cage of those providing the infrastructure for an illegal site such as this - illegal in breaching copyright. Most hosts take this very seriously and drop the site very quickly, one I dealt with was in Russia and to my surprise they responded within an hour, probably wanted to distance themselves from the reputation they had by association.

    Rather than waste time on those who "should" take action, do what what works, get the site offline and SE delisted.

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    How about google adsense tell them your articles are stolen and you might have to take action his id with adsense is on the bottom of his pages in the banner ad and it looks like he owns the hosting company as his alternate ad leads to a web hosting company epinoy.com

    Edited to remove his google id

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    I would contact Managed Solutions Group's abuse line (run WHOIS on 66.79.160.1 for the contact info), located in California, and tell them that this "Yes Software" within their network block @ 66.79.179.151, located in Guandong China is allowing stolen copyrighted material to be hosted. That should give you someone to talk to. I don't hold much hope for resultion with the group in China, but who knows. If their upstream connectivity is threatened, they probably won't look the other way.

    I've taken this tack with hosts that have people running spambots and other unsavory items from their servers and it usually gets action. If the actual low-level provider doesn't care, the upstream provider usually does..they don't want to get into a blacklist.

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    Wow... It's absolutely amazing to me how low thieves can stoop and even more so, how un-helpful (is that a word?) hosts, affiliate managers and people with any control over the situation at all can be.

    I'm sorry John - should we all get together and kick so butt? Where's this thief live?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skishopmatt
    I'm sorry John - should we all get together and kick so butt? Where's this thief live?
    Registrant City:Guangzhou
    Registrant State/Province:Guangdong
    Registrant Country:CN
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    Hi, buteverde,

    From WenWilder's Security column at:
    http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=22085

    International Law Enforcement - http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel/
    National Fraud Information Center - http://www.fraud.org
    Internet Crime Complaint Center - http://www.ic3.gov
    Internet Fraud Center - http://www.ifccfbi.gov
    FBI Tips and Public Leads - https://tips.fbi.gov
    FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection:
    https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01
    Anti-Phishing Working Group at reportphishing@antiphishing.org,
    the Federal Trade Commission (UCE@FTC.GOV) and
    the F.B.I.'s Internet Crime Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov)

    Other Security:

    http://securitytracker.com/
    http://www.securityfocus.com/
    http://www.dslreports.com/overview?v=p
    http://www.cert.org/
    http://www.i-cop.org/quickstart.htm
    http://www.ocba.sa.gov.au/consumeradvice/indentitytheft
    http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/hijacked
    http://www.antiphishing.org/
    http://www.geekgirls.com/net_passwords.htm

    Best,

    RadarCat, Webmaster
    http://www.os2warplinks.com

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    Hello Buteverde,

    You have received some great advice on how to handle this issue with the offenders site. I did have to remove their affiliate ID# which is forbidden per ABW rules. Best-o-luck on getting resolution!
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    Foodall Whois info


    Hi, buteverde,

    I took a quick look at both web sites. It was immediately obvious that material was stolen from your web site.

    Here are the whois results on Foodall from www.whois.sc without the email addresses (which look really bogus):

    If you are on an Apache server you may be able to put this perp's IP#,
    (nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn), in your IP Deny Manager to block further access to your site.

    I just put someone from China in my IP Deny Manager on my own web site.

    Good Luck !!

    RadarCat, Webmaster
    http://www.os2warplinks.com

    ******************************************************************************************************************
    FOODALL.INFO

    Website Title:
    Merchant Tools & Internet Solutions for Small Business

    Meta Description:
    Merchant Tools & FREE Internet Solutions for Small Business, FREE Web Hosting - FREE Merchant Account - FREE Merchant Tools - FREE Internet Marketing - FREE Business Email - FREE Shopping Cart

    Meta Keywords:
    merchant tools, merchant solution, merchant account, web hosting, online store, business solution, internet marketing, free merchant account, free merchant tools, free web hosting, free business email, free shopping cart, free catalog manager, free

    Response Code:
    200

    SSL Cert:
    woomba.net expires in 231 days

    Website Status:
    Active

    Reverse IP:
    Web server hosts 10 websites (reverse ip tool requires free login)

    Server Type:
    Apache/1.3.33 (Win32) (Spry.com also uses Apache)

    IP Address:
    61.129.65.186 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)

    IP Location:
    - Chinanet Shanghai Province Network

    Blacklist Status:
    Clear

    Whois History:
    11 records stored

    Record Type:
    Domain Name

    Monitor:
    Monitor or Backorder

    Wildcard search:
    'foodall' or 'food all' in all domains.

    Other TLDs:
    .com
    .net
    .org
    .info
    .biz
    .us X
    X

    X


    [3 available domains]


    Domain ID7791468-LRMS
    Domain Name:FOODALL.INFO
    Created On:21-Oct-2004 16:42:06 UTC
    Last Updated On:16-Mar-2005 16:58:08 UTC
    Expiration Date:21-Oct-2005 16:42:06 UTC
    Sponsoring Registrar:R183-LRMS
    Status:ACTIVE
    Status:OK
    Registrant ID:C7098999-LRMS
    Registrant Nameyxhl
    Registrant Organizationyxhl
    Registrant Street1:No.11 of Heng 2 Xiang, Lane 2
    Registrant City:Guangzhou
    Registrant State/Province:Guangdong
    Registrant Postal Code:511400
    Registrant Country:CN
    Registrant Phone:+1.0000000000
    Registrant FAX:+1.0000000000
    Registrant Email:
    Admin ID:C7098999-LRMS
    Admin Nameyxhl
    Admin Organizationyxhl
    Admin Street1:No.11 of Heng 2 Xiang, Lane 2
    Admin City:Guangzhou
    Admin State/Province:Guangdong
    Admin Postal Code:511400
    Admin Country:CN
    Admin Phone:+1.0000000000
    Admin Email:
    Billing ID:C7098999-LRMS
    Billing Nameyxhl
    Billing Organizationyxhl
    Billing Street1:No.11 of Heng 2 Xiang, Lane 2
    Billing City:Guangzhou
    Billing State/Province:Guangdong
    Billing Postal Code:511400
    Billing Country:CN
    Billing Phone:+1.0000000000
    Billing Email:
    Tech ID:C7098999-LRMS
    Tech Nameyxhl
    Tech Organizationyxhl
    Tech Street1:No.11 of Heng 2 Xiang, Lane 2
    Tech City:Guangzhou
    Tech State/Province:Guangdong
    Tech Postal Code:511400
    Tech Country:CN
    Tech Phone:+1.0000000000
    Tech Email:
    Name Server:NS1.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM
    Name Server:NS2.DOMAINDISCOVER.COM

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    Thank you seems weak . . .
    . . . for so much help and effort for Marjorie and I.

    Thanks, Paul W., I have written a DMCA and can fax it to Google today. His host? First I thought it was DomainDiscover.com, but now I think, woomba.net.

    nyfalcon, I didn't see the Google ads there at all. The banner at the bottom of the index page gives me "axill.com" with another affiliate ID. You guys, like Tim, too, know how to look for things that I have yet to learn.

    And thanks to skishopmatt. There have been a few good offers like yours, including weapons and a great scheme to get some parts amputated. It'll be enough to get him shut down, preferably at the registrar.

    Ah, RadarCat, you've given me a lot to study! Yeah, from whois, the email and registrant name are clearly bogus. So is the phone number. Way back in Feb, I was on the phone with a tech support at Tierra.net, the registrar, who allowed that he had another phone number.

    And, isn't it weird that the text of the whois results codes for those smileys?

    DesignerWiz, I apologize for the error in posting an ID number. You could help again if you would edit the whois data posted by RadarCat. A word space is needed after the colon in "Domain ID:" and all instances of "__ Name:" and "__ Organization:"

    And you're right about getting a lot of great help from folks. It's hard to say only "Thank you". Perhaps there will be someone who needs help in an area I can respond.

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    Ok He removed the google adsense box since yesterday and repleced with that axill.com that you see now.

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    by the way axill is a company that promotes via sub id merchants through cj linkshare and other companies just like as they were axills merchants......

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    Quick question,

    How did you find out your site was stolen? It would be good to know what to look for, and how to look for it. thx. and good luck on closing that person down, it seems to happen fairly often, which is verrrry scary.

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    well you can always try copyscape.com although it is not defitely going to give you the right answer all the time, just an indication

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    Quote Originally Posted by KGP
    well you can always try copyscape.com although it is not defitely going to give you the right answer all the time, just an indication
    Does anyone use copysentry by copyscape ? Or someother service like that, is it that just a waste of money, where you can either go to copyscape.com yourself or do searches on long phrases from your site?


    And, Good luck on shutting that scum down.

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    you dont need to buy their services...they provide first 10 results free...which you can get indication.....if you have an alternative go...shoot

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    Hi Verbalkent . . .
    We already had accounts through Commission Junction and LinkShare. After the site was copied by the thief, NutriSystem moved their merchant account from CJ to LS.

    Finding it was accidental. An invalid click on a link for NutriSystem, who moved from CJ to LinkShare. I had changed all those link codes for NutriSystem, but the theft was made prior to the switch by the marketer. CJ alerts when there's an "invalid click". The thief had not changed the code.

    It was weird when first discovered to see all the elements of OUR site with just a new name at the top and four new ad banners provided by Affiliate Window stuck into where our banners had been and with no regard for the incongruous texts above and below.

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    DesignerWiz,
    I tried clicking on your name, but I assume that I would need a longer participation in the forum to be able to ask directly:

    Could you please help me by editting the whois data posted by RadarCat in message 11? A word space is needed after the colon in "Domain ID:" and all instances of "__ Name:" and "__ Organization:"

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    jeesh, do those folks actually get revenue from duplicate content? what is the payload for doing this? I figure with the penalties imposed by search engines and such, that it wouldnt make sense to want to steal a site. well... I hope you get your justice. I would take the advise of elbowcreek, becuase you have tried the nice way.. and point blank, the nice way just wont cut it nowadays, trust me, I know. time to be a dick about it and slaughter those bastids.

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    Two good responses
    It's a real pleasure to post the response we've received from Kevin Brown of Affiliate Window. He took the trouble to call me and express his displeasure at being scammed by this thief. He cancelled the account immediately.

    Thanks again, Kevin Brown, CEO.

    Also sent the DMCA as PDF and an intro email to AdRevolver. Had a very quick response from Tina Flores of that company. She cancelled the account immediately.

    Ad Revolver seems to be a parent or some such to BlueLithium and BlueResponse. Has anyone here had experience with either of these?

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    Go after this guys network connectivity as per my earlier message...that will hurt them the most. They will probably keep signing up for new programs until you kneecap 'em. :-) Send me a PM if you need the contact info out of whois...
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    Hi infospongellc,

    I lived in Florida from 1960 to 1970.

    Do they still do a lot of sponge diving in Tarpon Springs?

    There used to be a real good restaurant there too. If I remember right it was a Greek restaurant.

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    Thanks, Tim . . .
    I have written to Tierra Net, Inc., of California with the hope that the email description and the DMCA would be enough for them. I may have mentioned this already, but when the theft was first discovered by me, I tracked down the registrar and called the 800 number, spoke to a tech support who had the two sites, original and stolen, up on screen in his browser. And at that time it still had "author = Marjorie Dorfman" in the meta tag head item.

    He said it was obvious theft, but he had to have a court order to shut "foodall" down. Well, maybe now the DMCA with its statement about "perjury" and Marjorie's and my signatures scaned and distilled in will be legal support enough for them.

    Thanks so much for your offer, Tim. It really does help to have your support. We are a Community (cap "C") and you prove it. How about: if my hopes expressed above don't work out, how else can pressure be brought to bear?

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