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    Sex Sites used as Malware Distribution

    An analysis of sex-based websites has revealed that up to 80 percent of them are now being used to upload spyware, worms and Trojans to unsuspecting visitors.
    The statistic emerged from a study by security company Aladdin Knowledge Systems, which trawled pornographic websites, analysing anything it was able to upload.

    The company randomly sampled between 2,000 and 3,000 sites from a total database of 30,000. What it discovered was that a large number are now being used as fronts for criminal groups looking to dispense one or more of a variety of types of malware.

    Complete story at http://www.techworld.com/security/ne...fm?NewsID=3431

    What criminal groups? I hate it when some of the juiciest details are left out!

    a large number are now being used as fronts for criminal groups
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    Round two.

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    In my day job I find that a large proportion of PCs that we find malware on have been infected through porn sites. Needless to say, that's not a particularly good career move for the people involved.
    Innovative advertising with Slimeware Corporation and Telephore. Mail-order fuel with Petrol Direct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    Round two.
    That doesn't prove any points other than that you are still sore. Nobody said porn was "nice," that was never the issue.

    "Round one" is over, and you didn't convince anyone of anything in that so-called "round." Suck it up.
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    Leader wrote:
    Suck it up?
    You still don't get it, do you?

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=55009

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    Of course I knew what thread you were referring to. No need to reference it--we have memories of your last "performance."

    And yeah I "get" that you are still pissed because I and others will not pretend that porn site owners are stupid. I'll say it again. Get over it; suck it up. Pretending that a whole class of people are stupid and ignoring anything non-scum or innovative that they come up with, just because you don't like what they do is, well, just stupid on your part.

    You seem to have a weird dictionary that somehow forgets that "innovative" and "what you like to see" are not necessarily related.
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    Well Leader, best two out of three and you still don't get it.

    No prize for you.

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    "In particular, the detection of over 184,000 Trojan horse programs on the systems scanned and a similar number of system monitoring programs, such as key-logging software, underscore the potential for identity theft and system compromise for Internet users, said Matt Cobb, EarthLink VP of core applications.

    The Atlanta-based ISP began offering spyware protection for customers in October. EarthLink added a program called Spyware Blocker for free as part of its TotalAccess package of software programs and tools, which EarthLink subscribers can download from the company's website.

    Spyware is gaining greater attention from software companies as well as lawmakers. In recent months, anti-virus companies, including Network Associates have released anti-spyware products. Also, in February, a group of US senators introduced the Software Principles Yielding Better Levels of Consumer Knowledge (SPYBLOCK) Act, which would prohibit installing software on somebody else's computer without notice and consent and outlaw the use of "any information collection, advertising, distributed computing, or settings modification feature" that's installed without consent of the computer's owner.

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    The NCSA is backed by the US Department of Homeland Security and leading security software makers including Microsoft, RSA Security, Symantec and McAfee. The group published a list of 10 cybersecurity tips on their website and is hoping that news of the survey prompts more users to visit the site and follow its guidance on protecting Internet-connected machines, Watson said.

    Better security on home machines is becoming more urgent as more individuals use computers for managing sensitive information such as financial and health data, AOL said. As with the introduction of any new, widely adopted technology, increased computer use requires users to become more threat savvy, Watson said. "It's like the introduction of cars and new roads in the last century - people need to use them wisely and safely," he said.......
    http://www.techworld.com/security/ne...fm?NewsID=2485

    ....."More than 70 percent of those who participated in the survey falsely believed they were safe from viruses and online threats, even though almost 20 percent of those were currently infected by a virus and two-thirds (63 percent) acknowledged being infected in the past, the survey found. Spyware was an even more common and under-appreciated problem than viruses, the survey showed. Spyware or adware programs were found on 80 percent of the computers analysed, with an average of 93 spyware or adware components on the infected machines. .... http://www.techworld.com/search/index.cfm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    Well Leader, best two out of three and you still don't get it.

    No prize for you.
    More childish cracks and BS to divert from the fact that you were out-debated the last time.

    No "prize" for YOU. Any "prizes" are reserved for those whose tactics have evolved past 2nd grade.
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    Ladies, be nice can we all just agree to disagree?

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    Everyone had a good point in that thread (Rhea's post).

    I think the solution is to have a controlled environment for porn and the webmaster's of porn site need to not copies other SEO's work.

    for what I know about people, if they want to look for porn they don't have to search for lounge chair, unless they need to use it to relax while looking at porn site. lol...

    They have been around since the beginning and they are no way will be gone, they just need to have responsible people to do it right without undermining others.

    People that is in porn business should go after these people that stuffing others content, because the good porn site webmaster is going to be blame, just like affiliates that used parasites!

    The bottom line here and we all don't need to argue about (we're family), Greed is blinding those that cannot think of the right way to advertise to make money!

    Be proud when you make money in this business while doing it right!

    And no I don't have a porn site (but I am thinking of doing one lol...)

    Let's all get together to stop the bad apple who is messing up the good thing of these business.

    We are all different and I don't believe of you are better than me, you just know something I don't and I know something you don't. (This comment is just an example and not towards anyone).

    The bad things that is happening to the human race can be stop or controlled from the people that have the power and motivation to stop the scums, we need to start for the sake of our family (the next generation), or they will be the one paying and will suffer because we cannot put our difference to make the future better!

    My@cents :-)

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    Well Leader I enjoyed the heated debate that actually offers a way out for any and all legit affiliates and merchants seeking to distance themselves from the innovative pornsters, virus writers and their Adwhore partnerships.

    The culmination of taking my 13000+ rants & warnings, decifering the responses, to devise a bullet proof solution for all those wishing to leave the Adwhores and tricksters harmless from derailing their sites value to shoppers.

    Leader was the only one intelligent enough to know Webmaster Mike & Charlie just might have a plan he/she can't game by the grey area tricks that seperate Leaders sites from the pack.

    Since this one thread acts as the defining purpose for all my pro-active work on behalf of domain bound affiliates and ethical merchants since 1998, I'll drop the Safe Haven Network bombshell on ABWers and this industry in that thread. I'll invite Leader and everyone to comment, argue the fine points, and put the past/present ills of the current affiliate networks behind us all.

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...902#post411902
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    the grey area tricks that seperate Leaders sites from the pack.
    Excuse me?!?

    The only ones who'd say my sites were "gray area," once they've seen them, are content-lovin' SE purists...and they can lump it. One place I'm like you, is that I never listen to the competition's opinions about site design. Competitors' opinions on site design and SEO are both automatically void.
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    Anything that's not hand-coded a paragraph at a time and uses a web design principle invented after 1995 must be "grey area". :-)

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    Try searching for song lyrics and visit some song lyric sites. Pick up the same stuff you would pick up at porn sites.

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    Safe Haven Network Bombshell

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...ght=safe+haven

    BLFH:
    I can't believe you said this one Mike. Ok, I can see where that policy could be an attraction for increasing your affiliate base, but you just turned your Safe Haven Network into a Network that is parasitic (vs a network that has a % of their affiliate base parasitic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    Safe Haven Network Bombshell

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...ght=safe+haven

    BLFH:
    I can't believe you said this one Mike. Ok, I can see where that policy could be an attraction for increasing your affiliate base, but you just turned your Safe Haven Network into a Network that is parasitic (vs a network that has a % of their affiliate base parasitic).
    The Safe Haen network concept I've devised, and pondered over for 6 months, doesn't have any holes beyond unethical cookie stuffers and PPCSE blind redirect. There is no way to stop this other then selective acceptance of the affiliates and verifying the physical clicks originate from their own domain pages.

    Ms.B and even the SAS network Owner are seeking the other puzzle pieces. To openly discuss all the neuances of a bullet proof Safe Haven Network seems to have to protect the originators idea from infringement and copy cat moves. Seems I spilled some beans here about creating a preferred merchant "product only" network offering and within 2 weeks SAS launches the concept without so much as a cuddoo.

    My solution is simple, not expensive and doesn't parallel anything in the way of conventional network protections/shortfalls or current designs. Basically an idea outside the box we've been fighting to get out of for many years. All existing Merchant Diversion Tactics and non-reporting of sales capabilities are eliminated. True network wide conversion stats for each merchant are available for the affiliates to choose their best choice for domain showcase pages.

    That would be their choice of Merchant-A and would probably be the merchant with a savvy AM focusing shoppers via strong creatives and higher conversion landing pages. Akiva's PSC and Andy's Full page creatives come into play. Options for browsing Merchant-B's offering will not require the extra step of Googling. Heck those merchants who choose to allow "incents" (coupons/rebates) will have them clearly posted via a link on their ecatalog landing pages. Affiliates can highlight them along with Free freight offers and seasonal/monthly/weekly specials and post them as part of their pre-sell spin. Difference is that no shopper will have to do the 2 step, loose their shopping fever and place, or abandon a cart to find the promo code. Focus shifts to the merchants competing on price, selections and promotions totally upfront without affiliate trickery.

    A Safe Haven network employs or subcontracts a "live help" button call center dedicated to close a sale -record the referral source and even upsell or save a sale. Yes Macy's might be OOS, but Gimbles has it on the shelf. Either way the affiliate gets credit and the merchant pool makes a sale. Whole idea is this network would drive growth by shopper satisfaction/loyality -great competitive pricing and the only differentiator is transparent merchant and affiliate conversion ratios.

    My whole goal is to assure every Safe haven merchant will incure higher conversion ratios then they currently experience via SEO/SEM and their current affiliate traffic. That will be commission painful and rightfully so.... The retail game is to turn inventory in order to buy some more. All current networks are setup to please the Ad Whores, Dupers and tricksters and have a pure play advertising mindset. SAS just pushes the existing model on a cleaned basis within their preferred merchant area.

    I'd love to hold some PM brainstorming, but refuse to not gather in a core ownership group as the existing network models seem to be imploading on their own merits and ethics.
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    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...ght=safe+haven

    ** The Safe Haven Network referral Cookie is a last clicked pre-sales page cookie. No BHO will have any effect on it as they'll never be allowed to directly have a Safe Haven affiliate sales tracking ID#. Any SHN affiliate lending there ID# or partnering with a BHO will be booted a forfeit any earned commissions. All commission earnings are based upon a physical click from the affiliates domain pages and clickstream S/W tackers can verified this fact.

    No BHO operator will be able to earn a penny from their popups on sales made from SHN merchants ecatalog pages. Legal steps can be taken to prohibit BHO popups like done by TD and Overstock and others. Again the plan is setup for even BHO friendly merchants to join, but leave their theftware partners neutered on SHN sales commissions making their current network commission payouts look like chump change for domain bound affiliates.

    SSanf I know SAS is a clean network, but cannot guarantee all sales get reported and tracking tags are turned on at all times. Brian was smart to adopt the recommendations I laid out over a year ago to have a products only merchant network as it made sense to raise the bar for screening merchant partners and affiliates. Thanks for the Kudo Brian as you and Haiko discussed amongst yourselves the merits of the concept and acted upon this to get a upper hand on promoting SAS.

    My point here in this tread is a Safe Haven Network can be setup and launched quickly and will attract active quality affiliates and all the product merchants willing to give up their normal diversion tactics exposing their true conversion ratios while attracting repeat shoppers. To accomplish this a core group has to be willing to give me 20% of the networks monthly profits. Merchant signup fees cover network setup costs and the network would take in a CJ type 20% of the affiliate payouts which are consolidated. A dedicated server hosting solution with sufficient bandwidth is a reasonable cost and all banner image creatives can be hot linked or locally hosted by the affiliate. The "small network that could" will not require a huge staff or overhead.

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    now on to the current discussion and arguement where the entire Safe Haven Network model as published is exposed for comment by ALL including Trustno1 -Leader -Haiko -Brian -SSanf -Trustno1 -Overstock -Ben -Happypoon -Andy -Todd -Stephen and even those harboring and doing PR for the BHO preditors.
    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=55001
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