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    Todd,

    I know that CJ doesn't allow for certain types of content on publisher's sites (porn, etc) and the CJ spider was supposed to be to assist in monitoring for such.

    I was wondering what is CJ's policy regarding publishers who code their web sites for drive-by installs software? Is this allowed or not?

    TIA for any clarification you could provide.

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    Without more details on exactly what you mean, it is hard to answer. BUT - it sounds like it would be a problem and would get a publisher deactivated.
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    I've often wondered how can the CJ spider possibly distinguish between what is porn, what is not, and what is only "about" porn. Why wouldn't links like these, with words like 'adult xxx', 'F[oops!]CK, 'sex', 'porn star', 'perversion' trigger a filter? (I edited out the "F" words; they appear in full glory in the CJ link interface) If I wanted to build a porn site, I would need look no further than CJ for content, but then I would have to worry about getting kicked out of CJ for running a porn site.








    What the F[oops!]ck: The Avant Porn Anthology

    What the F[oops!]ck: The Avant Porn Anthology


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    Tristan Taormino's True Lust: Adventures in Sex, Porn, and Perversion

    Tristan Taormino's True Lust: Adventures in Sex, Porn, and Perversion


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    Xxx: 30 Porn-star Portraits


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    Adult XXX Superstars: Jenna Jameson Action Figure (Red Devil)

    Adult XXX Superstars: Jenna Jameson Action Figure (Red Devil)


    This Adult XXX Superstars figure stands approximately 7 1/2-inches-tall and features removable clothing. She also comes with a base and pitchfork. This figure is for mature collectors over the age of 18 ONLY!











    [oops, forgot about the "qsdzblwgj" domains thing. The filter caught it though ]

    BTW, Haiko, the "F" word didn't get filtered

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    double posted somehow, but here's a few more of these just so the space won't go to waste:


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    Todd,

    Thanks for your response and I would hope that would be the case. The reason that I am asking is that I was reviewing the court filings in the Spitzer lawsuit the other day. In Brookman's affadavit, he outlined specific examples that the AG's office found problematic. One such example involved a web site which installed the Intermix software utilizing ActiveX exploit and was deemed by the AG's office as a nonconsentual install. When I went to the web site, I found several qksrv links on the home page.

    Again, I would hope that CJ would deactivate publishers who engage in such activities for the same reasons that CJ doesn't allow for publishers who promote porn, warez, hate sites, etc. If you need the exact details, it's all outlined in court filings by Spitzer's office. CJ might be interested in some of their other publishers whose names poppped up in those filings such as SAHS and TopRebates.

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    "CJ might be interested in some of their other publishers whose names poppped up in those filings such as SAHS and TopRebates."

    Those ones aren't already on CJ's "recommended publishers to ram down client's throats" list? Or do they only allow that perk to family and friends?

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    One such example involved a web site which installed the Intermix software utilizing ActiveX exploit and was deemed by the AG's office as a nonconsentual install.
    utilizing ActiveX?

    No wonder I don't trust ActiveX from no one, not even in my own pages with the Net Detective movie.

    Sorry (No smilies)

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    Kellie,

    For the record, Intermix is not a publisher in our network. Any publisher doing drive by installs of this software would be inviolation of our policies and deactivated.
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    Never said Intermix was a CJ Publisher.

    Thanks for the clarification on CJ's stance regarding publishers who do drive-by installs on their site. This particular publisher may have been dealt with already by CJ, but if you want the URL to check I'll PM it to you Todd along with the Spitzer documentation which outlines exaclty what happened and screenshots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellie aka Ms. B
    This particular publisher may have been dealt with already by CJ, but if you want the URL to check I'll PM it to you Todd along with the Spitzer documentation which outlines exaclty what happened and screenshots.
    Yes - thanks.
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    PM sent.

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    PM received.

    Thanks,
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    So are we allowed to put those CJ porn links on our sites and stay in the network?

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    I guess - since they are link provided by the advertiser. I would prefer this advertiser not promote these types of links? Who is the advertiser btw?
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    Todd,

    If you click on any of those Buy buttons it looks like ecampus.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellie aka Ms. B
    Todd,

    If you click on any of those Buy buttons it looks like ecampus.com
    Links do not work for me - click URLs are xxxxxx.com. Thnaks though - I'll look into their site and products.
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    Those were just example links. There are many more from many advertisers.

    FWIW - Still wondering where is the line drawn on this? From the content of many links provided through the CJ catalog, one would surmise that we could run a site called xxxpornstarpics.com or ****.com

    The reason I ask is not that I run any porn sites, but I have a few humor sites where the language gets a tad bit frisky, and I'm afraid to put CJ links up even though relevant links are available. Where is the line drawn? If it's not drawn at "****", I can't imagine that there are any points further out from there.

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    Well, when it is questionable, it them becomes an advertiser specific issue. Some advertisers find certain publisher content objectionable while other have no problem with it. In these cases, we may require that publishers only promote one or a few advertisers that are OK with the content.

    When in doubt, use AAQ and ask NQ to review the site and suggest how best to manage advertiser relatinships.
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    Todd before you click on those links make sure you have a cold shower standing by!!

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    Well, when it is questionable, it them becomes an advertiser specific issue. Some advertisers find certain publisher content objectionable while other have no problem with it. In these cases, we may require that publishers only promote one or a few advertisers that are OK with the content.
    Getting back to (part of) the original subject of the thread: Where does the CJ spider fit into this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chocolate_Chicken
    Getting back to (part of) the original subject of the thread: Where does the CJ spider fit into this?
    It does two things - 1) it monitors for content that is possibly objectionable or against the PSA (hate crimes, adult content, etc.) and 2) it monitors for individual advertisers for their specific Ts & Cs and/or helps them monitor for offer accuracy (i.e. that publishers are not promoting an old offer of 10% off when it has changed to free shipping).
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    The larger question...
    Why is it that CJ will promote a downloadable app that:

    • hijacks your computer
    • causes merchants to pay commissions on sales that should be their own
    • steals commissions from other affiliates
    • and generally invades the consumer's privacy
    yet affiliates can't promote a book on erotica?
    I have no desire to promote erotica, but I must say this shows that CJ has a skewed sense of morality...or perhaps a selective sense of morality.


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    Why is it that CJ will promote a downloadable app that:
    etc.
    Because they get paid to do.
    "Your trusted third party" or the old Commission Junction that we used to know and trust died a long time ago, some parasite loving company by the name of CJ has replaced them and is continuing to make money from commissions that are stolen/diverted from their honest affiliates.
    One day parasites and their ilk will be made illegal, I bet a few Lawyers will be pissed off when the day comes.
    Mr. Spitzer is fetching it nearer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gordon
    Because they get paid to do.
    And we're back to Scooter's tagline...
    The crux of the biscuit...

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