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    Thoughts On Affiliate Summit?
    For the price they charged I was not very impressed. Thought some of the sessions were a little weak on substance and the whole thing seemed very low budget. They didn't even have microphones available for some of the panelists on panel discussions!

    I think Shawn Collins made a pretty penny putting this thing together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clicks4Nut'n
    I think Shawn Collins made a pretty penny putting this thing together.
    Isn't that what affiliate summit is all about? But as long as people continue to pay the money to attend, he will be glad to sponsor the event and take it.

    Did they have a lot of anti-parasite hoopla at the event put together by an Aff Mgr who manages one of the most parasite-laden programs in the industry? I always find that terribly ironic.


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    Affiliate Summit 2005 - Summing It Up by AdBumb
    LAS VEGAS— The Affiliate Summit was up and running full force this past Monday morning, and for those who were recovering from a weekend of debauchery, the networking madness was about to begin.

    The conference took place at the Riviera Hotel and Casino, where the tacky chandeliers and flowery rugs were showing their age. While most of the attendees were too young to remember the hotel in its heyday, some fifty years before, most made sure to mention the place’s decay at some point or another. And though many of the presentations and panels received lukewarm responses from the 600-some members in attendance (not counting the freeloaders), in my estimation, the content of their speeches was fairly enlightening— assuming you could actually hear or see them.

    It all started with the famed Declan Dunn. Poor guy got stuck trying to wake up an enormous crowd of half-asleep, half- hung-over affiliates on a half-lit stage. What he had to .....
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    Good thing he didn't stay for the second day. The first was much better, IMHO.

    There were many negatives. The Riveria is the "Motel 6" of Vegas hotels. The microphone situation was awful (although it did improve as time went on). One of the rooms was a meat locker. Half the nametags were flipped backwards, thanks to holders provided by a major network that just can't seem to get anything right. Some of the speakers and panels were outright boring. Most of the attendees were very hung over, especially Tuesday morning/afternoon. The nametags were hard to read from more than a few feet away. The schedule on Monday slipped horribly.

    But the stuff I learned (and it's hard to find something new when you've been in this business for six years!) and the networking was absolutely invaluable. I learned some truly valuable stuff there. Some stuff so valuable that I probably won't even share it here. Ways to increase conversion ratios, promote sites better, and get more traffic.
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    http://www.dmconfidential.com/blogs/...ting_Tips/463/

    ... at the Riviera Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas, not the finest venue on the strip, but hey-- we all have to start somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clicks4Nut'n
    I think Shawn Collins made a pretty penny putting this thing together.
    God knows it wasn't for affiliate marketing
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    Half the nametags were flipped backwards, thanks to holders provided by a major network that just can't seem to get anything right.
    The nametag situation did make things tough trying to track down folks you didn't already know. I had quite a few folks keeping an eye out for MC for me. Thanks to someone who wasn't even officially attending the Summit, I finally found him Monday afternoon.

    And I did get a laugh with how a certain other major Network handled the holders being provided by another major Network (with their logo all over it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Kay
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    Billy Kay, Shawn Collins, loxly

    Someone above owes me money for all those pictures I took
    Dude,

    That's rude. Seriously!

    If the B!tch had the money ... he wouldn't have held the damn summit at that roach infested flea bag hotel 6 wanna be. I mean I can do simple math .. 400 original tickets at 1,300 .... umm you can't get a real venue with half a mill in Vegas? ... are you on crack?

    If the guy won't get a venue, don't hold your breath for $ for pics, much less a cut of the comms of the pics on ophoto.


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    You realize that with 525+ attendees and all those sponsors you make Herby look like Good King Wenceslas
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    Above post moved from http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=59006 As post #23 there
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    I'll try to be more coherent tomorrow, but I think that overall the event was a tremendous success. But I guess it is all about what YOU expected to get from it. I went to meet people and learn a few things. I met a lot of people, and learned A LOT. Maybe not so much from the presentations, only because I was too busy to attend most of them, but from the PEOPLE. I got to talk to people that were previously names in an email or names on a website.

    It's all about people folks, and any event that brings together such a diverse group of entrepreneurs and allows them to brainstorm is an event worth attending. Yes, there were corporate types that had agendas, but you know what? Even they had something constructive to say.

    And the complaints about the Riviera? To that I say, it was an inexpensive venue and allowed for some people to attend that may not have been able to at a glitzier hotel. And other than the conference, no one hung around the Riv anyway!!!! That is the benefit of having the conference in such a great city.

    I attended two presentations, if you count the panel I was on, lol. I learned something at both of them. I listened to speeches and was impressed by the speakers. I probably heard them in a different way then others did, because I went in without preconceived notions. I went to this conference with an open mind. And I came out with a full head of ideas and projects.

    Because of attending, I have already said in other threads, by meeting the people behind the avatars I have a deeper respect for some, and those are the people that will be instumental in shaping my future. Some things may work, some may not. But if I hadn't attended I wouldn't have had the opportunity to meet these folks and brainstorm and listen and interact and learn.

    It's all about perception, and if you went expecting the wrong things, or went with a closed mind, or went to see how negative you could be, then you didn't get what you could have out of the conference.

    I got a lot more than I expected, including some new friends.

    And I expect that I will be branded a ***** and a newbie and someone that has "no clue". But that doesn't matter, because I know more now than I did a week ago, and it's all one big learning process anyway

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    I heard that a part of the summit "goodie bag" was a free month's subscritipn to audible ... yeah another usual suspect in the Manager's horsehockey ... but get this ... they [audible manager] is renumerated for new member sign ups, not sales dollar amounts ... smart marketing no?

    BTW as a victim ... they charge you every month even if you don't use your credit and it expires in that month if you don't use it. Affs of aud.com make note of that BTW!
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    I got ragged on when I said I learned stuff at EcomExpo, and I'll probably get ragged on again... but

    I learned valuable things from each presentation

    I learned something from just about each individual who I was introduced to personally

    And yes, the Riv is not the prettiest casino, but everything was just a few steps away.

    In the other casinos, it's a "day's walk" between rooms

    No complaints here

    Re: Shawn made a pretty penny: For 2 days he got together mortal enemies to coexist in a productive envirnment.

    C'mon! two weeks ago we were saying "I'd like to discuss my verification issues with smesser personally". hey! I did! (We were both polite and professional)

    C'mon! I had dinner with... eBates! (Not alone!) Me and a like minded AM kept loosing part of our dinner and blaming the eBates guy!! (Sorry, forgot his name)

    So if Shawn made some money to give me the opportunity to do that - thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    Dude,

    If the guy won't get a venue, don't hold your breath for $ for pics, much less a cut of the comms of the pics on ophoto.
    Billy was joking because he was assisting me, not working directly for Shawn. See what happens when things are taken out of context?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    I heard that a part of the summit "goodie bag" was a free month's subscritipn to audible ... yeah another usual suspect in the Manager's horsehockey ... but get this ... they [audible manager] is renumerated for new member sign ups, not sales dollar amounts ... smart marketing no?

    BTW as a victim ... they charge you every month even if you don't use your credit and it expires in that month if you don't use it. Affs of aud.com make note of that BTW!
    As a former stauch supporter of Audible that has been burned royally, that was a item that hit the trash immediately.

    And that's all there is to say about that!
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    I also find it interesting that some folks that were vocal about not attending crashed the summit. I can see going to Las Vegas and meeting with people that you know will be there, but to actually fake a badge and walk into the event I thought was quite ballsy. And this was some folks that I thought were generally ethical. Or so I thought.
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    C'mon! I had dinner with... eBates!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Kay
    C'mon! I had dinner with... eBates! (Not alone!) Me and a like minded AM kept loosing part of our dinner and blaming the eBates guy!! (Sorry, forgot his name)
    Yes, but you didn't buy his drinks! (Who did? I don't remember.)
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    the eBates guy!! (Sorry, forgot his name)
    Hector? He was at the Summit representing Ebates. Actually he was on a panel.

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    I'll throw in my 2 cents on my impressions of the Summit. This can be labeled as constructive feedback.

    First I'll say that I've been to more trade show/industry seminars over the years than I'd really like to think about as I was required by law to attend about 2 a year in another profession. I also think that the AM Industry is still in it's infancy in putting on such events as compared to some other Industries. There's definite room for growth and improvement.

    Now I didn't pay for my ticket to the Summit, so my overall satisfication level was probably a bit lower. Overall I enjoyed myself (heck it was Vegas!) and the main professional benefit for myself was in the Networking. I do have to say that as an individual small business, I probably would have left the Summit feeling more than a bit dissatisified if I had paid for the Summit (ie if I hadn't had a free ticket or if I didn't work for a company that footed the bill).

    Part is probably my past experiences going to these types of things which is hard for me not to compare with. I would have had higher expectations of a conference with a $1400 ticket price. The first being the venue was substandard for that level of pricing. I've gone to events at a quarter the cost (2 day event) in much nicer venues. I understand Loxly's view about the hotel cost opening up to some affiliates who might be excluded cost wise at nicer hotel. However, in most instances those folks are excluded by the $1400 ticket price to begin with unless they are able to get a comp ticket. And you don't have to stay at the hotel the conference is in. I stayed at the Hilton myself mainly because I knew what the Riviera was like. In fact, the rooms at the Hilton were cheaper and at a better quality. Just saying there are options.

    Other areas that were disappointing especially considering the ticket price:
    * No excuse for not having audio in the conferences for the speakers. Absolutely none! If Q&A is going to happen at some point of a presentation, then there must be mics available for those in the audience asking questions also. Now some speakers were more practiced at presenting and would helpfully repeat the question before answering so you at least knew what they were responding to. Others however didn't. I've rarely walked out in the middle of any presentation over the years. I walked out during the Summit. I figured I wasn't get much benefit if I couldn't even hear half of what was being said and decided my time would be best spent Networking in the halls.
    *No excuse to have bad lighting in conference rooms.
    *I know Shawn stated he intentionally limited vendor space to give them more exposure. However, with the amount of time the Exhibit Area was open, more vendors would have been more appropriate.
    *The meeting areas were spread out over too much space at times to facilitate folks going to meetings. None conference principle that the closer you cluster your meeting rooms together, the more folks will actually attend the seminars. Being spead out down 2 halls also made Networking a bit more difficult. Too much sqaure footage to look for folks and not able to get a good overall direct view.
    *agree with the article that Declan kind of got a raw deal with his presentation. He's a great presenter and had good information. The room conditions were terrible. He sure gave it his all under the circumstances.
    *I saw numerous agenda changes once registrations were being accepted. Personally I hate this if I'm going to something aside just for the Networking opportunities. Nothing ticks me off more than registering for an event because of some topics I'm really interested in and then seeing those presentations disappear after I've paid. I understand the balance of starting to accept registrations and people backing out of their speaking committments. But agendas should be more firm before people's money is being taken IMO.

    I had a blast (it was Vegas!), saw lots of friends, had the opportunity for some networking. For me the best benefit was the Networking opportunities (although several things could be done to improve in that area). Professionaly, I learned much more in depth and helpful Industry information striking up conversations in the halls. Maybe that would have been different if I could have actually heard what was being said in some of the seminars without straining.

    In a nutshell the basic constructive feedback I'd give is this: If you are going to charge a high ticket price for a Summit, then you have to deliver a Summit in venue, content, logistics, etc which is reflective of that price. I don't feel it was reflective of the going price. Since my ticket was free, it was worth my time to attend and I did appreciate the ticket.

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    Hi

    Just wanted to say it was great to meet you there Kellie , I really enjoyed our chat and so good to see how much you have been doing behind and in front of the scenes for the industry in the US .

    Hopefully ill catch up with you again soon on other things we were discussing - right now I just need sleep :-)

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    Malcolm,

    I very much enjoyed our conversation also and found it very informative. I've already done a bit of follow-up on some of what we discussed.

    Get some rest!

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    So where's all the pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    So where's all the pics?
    Patience my good man, patience. I am wondering also where everyone else's are, but my gallery being built this afternoon. For some reason there are lots and lots of red (meaning dilated) eyes that require editing....

    I'll have a teaser section up shortly.
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