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    Question Hosting all of your affiliate sites with the same host?
    I have heard that if all of your affiliate web sites are hosted in the same place, and you link to your own sites you can be docked by the SE’s.
    I ask because it is so much easer to have them all in one place, with one Bill. I use 3 or 4 now but I would love to consolidate them into 1 account.
    I know you have to have a lot of faith in your host to put all your eggs in one basket but I keep good back-ups of my sites if the worst should happen.
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    my sites are both in my work computer and backed up to tape nightly.

    but some of my sites sit on two servers, 5 on one, 4 on the other, using a .htaccess file.

    the SE's treat the sites generally differently on different days, so I'm hoping there is not a penalty.

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    Question all the eggs...
    I have kept all my eggs in one basket for several years now and from what I can see is that the SEs disregard my internal links but don't penalize me. But then I just looked at a daily report and discovered that "hard headed" google just found a "swimwear" linkfarm of mine and sent me 20% of my weeks hits. This site has virtually no links to it, excepting the internal ones. ??? Could it be that...... naaaaa! Someone at Google had a big weekend and hit the wrong algorythem button, betcha all is back to (sandbox) normal tomorrow!
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    I ask because it is so much easer to have them all in one place, with one Bill. I use 3 or 4 now but I would love to consolidate them into 1 account.

    Robert,

    One of the biggest problem I see with the idea to have them all in one place, is that if something happens on that place, you will be off-line with all of them at the same time.

    Another thing, it's good to have ten sites hosted in one place and then just pay one bill to the hosting company, but if you run into cash flow difficulties at the time to pay that bill, that hosting company may shut down all ten sites until you make the total payment.

    If you have those same ten sites, but hosted like, two or four on different hosting companies, you will always have some sites online, even if at any given time you're not able to pay the hosting fee for all of them when the bill is due.

    Even if you have plenty of money and want to have all ten sites hosted in your own server in your house, I don't think that's a good idea.

    Better yet, I know it's not a good idea to have all ten sites hosted in your own server in your own house nor on any one place in particular.

    Why?

    I will tell you why, and I wonder who can disagree with this.

    No matter were you or your server are located. There is not a 100% guarantee that nothing will ever happen at that location, like for example:

    Earthquakes, tornadoes, windstorms, floods, blackouts, lightning, mudslide, fire, theft, vandalism, virus, solar flare, bankrupt of hosting company, divorce, blacklist, SE penalty, server spam, a real piss off customer on one of those ten sites, etc, etc.

    So it's up to you, if you just want to have a single bill for all of your sites.

    Just remember the old saying "Never have all your eggs in one basket" and I like to add this: "Not even if they're hard-boiled egg" because after a while even the hard-boiled egg become to stink.

    That was my two cents.

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    >>>Another thing, it's good to have ten sites hosted in one place and then just pay one bill to the hosting company, but if you run into cash flow difficulties at the time to pay that bill, that hosting company may shut down all ten sites until you make the total payment.<<<

    ?? you're supposed to know how to work .htaccess files and pay your 9.95 a month total for 10 sites. (except that 10 sites could draw enough hits to be noticed)

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    My first hosting co.went down for 5 days once ,all the while promising 'we're working on it, have patience...(I finally left). All your eggs in one basket can be a bad thing. The other side of the coin is- if you spread your eggs all over the place, you're more likely to have one dropped...

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    Mr. Sal has the right idea here. Forgetting the potential search engine effect, it's just best to spread things around. You'll feel safer and relieved when something does happen to one of your servers. I had all my sites on one server for a while but after one site kept getting hacked, I had enough. It's now on it's own dedicated server while my other sites are on the original. I feel much safer now!

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    That about answers it for me. I was trying to get some info on site5.com on this board but didn't get much response. They offer something like 'True Multihosting' wereby you can host as many site as you can without busting the overall storage and bandwidth. This sounded a lot better than co-hosting, but of course does not guard against what was said above: if they flop, all your sites flop, too.

    I'll heed your advise and keep my sites spread out, although I dread it quite a bit (sigh...)

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    if they flop, all your sites flop, too
    Any questions?


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    Google considers class c duplicates which link to each other as link spamming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland
    Google considers class c duplicates which link to each other as link spamming.

    roland
    but I don't think we are penalized for one-way links out from our high PR sites to our new sites.

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    This is what I heard or read before:
    A company board of directors are flying to another city to meet up with their potential clients. Although they gather at the same airport for departure, they split up in groups of two and take different flights.
    The reasoning being should anything happen to one of the plane, at least there are surviving directors to run the company.

    So think for yourself whether you should host all of your affiliate sites with the same host?

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    I had all my sites with one ISP up until last month. I noticed on a couple of occassions that several of the sites were down (for reasons unknown) for short periods of time. That wasn't going to cut it so I decided to move some of the sites to a new ISP.

    One site I moved was my main mall site and I did notice a big difference in SE indexing. My site has been hammered by Google, MSN, & Yahoo spiders daily since the move. A good thing for sure. We'll see how long that lasts.

    Just my take. Good luck!
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    I have most of my sites on one server.

    I have links from my established sites to my new sites.

    Google loves some of my sites and hates others. Same wth the other search engines.

    Seems to have no bearing on WHERE they are.

    I would not go back to shared hosting under any circumstances as the way to host all my sites.

    Work your business as a business, makes it easier to make descisions like this one. Market your sites and you won't care what google thinks about where or how your sites are hosted.

    Just some more smoke to distract you from working on sites.....
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    Just don't have them linking to each other - otherwise the SEs can penalize you.

    Make sure that when you link your sites for link popularity purposes that you use different hosts and different whois info. And don't repeat content, including anything like your company's name, phone number etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by enginez
    Just don't have them linking to each other - otherwise the SEs can penalize you.

    Make sure that when you link your sites for link popularity purposes that you use different hosts and different whois info. And don't repeat content, including anything like your company's name, phone number etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by enginez
    Just don't have them linking to each other - otherwise the SEs can penalize you.

    Make sure that when you link your sites for link popularity purposes that you use different hosts and different whois info. And don't repeat content, including anything like your company's name, phone number etc
    I disagree with this. I don't think search engines will penalize a perfectly legitimate practice as sending people around between your sites. If anything, the links will not be as valued by Google because all the sites are on the same IP address. As for repeating company information, that's not a problem either. It's better to let people know who you are than not. It helps build more trust. If you want this information on all your sites, go for it.

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    Hi Robert484848,

    I host about 75 sites off of a dedicated server I run out of Texas. Someone in an earlier post mentioned that this may not be a good idea as when the server goes down all your sites do too. I have a memory like a goldfish so excuse me if i get my dates wrong but I believe I have been with my current host for going on two years. In that time my server has been down maybe three times. Once for 5 hours and twice at about 15 minutes. As you can see that is very insignificant downtime for the the period of time mentioned.

    I think finding a good host is the single most important factor as far as peace of mind, great products and service go and staying high in the SERPs (You do all the work... get to the top of the SERPs and WAAAHHH!! G00gle can't find your site cos its down!!!). I use http://thmedia.net that I discovered right here at ABW many moons ago. I wouldn't swap them for the world.

    As to your question about crosslinking penalties. I believe -like anything- there is a certain level of crosslinking you can hit that will get you noticed but it is very very high. I think you would be more likely to get penalised if you were cross-linking sister-sites(identical in just about everyway) as you are linking dupe-content sites together making them easier to find.

    I have not had any problems crosslinking any of my sites together on the same server. However you can of course purchase extra IP blocks that are quite different in number sequence for your peace of mind and still keep all your sites in the same place while running them all on separate IP addys.

    I would highly recommend (If you don't have already) Getting a service that gives you direct access to your server maybe via WHM so you can setup and manage your own sites. There are cheap shared hosting deals around but once you pass a particular size it is much more economical to go it alone on a dedicated server. I pay $299pm, not the cheapest but the service is unsurpassed. I haven't spoken to a tech in over a year but if I need too, their response time is usually under 5 minutes. Plus you get complete and utter control of the server, get to add lovely modules like mod_gzip! and there is no-one hogging your bandwidth.

    Sorry for straying from your question which was penalties for same host site cross-linking.

    My personal opinion on that is a resounding "No Problem"

    All the best,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snib
    I disagree with this. I don't think search engines will penalize a perfectly legitimate practice as sending people around between your sites.
    Perhaps I should clarify... It depends on how you do it, and it depends on the other links that point to your site.

    The search engines biggest problem is folk who buy dozens of domains purely for the purpose of creating link popularity. If you have a hub that links to all your own sites, and those sites have plenty of genuine links from other sites, you should be okay.

    But if you have say 1 quality link pointing to each site, but all your sites link to each other in a way that looks spammy to the search engines, then you can find your sites do worse than if they weren't interlinked.

    I never link between my sites that use the same server, so that I can rule that aspect out if I am not doing well in the SERPs.

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    Wow: Thank you to all .... I love this board
    Thank you all again
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    I had 3 servers,one turned out to have some porn in the search engines,from Canada, I dropped them.I continue with 2 sites with 2 servers.I found using the same domain name, and slogan helps google find my sites.It took 2 years, and a lot of help from forum members to accomplish this.God bless this forum,since I am 72, and "overqualified" to get a regular job, my only other income is Social Security, if The scrub in Washinton don't take that away.Forget about Vet's benefits, everyday I see more and more of the new ones, Korea never happened.So, why do I carry a piece of shrapnel in my groin?
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    >>I never link between my sites that use the same server, so that I can rule that aspect out if I am not doing well in the SERPs.

    I have to some very moderate extent, but I'm in the process of "charting" things out to spread out a bit more, so that if sites have similar target audiences or related core keyword sets and I expect to link them (moderately) they'll be on different c-blocks.

    I don't think there's an actual penalty nowadays unless for some reason there's a hand review and the whole lot smells like fish in a barrel, but it could be that same c-class linking can mean links could *possibly* be devalued or not counted, which is not what we want. I've got several instances where two of my sites are ranking closely for the same keywords, and I do get a little nervous about it.

    People who have read the paper on the Hilltop Algorithm tend to get a little paranoid about same c-blocks and linking, especially for Google - and I'm one of them.

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