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    CJ Probing and Threatening for No Reason.
    How can CJ Threaten to close an account for no reason? I received an email from CJ regarding how my traffic is being generated from my site. Most of the questions are regarding use of third party software, which we do not use.

    **Note - I cannot provide the exact email due to Confidentiality of Commission Junction***

    All the traffic generated to my site is absolutely 100% legitamite, however they are still giving me a hard time no matter what I prove to them.

    I guess I'm not that big of a $$$ generator so they can just close my account and keep my commissions.

    Don't you think the Quality Compliance team should be going after there #1 CJ Publisher - Netmeans? They are banned all over the place in Google for spyware and spamlist, yet their account is still open. I guess CJ is making too much $$$ from them off there commissions to close their account and they are looking the other way. Or maybe someone at CJ is getting there palm greased?

    What do you guys think?

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    I think CJ *has* given you a reason for starters. They are questioning your traffic sources. Seems it would be pretty easy to provide them proof of your traffic sources.

    Have you asked them what specific 3rd party software they have concerns about? There are places folks can buy advertising that may not be real obvious the ads turn up in adware since the place you purchase the advertising doesn't make mention of adware. Then there is PPCSEs which farm out their feeds to adware. If you are buying advertising and using a direct CJ link as the URL, you could have well gotten yourself into a jam. CJ has specifically said that is a no no under the sublicensing clause of the PSA.

    As for as closing an account for no reason, I believe the CJ PSA does allow for that.

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    Thank you for your insight on the situation Ms. B

    To clarify for you Ms. B "I think CJ *has* given you a reason for starters". Yes, they are concerned with my traffic sources and I have provided them with all my Traffic Generation sources. All of my traffic (mostly Google Adwords) is in compliance with CJ's terms and conditions, therefore that is why I said they are closing the account for no reason. In other words, they would be closing my account because I buy Adwords in Google and we don't feel that is right.

    I would just like to advocate for an affiliate Terms and Conditions for affiliate programs. We need something that defines our rights as well.

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    They don't close accounts for buying adwords in Google unless you are in direct violation of their or the merchants involved policies. And if it was a merchant, *usually* don't they contact you directly, which makes me thing it's something against the network TOS.
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    That is just the point - We are not in direct violation of the Terms and Conditions. We are not even in question of purchasing Trademarked terms.
    They are probing about the traffic that is coming from Google.

    I just don't understand why they seem suspicious over traffic coming from Google and why they are not suspicious of the traffic generated by their #1
    affiliate "Netmeans"?

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    Not in "direct" violation? Are in indirect violation?

    CJ's complaince team is very experienced. I don't think they would waste their time and cut off a source of revenue if they didn't have pretty strong proof.
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    So what percent of your traffic is via Google straight to the merchant? How many merchants? Are you sending traffic straight to the merchants all the time or to your site sometimes? Is netmeans a competitor of yours?

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    Had to post here....

    Netmeans is a sleazy company that has "special privileges" from CJ and from eBay...

    I have personally caught netmeans bidding on the trademarked keyword ebay and have forwarded evidence of this to CJ, and eBay. I even confronted netmeans directly. Since they are one of ebay's top 5 I was puzzled to see them violating ebay's trademark.

    Netmeans response was to the extent that they knew that nothing could happen to them -- "connections ... "

    As far as CJ questioning your traffic you should be grateful they are questioning your traffic and not sending you a "HOW IN THE WORLD DID YOU MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY THAT FAST SURVEY"........ & then subsequently swift account deactivation ........................... (try starting a new account and make $501 in the first month .......... ohhhh )

    the bottom line is that CJ kicks from their network who they please and when they please and it's all legal ................

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    Interesting to look into why Netmeans is immune to all CoC violations and serve up BeFree and CJ cookied redirect links on scraped descriptions from all PPCSE's including Google's Adwords. Obviously they are busy beavers as they team up with every known, and un-known, BHO search bar hijackers, exit traffic peddlers and wholesale trademark violators hiding within CPA networks. Their abuse of Adwords trying to ban their hidden partnerships comes from junk traffic complaints over drive-by installs and hidden bundling partnerships. Crawling out from under the Adwhore protected rocks comes a bann list of bogus sites blocked as Google SE spam.

    Current Google ad & Adwords filter list of just the bogus anti-virus perps:

    1.primaryads.com
    1clickspyclean.com
    2004spywareremovers.com
    3mo.org
    5spynetwork.com
    66.33.0.35
    achtungachtung.com
    ad-eliminator.com
    adaware.info
    adawareinfo.com
    add-aware.com
    adremovergold.com
    adware-real-free-scan.com
    adware-removal.biz
    adware-remover.net
    adware.storesbiz.com
    adwarenomore.net
    adwareremoval.net
    adwareremovergold.com
    adwarereport.com
    adwarespy.com
    adwarespywareremoval.com
    adwarexeliminator.com
    anti-spyware-review.com
    antispyware.com
    antispyware.neonant.com
    bulletproofsoft.com
    com-install.com
    comparespywareremovers.com
    e-spyware.com
    easyerase.com
    eblocs.com
    evidence-eliminator.com
    free-adware-removal.net
    free-adware-remover.org
    free-adware-scan.com
    free-spyware-check.com
    free-spyware-scan.com
    freepcscan.com
    freespywarescan.org
    healthycomputerclub.com
    hijack-this.net
    hop.clickbank.net
    interesoft.com
    iteens.com
    likesurfing.com
    login.tracking101.com
    mambomarket.com
    megalithusa.com
    neosoftlabs.com
    netspyprotector.com
    noadware.com
    noadware.net
    nomorespyware.net
    nontoxic-internet.com
    nospyware.info
    nospyx.com
    nuker.com
    online-spybot-scan.com
    online-survival-lab.com
    onlinepcfix.com
    palsol.com
    paretologic.com
    pcbugdoctor.com
    pcspytool.com
    privacysoftwarereport.com
    privacytools2004.com
    r.rd05.com
    ratespywareremovers.com
    realspyerase.biz
    removespyware.ru
    revieweasy.com/spy/
    rizalsoftware.com
    safespy.net
    scanspyware.net
    service.netmeans.com
    service.netmeans.com/bfast/
    sg08.biz
    smart-security.info
    spy-deleter.com
    spy-hunter-detector.com
    spy-review.com
    spy-ware-remover.com
    spyads.com
    spybeware.com
    spybloc.com
    spyblocs.com
    spybot.com
    spybotfinder.com
    spyburn.palsol.biz
    spycleaner.net
    spydetector.net
    spyforce.com
    spyhunter.com
    spyinator.com
    spykiller.com
    spykillerdownload.com
    spyspotter.com
    spyvest.com
    spyware-adware-download.com
    spyware-destruction.com
    spyware-removers.org
    spyware.junglebee.com
    spyware.net
    spyware.speedylearning.com
    spywareblaster.com
    spywareboard.com
    spywarecrusher.com
    spywarehelp.net
    spywarehub.com
    spywareinfoooo.com
    spywareno.com
    spywarenuker.com
    spywareonline.org
    spywareremovalauthority.com
    spywareremovalutilities.com
    spywareremove.org
    spywareremover.com
    spywareremovercomparisons.com
    spywareremoversreview.com
    spywarereview.info
    spywarestormer.com
    spywarethis.com
    spywarexterminator.com
    spywarezapper.com
    swanksoft.com
    the-spyware-review.com
    theshopontop.com
    topspywareremovers.com
    toptenreviews.com
    trackzapper.com
    trekblue.com
    trekdata.com
    trojan-scan.com
    uant.net
    www.1automationwiz.com
    www.adwarereport.com
    www.adwaresafe.com
    www.adwarespy.com
    www.anti-adware.net
    www.bhozapper.com
    www.bulletproofsoft.com
    www.compareandreview.com
    www.comparespywareremovers.com
    www.consumerincentivepromotions.com
    www.enigmasoftwaregroup.com
    www.errornuker.com
    www.free-adware-scan.com
    www.free-spyware-scan.com
    www.free-web-browsers.com
    www.freedownloadtools.com
    www.freespywarescan.org
    www.good-offers.com
    www.good-offers.com/gr1CvpTfyP5Tw
    www.hypernexussolutions.com
    www.incentiverewardcenter.com
    www.lsjmp.com
    www.mediataskmaster.com
    www.noadware.com
    www.noadware.net
    www.nontoxic-internet.com
    www.nuker.com
    www.onlinepcfix.com
    www.paretologic.com
    www.paretologic.com/xoftspy/lp/14/
    www.pcbugdoctor.com
    www.pcdocrx.net
    http://www.pcdocrx.net/cgi-bin/view..../download.html
    www.prevx.com/prevxhome
    www.privacysoftwarereport.com
    www.smartcomparisons.com
    www.software-comparisons.com
    www.spybot-spyware-removal.com
    www.spybot.com-xp.com
    www.spywareassassin.com
    www.spywarebegone.com
    www.spywarenuker.com
    www.spywareremoversreview.com
    www.surfsecret.com
    www.techlistings.net
    www.toptenreviews.com
    www.uninstallxupiter.com
    www.xeec.com
    x.cb.kount.com

    Who owns them?


    Next up comes scraper template sites like http://www.koppok.com/ and a ton of keyword rich template directories like http://www.giantexplorer.com/ with their own toolbars. Notice the first one is powered by this rogue PPCSE http://www.peakclick.com trying to ride under the radar. Maybe our complainer is using these rogue 3rd party keyword accounts stuffing CJ merchant's cookies while fleezing PPCSE budgets as a desperate unethical practice. Maybe he's moved from the CJ booted 180Solutions to the other scam artists offerings? Who knows, or who cares, if he won't post his URL. Raising the hackles of the lax CJ compliance team might means he's joined forces with those not on CJ's protect list?
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    I would also like to mention something else....

    when I posted on ebay's affiliate forum that netmeans was bidding on their trademark, they deleted my thread..imagine !

    Hey, proaffiliates please PM me or EMAIL me through this site, as I do have some other things we can talk about in private...

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    a bann list of bogus sites blocked as Google SE spam.
    Where'd this list come from?
    Most of it is pretty scammy looking (don't know if they SE spammed, though), but I see that hop.clickbank.net is in there. I just tested, it's the real ClickBank.
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    I think Mike got his list here from a thread on www.short-media.com titled "Adsense Filtered URL list."

    http://www.short-media.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20059

    Mike, you really have to work on citing your sources.

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    If you are using AdWords direct and CJ is questioning the traffic, my guess is that ads may be syndicated to countries outside of the markets your advertisers operate in or if you have content syndication turned on, there are some real junk sites in there while can get anyone worked up when they see some of the sites where their ads appear.

    I've been doing lots of PPC straight to the merchant for years and its always been smooth sailing with CJ.

    With US and European targeting only for some non CJ merchants, India, Mexico and other countries that are not going to be buying from US merchants somehow show up in the referral stats from AdWords (with content turned on).

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