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    Haiko.....

    I don't think what you just did was cool, you came in....said your piece....made some accusations....then closed the door from anyone responding to it, thats just wrong.

    Ron asked a question....I gave my piece...and I wanna hear what everyone has to say about this Golden Can thing....thats what the forum is for....If it really can help my business I would like to get an understanding on how everyone feels about it....and make my educated decision.

    Can you please reopen that thread so I and other affiliates can learn whats what, its the right thing to do

    Thank you

    Martin Luther Diddy

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    I understand what Haiko did and think it was the right move. The real question here is directed to LS and everyone else would get involved debating or trashing the issue.

    If LS wants to respond, they can pull up the orginal post from last month and do it there.

    I have no problem with closing the thread. LS got the message, I'm sure.

    Say anything else you want, Diddy, this is my last post here on the topic. I'm not here to debate this with you, just wanted to know the status. I understand your passion, but don't think it will serve us or ABW to say much more here.
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    ron said what i was trying to say
    Last edited by Billy Kay; September 16th, 2005 at 02:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    Ron asked a question....I gave my piece...you came in....said your piece....then closed the door from anyone responding to it, thats just wrong.
    Why is that wrong? No changes to LS until after Q1 right? It's a moot point to keep the GC discussion going in the LS forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    ...and I wanna hear what everyone has to say about this Golden Can thing....thats what the forum is for
    NO, that's what the GoldenCan forum is for, there are many threads there on the topic that will help you to ...

    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    get an understanding on how everyone feels about it....and make my educated decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    I don't think what you just did was cool
    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    But dude.....you need to settle down.
    Because there is a SOP for questioning mod actions, I'd appreciate if you follow them in the future.

    Additionally, I did not accuse anyone or anything, I only exposed the FACTs ... that LS has been working on the buyout for 5 months, jerked Asif for about the same amount of time and other technologies that use the same implementation of aff code are all fine and dandy and that neither CJ nor SaS have a problem with GC. Those are FACTS, not accusations.
    Continued Success,

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    Diddy,
    Sometimes the fact that I trust damned few people in this business gets in my way. We all have to trust someone sometime, but we can carefully select who we trust and when we trust them.
    I had issues with Asif and GoldenCAN initially. After meeting him in person and having several phone calls with him, I can say that Asif is good, as is his GoldenCAN application.
    Do I use GoldenCAN on the fourth click shared terms? Nope! No way. I do use it for merchants who sponsor it and where I am not giving away my traffic and it works beautifully.
    I have met several people in this business who seem straight up, yet I keep my distance. FWIW, I will say that Asif is not in this group. He is straight up and has a lot more going on than mousing an affiliate out of the occasional sale.


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    Ron, I thought you were done with Linkshare?

    Why are you still here 8!tching?

    Just Curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

    Ron, I thought you were done with Linkshare?

    Why are you still here 8!tching?

    Just Curious.

    Thats just his M.O.....Ron is harmless

    Ron seems to have a hard on for Steve Messer.....somewhere down the line Messer got really under his skin and Ron's gonna ride him forever, not sure if it is envy or just pure Hatred.....doesn't really help that the man just sold the co for over 400 mil.

    The pill that Ron is gonna have to swallow is that Messer passed the dutchie pon the left hand side to Kelli (The LinkShare Moderator) who I gotta say is doing an amazing job, I dig her....and she is good people.....although she still hasnt told me her pornstar name....and his interests are being looked after by her......

    What grates on Ron is the fact that Big Steve Messer comes in....reads the posts and says squat.......does the voyeuristic thing....if I was gonna be a voyeur....I'll tell you one thing for certain....I wouldnt be looking at all of you ugly mugs....I'd be hunting down the DD's and I sure dont mean direct deposits

    Not for nothing.....Steve Messer is not the same Steve Messer that Steve Messer was before this transaction.....like remember the scene in entourage when vince got aquaman and jeremy piven was pumping his hand in the air with excitement.....think about 220 times that.....Messer did good and you should give him a break.....poor bastard is probably confused to high hell,

    The guy did well so phuck off and leave the guy be, send him a fruit basket or something....The way I look at it is...bring on the Japs baby, as I am learning in my JSL class....Kenichiwa Mutha Phucka..


    Ron my buddy.....lets fly to CJU in Santa Barbara....maybe we smoke a phatty and listen some Marley and we'll chill it out, they got lots of pretty california girls.....it'll be my treat (the phatty)

    Diddy

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    [Smiling] Each of us has our own agenda...
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    ... and I have my agenda ... to help affiliates learn and earn more and not be screwed by double speak of networks or their shills (more to follow on that later).

    So get your rocks off and prove my Facts to be wrong, I'm spending some Quality Family Time this evening, so I'll answer the horsehockey above and in follow ups in the morning.

    Next attack on Ron will equate to a ban, understood?

    If you want to "attack" someone .. here I am, I won't ban you, just be factual and accurate, as I am in my postings relating to LSsan, Arrigato
    Continued Success,

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    1st and foremost, yes these boards are usefull, they were very usefull for me when I was green in the industry a few months ago...So I'll hand it to you that your boards did help me in this business..

    Now, how is what I said above an attack on Ron, it is my opinion, an observation that I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way, but whatever, this is your house and I gotta play by your rules or I am gonna get banned for speaking my mind as you keep indicating to me.....fair enough....I will leave Ron alone...although I totally wasnt attacking him.

    Yes...your agenda......let me ask you this Haiko....you do make money off these affiliates that you help right, maybe bounties on progams they join etc etc, don't you...so maybe you personally are affected by this whole GoldenCan thing, I dunno....personally I definately have a trust issue and am not comfortable with it....it is nothing personal....just how I feel...and I don't think that it is the networks responsibility to spend their time and money on external tools, whatever......

    Dude, I am not looking for confrontation, I was very comfortable being on your boards but that feeling of comfort is gone....I still got to call it like it is....your board put me through to both Todd and Kelli who have helped me significantly both financially and vision wise.....this power shit crap though, is for the birds, Ron is a big boy and I wasnt attacking him, shit If I was....well you know what I would have said, I think the whole community does....

    One thing people need to do is read between the lines with the Networks, I agree that many things that are said are calculated riddles, but it isnt any different anywhere else, its a part of business 2.0

    Oh and if you are implying that I am a LinkShare shill all you would have to do is look at my profile, you know exactly who I am, exactly how to reach me, I am also sure that you can read all of the private messages I have sent during my time here, so maybe after family time ( I already had mine tonight) you'll take a look.

    I think maybe you and I are now gonna be the main event of the WWE MesserMania 2006......the deal is.....when I win, I get to host your radio show.

    BTW you think I can get Moderator Status now?

    Diddy

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    One more thing....Can you change the stuff under my name to

    "Lets Hug it out Biatch" please

    Thanx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    ... just be factual and accurate, as I am in my postings relating to LSsan, Arrigato
    I thought you bought your learn Japanese cassette Factual and acurrate .. that doesn't mean post made up stuff like -> http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=63442 Where you accuse me of banning you ... easy there goosy loosy, re-read (above) and post in the morning.
    Continued Success,

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealDeal



    Ron, I thought you were done with Linkshare?

    Why are you still here 8!tching?

    Just Curious.


    Real Deal,

    Messer 8itched me out on the phone complaining about anon posters and I created a new forum for people to use their real names [our "innercircle" forum] and got a slew of pages complaining about it, but I set it up to try to help assuage Messer's and others' complaints about anon 8itching ... what's your views on this?

    Would you loose all the aliases that trace back tyo your IP and post exclusively under your real identity?

    If so would you post as you did above?

    If not, why did you under the alias?

    Just AND Curious!
    Continued Success,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    Factual and acurrate .. that doesn't mean post made up stuff like -> http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=63442 Where you accuse me of banning you ... easy there goosy loosy, re-read (above) and post in the morning.
    Haiko.....I said the following....

    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    Todd,

    More than likely my ass is getting thrown outta here tonight
    Where does that accuse you of banning me it says my ass more than likely will get thrown out tonight.....you never know I could say the R word, wanted to make sure that if I did, I gave Crawford his props....he hooked me up huge.

    Diddy

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    Quote Originally Posted by M_Diddy
    Where does that accuse you of banning me
    OK, a bridge where?

    How much?

    you never know I could say the R word
    WOW!

    What a deal on that bridge!
    Continued Success,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    Real Deal,

    Messer 8itched me out on the phone complaining about anon posters and I created a new forum for people to use their real names [our "innercircle" forum] and got a slew of pages complaining about it, but I set it up to try to help assuage Messer's and others' complaints about anon 8itching ... what's your views on this?

    Would you loose all the aliases that trace back tyo your IP and post exclusively under your real identity?

    If so would you post as you did above?

    If not, why did you under the alias?

    Just AND Curious!

    This might not be any of my business (more than likely it isn't) but I figure if Haiko wants to run an anonymous board, it's nobody's business but his own. No one HAS to out themselves and this makes Mr. Messer sound like a cry baby.

    Whatevah ... I'm not hiding behind an anon. name so it's not about me. I'll shut up. :-)
    Peace,

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    Anon spurs truth - remember CJU? I do, and what closed it down - A&E manager and an aff. Yes, trolls do emerge, like RealDeal, demolition man and others (they are diff people) but we've seen our great mod team swoop down to eradicate and close the shill / troll posts.

    I'm getting yelled at ... already missed Iron Chef

    Will post more in the morning.

    Hey "Real Deal" ... I asked you a Q -> are you gonna be Real?
    Continued Success,

    Haiko
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    Someone Carve This Post In Stone!
    Just to clarify before I call it a day, Mr. Messer and most of the LinkShare staff I have communicated with all know exactly who I am. The communication I do here is apart from separate communication I do with them by PMís, email and phone, which always includes my real name. Unlike some, I have not hid behind my forum name to them, but expect my privacy here from those I do not know or have not developed trust with over time.

    This is a strange thread to post this in, but it comes at a good point after the above postings. Do you know what I am going to do tonight? [Someone hurry and carve this in stone] I'm going to give everyone a clean slate. Yep, CJ, LS, even frustrated Diddy (Iíll miss having him as a shadow at nearly all my posts, but Iíll risk it). What has happened in the past is the past. I'm going to judge the networks, merchants and others on what they do for us affiliates from here on out. How many of you can say you could do the same?

    But before I do, I have to express how happy I am going this route, confident that I have been honest and forthright in my claims and criticism. I go forward with the knowledge that what I have done has been to improve things for affiliates and for merchants, not just for myself. I've held networks, management and presidents of companies accountable for good reasons. CJ has made much progress over the years (and they had their share of similar problems two years ago, let me tell you). LS is way behind CJ in their affiliate PR and communication, but the Athena problems made them realize they had to shape up quickly (especially with that pending sale looming over their heads). I still doubt the Messers were looking out for our best interests throughout all this, but they did learn some hard lessons along the way. Ones that needed to be learned.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm excited to see what tomorrow brings. I've been in this business a few years and have seen problems come and go at each network. I like working with networks and appreciate the varied staff each one has and how they each help and support us. But I am not done holding upper management accountable for our interests and our needs. I'm just letting the old issues go for now. That will be hard, I realize as some new issues will seem very similar to old ones.

    On a positive note, during the Athena problems I met many, many affiliate managers and company owners and developed some great relationships which I look forward to perusing further. Iíve learned that many of them share the same concerns as we, and many have the same goals.
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    Ron,

    You're well liked - and well respected here.

    No need to take a defensive position.

    Just continue to do what you do - most of us appreciate it :0

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7-days
    I'm going to give everyone a clean slate. Yep, CJ, LS, even frustrated Diddy (Iíll miss having him as a shadow at nearly all my posts, but Iíll risk it). What has happened in the past is the past. I'm going to judge the networks, merchants and others on what they do for us affiliates from here on out. How many of you can say you could do the same?
    You'll live longer than the rest of us, Ron. Good attitude, dude. :-)

    And I am behind anyone, 100%, who holds others ACCOUNTABLE for their actions. There's far too little accountability n this world and I, for one, have lost far too much patience with people who are not accountable.

    Gee Ron, wasn't Diddy shadowing you all this time fun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy Kay
    Ron,

    You're well liked - and well respected here.

    No need to take a defensive position.

    Just continue to do what you do - most of us appreciate it :0
    Billy,

    You of all people know me well enough to know I'm a crusader. I'm still going to do that. I just have too much old stuff to carry all that baggage and remain positive. Time to move forward, but still watch the Networks carefully to make sure they are watching out for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rexanne

    Whatevah ... I'm not hiding behind an anon. name so it's not about me. I'll shut up. :-)

    She is a cutie.....gotta admit it and fiesty to boot....proper

    And to Clarify....I didnt shadow Ron....well not really

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    Ron,

    Changes HAVE been made for the better...

    granted, most times I think they're just "Baby Steps"

    but it's been a "Team Effort"

    When a problem is identified...

    You quote facts... and hound them and let them know the problem isn't going to be buried under the rug

    I "curse people out" without using curse words - which lets them know we're actually angry

    Ben an Kellie document the problem

    Trust posts links to articles and stories outside ABW to remind us we're not alone

    Mike and Charle posts alternate solutions

    Chris AMSWO reminds us that merchants see the problem too

    MichaelColey posts something calming to keep us from yelling

    and a bunch of other people - who I'm sorry if I didn't mention you by name

    (soon as I click the "Post Reply" button, all the names will come to me )

    But it's a TEAM effort

    Just makin' sure you know you're an integral part of the "Change Team"
    Last edited by Billy Kay; September 17th, 2005 at 02:01 AM. Reason: spelled coley and amswo wrong

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    Accountability is a must....if I do something good or bad...I'll deal

    One thing everyone has to understand is this industry is in constant evolution mode and that no one....like no one....has a clue what is gonna happen tomorrow....shit I may develop it tonight and change affiliate marketing tomorrow.....you never really know..

    (theme from James brown sex machine playing)

    When I first came on the scene I wanted AM's to give me the time of day, I was frustrated that no one was taking me serious.....LOL.....and what I realized is that many of them dont have a clue....1 word....DELL....and the ones that do usually has their hands tied...but these people need us to perform to make a living....so they will help eventually

    I assumed a tremendous amount which led me to create and innovate new campaigns, no products yadda yadda yadda .......shop talk.......Its all good, I just dont think anyone realizes that the playing field is still level and everyone has the chance, just have to realize how fast everything is moving below your feet.

    Ron....I dont have any beef with you....I am sure you are good people, but many times you remind me of the time I got crabs from the hooker in Amsterdam......Once on the Sopranos Tony related going to therapy as taking a shit.....you need to flush all of the negativity out....I agree.....it will be a wonderfull thing...so take a big shit and lets start fresh....I am willing to hug it out *****.

    For the record I still think Michael Coleys Moniker looks like a penis with glasses......

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    [Yawn]

    Oh, my, did I have this weird dream last night. Dreamt I got up during the night and posted something profoundly stupid in this thread...

    Oh My God! I Did!!!

    LOL

    Good morning all, it's another day in affiliateville and now that those past crusades are behind me I'm looking for new ones. Beware Networks! Be on your best behavior. I and the "Team" are going to hold you accountable for your actions. Please try to represent us as you should and just maybe we can make you part of our team.
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