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    Unhappy Google and Affiliate Links
    Our Google referrals are suddenly dropping (again) and was told by a Google employee that affiliate links could be the problem but he couldn't expand or be quoted. Thanks, man.

    Does anyone have any concrete info on how Google search, SERPS view affiliate links- either hand coded or from a data base?

    If there is a probelm, with Google dropping a site from its search, is there a way to code around it? Or, Are you stuck with pay for play ads?

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    If there is a probelm, with Google dropping a site from its search, is there a way to code around it? Or, Are you stuck with pay for play ads?
    Dropped from search? Options include (I'm sure there are more than I listed):

    Wait it out
    Move the site and change the whois data
    Change the site itself in a major way (and then wait)
    Get a huge pile of good links in
    Forget it and make another site

    Or screw all of that and buy advertising

    Whichever makes you buy the least amount of Di-Gel. I've found that the method-of-least-stress changes with the times. Google once was the less-stressful method. Now it's one of the most stressful methods. After firing up some Bulbs ads, I've rediscovered the pleasure of having the rank determined by one single, clearly defined, simple, factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Dropped from search? Options include (I'm sure there are more than I listed):


    Move the site and change the whois data
    Get a huge pile of good links in
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    The site already has a massive amount of good links because it's been around so long which why moving the site and changing the whois data would be rather foolish.

    Anyone else with some idea as to the original question about Google's stance on affiliate links?

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    [B]I haven't had any problem with either google search, or ad sence.I use the same domain name for all of my sites, and they find them.Ad sense works in all sites.I did have problem with my new Norton anti virus program.i forgot to turn off parental controls, and things like beer,undise,etc. were being blocked by me.Somtimes I can be my own worse problem.
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    adsense
    when adsense started to rock, the search disappeared. go figure???

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    Does anyone have any concrete info on how Google search, SERPS view affiliate links- either hand coded or from a data base?
    Yeah, the Google engineers! But they aren't telling.
    Seriously--the only ones with "concrete info" on the algo are that place's employees. And if they told a significant part of the algo, they'd be overrun with (more) spam by tonight.

    On message boards, you will find speculation, of varying degrees of *potential* accuracy.

    Personally, no matter what theory I try to come up with, I see plenty of exceptions. Same with other people's theories, though. Nothing seems to be hard-and-fast there--you might as well be playing at a casino from what I can tell.

    The site already has a massive amount of good links because it's been around so long
    And they trashed it for no apparent reason...
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    I wish I could help you! I've noticed for several months now that Google went from loving my site to losing it. MSN and Yahoo adore us, as do some more obscure SEs, but Google... Leader actually has some valid points to try. We recently did a revamp of our site, and I've tightened up copy and content, so I guess we'll see...
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    I don't think Google explicitly looks for affiliate links on a site. They've said numerous times they don't like to make special cases. They're all about the algorithm, so there won't be any special cases for sites that include particular links. It's easy to blame the affiliate links, but that's most likely not the case. If your site has too many outgoing links, that may have an effect on your listings. I've also noticed that Google will not discriminate against as full site as much as a page. So if you have pages with very competitive keywords, like datafeeds, those pages may lose traffic while your other pages with more unique and less competitive content may flourish.

    There's a huge amount of competition for sales based keywords, so you've got to expect that type of traffic to fluctuate from the search engines. Take what you can get when you can get it, but expect that it won't last forever. That's why it's so important to keep the customers you can get and find a way to get them to return time and again.

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    There seems to be a strong consensus that Google doesn't like affiliate links, unless the site is able to stand alone on its merits without them. So, a site that compares items by price, or ranks them by dependability stands a better chance than one that just has a bunch of links going to a merchant site, with some ad spin.

    As Leader and others have said, there's always an exception and I believe this is intentional on Google's part. They roll things out in waves, then go back and regroup, restore part of the index, then roll out more changes in different areas. This is all designed to keep Webmasters guessing at what's really going on. And just when folks think they have it figured out, something else comes along.

    Like the Clairol ads from the sixties said, "Only Google knows for sure..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Move the site and change the whois data

    That's interesting. I've always thought that if I somehow change the whois info, SE bots would think that the site content has changed. But, isn't that site owner must supply real information indicating its ownership ?

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    But, isn't that site owner must supply real information indicating its ownership ?
    Yes.

    However, you can legally register a new company, which has a nearby PO Box (or some other place you can get the mail from) as its business address, and it'd still be real information.
    I don't know about your area, but here it's only $10 to register (not incorporate) a DBA. It's unlikely some engine is going to go around checking every business registration to see who the proprietor is.

    (Name-wise, I think it's safer to have the paper trail lead back to me, rather than a family member. I want to be able to assert ownership in court. It's very unlikely that it'd come to that with my family, but, just in case someone gets greedy, I do want it to be traceable in the end.
    Some people just stick their sites in their relatives' names and use their info, though...)

    The biggest hitch would be coming up with another phone number to put in. Extras of *those* aren't very cheap. Not that anyone calls me from my whois data, except for that pesky NCS Reporting recruiter. But, it should be a working number, with someone who doesn't say "Wrong number" on the other end...
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    I have heard that Google's algo is moving towards a self-teaching model, which means that if this is true, even the engineers may not have a clear idea of what the algo is. Self-teaching (that's my term, not a technical one) means that the algo looks at what pages have been listed as spam and uses the elements from those pages to determine what makes a spammy page. Many spammy pages do contain affiliate links so it is possible but I can not say one way or another if this has been added to the algo.

    I have seen people use PHP or PERL script redirects with nofollow tags to try to get around this. Don't know if it helps though.

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    The biggest hitch would be coming up with another phone number to put in. Extras of *those* aren't very cheap
    I use Kall8.com for that. Phone numbers are 2 dollars a month and you can record a voice mail for callers and route any incoming messages to your email.

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