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October 1st, 2005, 02:22 PM #1Outraged at eBay
Azoogle (look around if you don't know) is paying $23 per sign up for ebay.....
They told me they're getting $25......
Why does eBay pay them $25 and then turn around and tell ALL others on CJ that they'll only pay a MAX of $20 !!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!??!?!
THIS IS UNFAIR BEHAVIOR ON EBAY'S PART.
I'M DEMANDING SOME ANSWERS.
October 1st, 2005, 06:53 PM #2
Originally Posted by holyearth
- Join Date
- January 17th, 2005
What are they paying for bids/buy it nows?
Perhaps Azoogle is on the new terms and is simply re-brokering a CPA per lead to the publishers estimating/calculating that they're gonna make more then that.
What's the bid/bin structure?
October 1st, 2005, 07:03 PM #3
If true, eBay certainly is giving affiliates the SHAFT! ~
October 1st, 2005, 07:34 PM #4
yup azoogle pays affiliates $23 and pockets $2 + bid/bin...
so if ebay pays them $25 how comes affiliates on CJ don't have a tier where they could possibly earn the same?
It's unfair and it's completely uncalled for.
October 1st, 2005, 08:39 PM #5
October 1st, 2005, 08:57 PM #6
but my outrage is why they don't say 20,000+ $25 (as an example) to cj affiliates ?
October 1st, 2005, 09:20 PM #7Originally Posted by holyearth
October 1st, 2005, 09:41 PM #8
stop whinging. HardwareGeek is right. So is ticketguyz.
It's unfair that someone started a site and made 200k in < 1 month.
It's unfair that people who make eBay lots of money get paid more.
It's unfair that Google doesn't like affiliates.
It's unfair that....etc, etc.
Deal with it. This is business.
Look, sorry to be straight forward but I tell it like it is.
October 1st, 2005, 09:48 PM #9
yeah and netmeans kissing someone at ebay's butt to let the spyware (cookie stuffing) signups slide is also business
October 1st, 2005, 09:56 PM #10
and for the sake of telling it how it is....
1- 499 will be $20.00
500- 999 will be $25.00
1,000 - 1,999 will be $30.00
2,000 - 3,499 will be $35.00
3,500 - 4,999 will be $40.00
5,000 - 7,499 will be $42.50
7,500 + ACRU will be $45.00
Under this structure azoogle was paid $35 meaning 3,499 at the most, follow me?? Then azoogle turned around and paid affiliates $32, pocketing $3. Following? Good...
Now, how can they be paid $25 for 3,499 registrations?
Let's tell it how it is....
eBay's affiliate program is full of apple polishing people who get special deals that average joe's like you and me don't get.
October 1st, 2005, 10:29 PM #11
I think I am an average affiliate. Although this isn't true for my eBay affiliation, I do have other programs where I have special deals in place to be paid more than the advertised percentage rate. This is because I worked hard to really produce for these partners, and they have rewarded me for my hard work.
Like others have said. It is business. If somebody produces more than the average affiliate, then a merchant is free to strike special deals with that affiliate. It's not a way of screwing their other affiliates, it is a way of rewarding the ones that are making them more money.
October 1st, 2005, 10:29 PM #12
I can pretty much guarantee you that different affiliates get better deals with some merchants than I get. I can also guarantee you that I've worked out better deals with a few merchants than what you are getting.
Get the business, build the sales, then ask for a raise. That's what I like about this business: you want a raise, you build more pages or you find a way to increase your margin on the business you have.Following everyone else is a GREAT way to become average.
October 1st, 2005, 10:45 PM #13
This is going to go on forever... holyearth would apparently like a socialistic approach to affiliate marketing, but fortunately most of us are living in America.
October 2nd, 2005, 09:22 AM #14
Of course eBay is entitled to make whatever deals they want to with their partners, but what I take exception to is once again affiliates seem to be relegated to the bottom of the barrel.
I dislike this attitude, as it comes across that the affiliate channel doesn't contribute its fair share, and I think that's wrong.
October 2nd, 2005, 05:50 PM #15
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- August 16th, 2005
Did you ever think of calling someone (forget emailing the AM) at Ebay and saying "hey, i can get you x amount of new signups a month, let's make a deal". Your already starting off on the wrong foot by concluding they won't talk to you. I have "special deals" with many merchants because i simply tracked down the right person to call and told them what i had to offer.
October 2nd, 2005, 06:58 PM #16
Originally Posted by cjscooter
- Join Date
- January 18th, 2005
Put up some strong numbers and all of a sudden you have a LOT more clout with any merchant.
October 2nd, 2005, 07:23 PM #17
I don't think you guys are understanding the issue...
It's fine to call up and "arrange" special deals and all that .... we all do it ... (or try anyway )
what's not fine is when you arrange a special deal and the merchant doesn't offer that special deal to others...
ebay won't offer that to CJ affiliates, otherwise they could have done this:
1-499 $12.00 USD
500 - 2,999 $16.00 USD
3,000-3,500 $20.00 USD
3,501+ 25.00 USD
The issue here is that ebay should reward affiliate A for the same hard work as affiliate B. How flawed is it to pay affiliate A more just because he greased the right palms?
Bottom line, it's like Andy says, it shows that ebay's attitude is clearly to put affiliates at "the bottom of the barrel."
October 2nd, 2005, 09:32 PM #18
eBay is not the only "tactic" that they use to monetize that traffic... so there's more margin than meets the eye... it's got an ugly side that isn't obvious at first glance...
October 2nd, 2005, 10:50 PM #19
Originally Posted by holyearth
- Join Date
- January 18th, 2005
October 3rd, 2005, 07:32 AM #20
holyearth, you're forgetting one more thing. The bids and BINs might be worth more now and Azoogle is not paying for Bids and BINS. I saw this explanation on the eBay Affiliate forum over on eBay's site.
"Azoogle might earn $20 for each registration from eBay and assumingthat they earn atleast 1/4th of that as Revenue Share, that is another $5. So they might keep $2 for themselves and pay $23 to the Azoogle members"
In this case it is very much possible for Azoogle to pay $23 without having any kind of special deals with eBay. Even if they have a special deal, I think it is perfecty fine in this world of business.
I don't crib if Microsoft gives 50 percent discount to Fortune 500 companies and nothing to me. Show me some place where that kind of discount is listed. There is so much that is going that doesn't meet the eye and that is what business is all about.
October 3rd, 2005, 08:00 AM #21
because azoogle told me they get $25 per acru ...
Additionally if Microsoft gives a discount to fortune 500 companies it's because they order more than you'll ever order in your lifetime.
Now, if you ordered the same quantity wouldn't you expect the same deal?
October 3rd, 2005, 10:25 AM #22
Are you telling me that you are bringing the same number of registrations as Azoogle and still eBay is not paying you $25 per ACRU?
The comparison to Microsoft and Fortune 500 companies is to say that all companies do publish certain rates and at the same time do not publish certain rates when the volumes are high.
I am not saying that the eBay program is perfect but this not issue that you should be complaining about.
October 3rd, 2005, 04:36 PM #23
Okay, and Azoogle is going to bring more users to Ebay than you ever will in your lifetime. And Microsoft almost certainly has different deals in place with each of those Fortune 500 companies... they don't need to publish special rates if you buy 50,000 licenses, nor does Ebay need to publish certain rates for getting 3,500+ ACRUs a month. If you're getting that many, believe me, Ebay would be calling YOU to get a deal in place to keep you loyal to them.
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