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    Plunge into DARKNESS
    Google "Thin Affiliates" has truly rear its ugly head. Lets get a beer each and drink as the plunge into the darkness is getting deeper and deeper. Let me sob through this episode, it may take a while. Another beer please!!!!

    The cj fiasco has brought forward a many affiliates highlighting their grievances as well as their good performances. One member here indicated that $400 per day is his lowest while others are in the range of more than $500 to over thousands per day. This statement is a prelude to my problems and questions will be asked at the end and hoping that the experience members can provide some answers.

    Let me get another beer........

    After going through a series of trial and error, I started on a more serious note on affiliate marketing in early 2004. I do what others are doing, sign up with cj and start to design simple html web pages on a number of products. I just learn about seo, meta tags and a little of these and that and how to rank high on the serp. I am not a computer tech savy, so my design are all on simple html code. Whatever I do I am not able to get the main keywords to be ranked but only unknown keywords. It's ok with that, as by the middle of that year with around 80 pages I manage to get average 300 unique visitors per day and although the sales are not that many, I manage to earn about $300 to $400 per month including adsense (not a day mind you). I was quite satisfy with the performance as my aim was only to earn between $500 to $1000 a month....cheers, another beer please.

    I begin to produce more pages and the unique visitors rose to around 500 by Oct'04 and getting an average $500 per month, that's my initial target which I achieved. Than the unique vistors start to drop to around 300 in Dec and found that Yahoo is the main culprit. The unique visitors continue to slide to around 250 and maintain at that until July 2005. Than it start sliding again slowly to around 100 until last month. Hell break loose starting yesterday, 1st Oct, less than 10 unique visitors, everything lost into thin air........

    During these period of sliding visitors, I try to twig the pages, make amendments and changes but to no avail. What to do next? Is this the working of Google and Yahoo to rid of "Thin Affiliates"? and I am one of them. Beer please......more please....Where did I go wrong?

    There are two options for me now.

    To start a new site...a content site but.........

    PPC on the existing site, have never try it and understand if not properly use can cost you a bombshell.

    Now some questions for the expert affiliates who are making tons of money from cj, LS, SAS and others.

    How many just depend on SE to make it?

    How many have used PPC and other methods to make it?

    In one simple sentence, "HOW DO YOU DO IT"


    Thanks for reading this long and winding episode.

    Anyone care to share something?

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    I seems like you didn't do anything to retain your visitors. If they aren't coming back, they weren't impressed enough to bookmark your site. Google is pretty fair in that they give most everybody a chance at first. If the visitors they give you begin to post links to your site on their blogs and forums, Google will give you more. If your site doesn't catch on and earn consistent word of mouth traffic, Google will place another site in your position. The trick is to take the traffic Google gives you and run with it. If you let those customers slip away without bookmarking or registering, it's your loss. You can't expect to get free traffic forever. You need to get traffic from other sources in order to maintain your free traffic.

    Starting a new site may be one way to go. Just know that you'll get some free traffic up front, but unless your site can hold it's own without the free traffic it'll fall into darkness just as your first site did.

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    *clank* *clunk* *bam*
    *what was that?*
    *the sound of absolute-seeming statements being made in the face of glaring exceptions, like the fact that Amazon, which is mentioned all over the Net, doesn't always have #1s, or even visibility, for most of what they sell...*



    I think having multiple strategies--and multiple sites--is good insurance. Not foolproof, but better than just trend-following.

    Personally I think it does indeed sound like you need more links in. But, not necessarily from blogs and forums (although such links aren't bad)! But, it seems that links get "stale" and it does seem to help if there is an ongoing growth of links coming in, from somewhere or other (except from those lousy scraper sites. Those don't seem to do any good at all, and their scraping can actually be harmful.).

    However, like I mentioned above, that doesn't always work either. I've seen Amazon's listings both rise--and tank--and they get a lot of "free" (that is, non-affiliate coded) links and mentions all the time.

    Part of the free engines will always have a casino quality to them, IMO.
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    It would seem you didn't learn lesson number one.
    Do not rely on Google to make you money.

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    In order to keep your current revenues coming in, and also to make them increase, you must work all the time.

    Link building for the existing websites.
    Build new content.
    Build new websites.
    Start working in new industries.

    The AM is a very dynamic industry: today you are king, and the next day you are poor again.

    Work Work Work! And never lose faith!

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    Don't give up. Have more beer. Contemplate what the local businesses do to generate traffic in your area. Cultivate your local population base. Like Snib says retain your visitors. Give them a reason to come back. Ask yourself "Would I come back to my own site and why?".
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    Quote Originally Posted by megatonloh
    How many just depend on SE to make it?
    I will venture to say that nobody who is making a living at affiliate marketing is depending 100% on the SERPS for traffic. If they are, they have a very volatile income. Use a combination of SEO, PPC and anything else you can think of to promote your web site. This will give you more consistent results month in and month out.
    Look for creative ways to promote your site. Make bumper stickers and have your friends and family out them on their cars. Do anything else you can to put your site in front of people.
    Best of luck!


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    megatonloh,

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    To megatonloh: Start a new site - make it a QUALITY site that people will want to come back to. If it is GOOD enough, be it sales, information, etc. and people will have a tendancy to bookmark it and return to it, then you can start PPC campaigns on both Google and Yahoo. Put as much time as needed to make it quality. If the site is good enough, don't worry about ROI when you first start the PPC - eventually it will be worth it. This will free you from the whims of the software engineers at google and yahoo.
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    Hear ye, hear ye, I hear ye all. Thank you all for your inputs.

    This related thread http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread.php?t=64103 as provided by Kellie also helps a lot.

    I will study through all the inputs and learn more from other threads and start all over again but still keeping the old site with changes here and there, hoping it will turn alive again

    Thanks

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    Hello again,

    I need a little help about Adwords cpc. I am holding a joker and going for broke.

    While preparing a new site, I feel I need to try and cash in a little for the year end sales. So I sign up with google adwords cpc. I only use one page of the old site which had given me some sales before.

    I had placed about thirty five targeted keywords, mostly with [ ]. My max bid is 28cents.

    I started about ten days ago and daily there are average 150 impressions but so far only 1 click and they charge me 26 cents. The only click did turn into a sale.

    Now my questions are:

    Why is there no click at all?

    My max bid is 28cents but that click cost me 26 cents, anything wrong here?

    Am I doing it right?

    Should I increase the bid or let it be or add more keywords?

    Thanks

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