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    Anyone having problems with the new Borg...er I mean Microsoft Internet Explorer 6? I am having a hell of a time trying to help an affiliate get their stats and I am wondering if that may be one of the problems.


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    I have this from linkshare.

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    ...if you use frames on your web site to display a merchant's site, you should make sure that your merchants are IE 6 compliant. When you use frames on your web site, the merchant's return day cookies become third party cookies and are blocked, unless the merchant is IE 6 compliant. This is true regardless of the affiliate program provider.


    Hope this may help.

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    It's to do with privacy settings and some complex coding that IE6 requires to specify a web site's privacy before tracking can take place.

    Frankly a pain in the butt, but I think the merchant needs to do it rather than the publisher.

    Most of my individual sales come through Amazon which is session-based rather than cookie-based so it make not much difference.

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    This is how my website is(was) done. When a visitor clicks on a merchnant, I use(d) frames for the merchants website to show. Then I read this post and decided not to have this in frames. I've done this cause I was suspicious of loosing sales because of the frames and IE6. Then I looked at my stats for today the "Browsers and Platforms" at which I never paid too much attention. Here is what I found:

    IE 6.x = 43.18%

    What the.... And all the time I thought those percentages were much, much lower. Then I did a quick check for the last few days and guess what!? Every day it was more than 30% of the visitors that used IE6.

    God damn it! There is no wonder I have no sales these last few days. And somehow I KNOW that there is just a few merchants that are IE6 compliant.

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    Alexbet,

    This subject is also on the agenda for the Wednesday Update (9pm EST).

    We all remember when Todd Crawford told us that CJ is IE6 and php compliant ... well guess what ...

    Haiko

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    Less than 10% of my traffic has IE6...(I just checked, and quick!)

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    What about url forwarding?

    I have domains that I don't host just forward to one of my other sites directories.

    Some with the url in the browser some not.

    Are these affected by ie6 as well?

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    quote:
    Originally posted by Haiko:
    Alexbet,

    This subject is also on the agenda for the Wednesday Update (9pm EST).

    We all remember when Todd Crawford told us that CJ is IE6 and php compliant ... well guess what ...

    Haiko



    The above was way back in November. Has anything changed so we know are they compliant or not? I had to make a lot of clicks to a product in a frameset page yesterday to test it, and so far no impressions or hits have showed on CJ.

    If they still don't later, would it be dumb to buy something from one of your own frameset pages to see if the sale shows up even if hits and impressions don't? Or do you already know, they won't?

    Confused Rosie!


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    "If they still don't later, would it be dumb to buy something from one of your own frameset pages to see if the sale shows up even if hits and impressions don't?~Rosie"

    That depends on whether you'd ever use the product in question, and, if you wouldn't use it, whether it's worth it to you to buy something you ordinarily wouldn't have to KNOW whether it's tracking or not.

    Personally I limit my purchases to things I would actually want, but if the item's cheap enough it may be worth it for your peace of mind to go ahead and buy even if you wouldn't want it. In that case, pick something that you can give away so you can get SOME use out of it...

    Although I myself go by whether the merchant is converting or not. Are sales appearing in my account? If not, the reason why isn't something I'm too concerned about. I'm too busy dumping them and getting a merchant that CAN convert on the page! (I do have dedicated sales pages where I can predict that there'll be a sale approximately every XX page views...if the impression count looks fishy I can go by my log files to get a Close Enough estimate of the conversion ratio.)

    I just thought of something--if you clicked the links yesterday, the hits and imps will now be in Yesterday's report, not today's! Make sure you're looking at the data for the right time period...

    As for the IE6 issue I don't have any info to add, sorry...

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    Just to add to the confusion:

    I think anyone who uses framesets needs to test all their merchants out using frames and IE 6.0. This is because, despite what Todd or David has mentioned before here at ABW, some of my CJ merchants are showing these sort of cookies being blocked according to the privacy reports at the medium (default) setting on IE 6.0:
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/?AID=xxx&PID=xxx
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/cj.asp?AID=xxx&PID=xxx

    There are also a couple of CJ merchants that showed the privacy report red thingie, but only with non-essential cookies being blocked:
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/default.asp
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com

    Others, the majority of CJ merchants on my site, thankfully are clean.

    I have far fewer Performics and AffiliateWindow merchants on this site of mine that uses framesets, but almost all of them are showing the red thingie with non-essential cookies being blocked:
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/default.asp
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/cart.html

    I have also experimented with an independent merchant using frames and IE 6.0, and the red thingie showed up in its full glory with such cookies being blocked:
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/default.asp?aid=123
    e.g. http://www.merchantsname.com/content.asp

    Now if I understand correctly, the above probably means that CJ, Performics and AffiliateWindow or their cookie serving/tracking partners - qksrv.net, clickserve.cc-dt.com, and awin1.com respectively, are all P3P compliant, because none of their cookies are being blocked.

    But what I don't understand is the first 2 blocked cookies I mentioned above: http://www.merchantsname.com/?AID=xxx&PID=xxx
    http://www.merchantsname.com/cj.asp?AID=xxx&PID=xxx

    Are these essential cookies (the one that tracks our sales/leads/clicks and also the one that defines the visitor return-days)? Or are they solely for the merchant's own tracking purposes? And BTW, these cookies won't show up as blocked without a frame.

    I have always thought the Third Party Cookie issue is a "non-issue" for networks like CJ, Performics and AffiliateWIndow, because they (or their partners like qksrv) do their own tracking/serving of cookies, now I'm not so sure.

    I haven't bothered to test on my merchants from LinkShare, because LinkShare has written that email as mentioned by Guffy. So they are all unframed on my site.

    As for Be Free merchants, I couldn't care less one way or another as I'll be dropping all of them from my sites anyway, since none of them pays even after the full 45 day pay-period has lapsed.

    Haiko, may I ask what exactly did you mean by "the agenda for the Wednesday Update"? Perhaps Todd or David is updating us on the issue here at ABW?

    Well, they ought to, I think, rather than us affiliates trying to figure/guess things out all by ourselves.

    BTW, Haiko, did you know that ABW is showing up blocked cookies even without a frame??


    Cheers,
    Wan

    [ 02-16-2002: Message edited by: TianTian ]

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    Leader, the hits and impressions still aren't tracking even for yesterday so I bought something useful but unpopular and sale showed up an hour later. BTW, I just realized an item on an unframed page that gets about 200 hits a day shows as having no impressions (or hits) for the whole month. It's in the $300 bracket and gets targeted hits. A product # furnished by the Merchant, so I know that's not an encoding problem and am using the "1" image.

    TianTian, thanks for your suggestion too.
    Guess I should do that!

    Rosie

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    TianTian,

    The "Wednesday Update" was a telephone appointment I had with CJ about a few things, and I would ask them about it at the time.

    They did answer on the board and they did say they were compliant, but I know many people continued to have / still have problems with the cookies being registered.

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    ABW is showing up blocked cookies


    Elaborate please.

    Haiko

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    34% of my February traffic used IE6.0

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    Haiko,

    I'm seeing these sort of blocked cookies everytime I visit ABW with the privacy policy set to default:
    http://i01.netscape.com/c.cgi?A12345...in/ubb/ultimat ebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=xx

    It's got something to do with your Hitometer. But I'm not sure if that means someone using IE 6.0 would not be tracked because of it.


    Cheers,
    Wan

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    TianTian,

    TY, I'll fix it.

    Haiko

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    Fixed

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    Yep! Indeed.

    If only we could have someone like you working at CJ, LinkShare, Be Free and whatnot... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]


    Cheers,
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    For those of us who don't frame, there is still the problem of being framed. I stopped adding the line of js that bumps a page out of frames when I left 50megs.com,but while looking at logs I saw a small but significant amount of traffic coming from AskJeeves. When I checked it out... yup my page is framed!

    Now will that make all my links show up as third pary cookie makers?

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    the line of js that bumps a page out of frames
    Webmistress, could you pretty please share what that is?

    Elisabeth

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    quote:
    I stopped adding the line of js that bumps a page out of frames

    I actually done the opposite of that so people who visited a page were forced into the frame set...

    You can put this small piece of code.

    To force page INTO frameset :

    onLoad="if (top == self) top.location.href = 'http://YOUR URL';"


    To force OUT OF frameset :

    onLoad="if (top != self) top.location.href = 'http://YOUR URL/page.htm';"


    This code goes into the BODY tag on your pages.

    [ 02-17-2002: Message edited by: fish ]

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