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    what happened to the candlepeople and cheesepeople forum?
    hmm, what happened to these forums? I thought that the Affiliate Manager was pretty active when I left? I saw some posts about people dropping them due to bad conversions? anyone update me on what happened with them?

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    It melted to a little burnt wick and the cheese moved to the moon.

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    I don't know Jason (btw good to see you posting again, how you feelin?). Other folks have wondered the same thing. But no word from Andrew. I have a new gourmet food site and wanted to include cheesepeople, but I'm not putting up one link until I hear something good from someone.

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    I don't usually like to dredge up old threads, but did we ever find out anything conclusive on what happened to these guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrrl
    I don't usually like to dredge up old threads, but did we ever find out anything conclusive on what happened to these guys?
    -John.
    I don't know what's happening to them but I remember they were one of the first "merchants" to promote the abuse of Search Engines by their affiliates. Their aim was to saturate the SERPs with their power tools using their data feeds.
    Two years after their appearance at ABW, is it working? NO.
    They had two product lines, cheeses and candles.
    Cheesesupply.com had an Alexa rank of around 50 000 in 1994, not bad
    They are nowhere to be found now with a rank below 6 or 700 000.
    discountcandleshop.com had an Alexa rank of around 20 000 in 1994, great
    They have a rank below 200 000 in 2006. Barely enough to make a sale.

    Just a warning for merchants wishing to push the coverage too much.

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    Their aim was to saturate the SERPs with their power tools using their data feeds.
    Two years after their appearance at ABW, is it working? NO.
    HOLD IT. This tries to force a connection that doesn't appear to exist.
    EDITED! Waitaminnit, I just saw what YEAR you were talking about for those "great" Alexa ranks!

    1st off: in 1994 there weren't many sites in existance period. So "40000" might have been awful! And if it wasn't, it wouldn't have taken much at all to rise then.

    Better to look at figures that come from a relevant time period!

    *Checks*
    Not in the top 100,000 since 2002. So big deal, he wasn't up there then, and he's not now. NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

    And right now he's got PR 6 so he's not banned.

    And BTW it's not "abuse" to want saturation. This isn't some nicey-nice grade school game. There are no points for interfering with your own sales potential.

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    Leader - If he'd kept his aff program healthy, chances are he would have even more awesome Alexa ranks right now than he started with--regardless of what the engines thought of his own sites.
    The forum closed, and some affs took their links down. He still have his affiliate programs running for cheeses and candles.
    As much as I like ABW, I don't think his activities were impacted by the closing of his forum, (at least not at that level).

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    See my edits. After I made the original post, I saw the stacked-deck comparison with 1994 you were doing. How many sites were on the net then, 40,000? Such old figures mean absolutely nothing. Currently there are billions of sites online!

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    I should edit my post:

    I said 1994, it's wrong I mean 2004, sorry for that:

    "I don't know what's happening to them but I remember they were one of the first "merchants" to promote the abuse of Search Engines by their affiliates. Their aim was to saturate the SERPs with their power tools using their data feeds.
    Two years after their appearance at ABW, is it working? NO.
    They had two product lines, cheeses and candles.
    Cheesesupply.com had an Alexa rank of around 50 000 in 2004, not bad
    They are nowhere to be found now with a rank below 6 or 700 000.
    discountcandleshop.com had an Alexa rank of around 20 000 in 2004, great
    They have a rank below 200 000 in 2006. Barely enough to make a sale."

    Cheesesupply.com Online Since: 17-Mar-2003
    discountcandleshop.com Online Since: 27-Sept-2002

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    Oh, 2004, okay.

    Disclaimer: I am not trying to defend, vouch for, or otherwise make a defense of the company Candlepeople.com or its operator(s). In fact, they didn't pass my sniff test, although it's been too long to remember the precise reasons for that now.

    I AM, however, going to dispute the SE-related assertion that it "did not work" to use that method to raise traffic.

    DiscountCandleShop's Alexa rating HERE
    Looks like a great run and well worth it, 2003-2005.

    (I had originally checked the name DiscountCandle.com, which has the flatline, [because that's the name I remembered and I misread the OP] but I see that DCS did indeed have decent Alexa ranks until last year.)

    But as for saying it "didn't work" because the run ended, that's horsefeathers. It certainly DID WORK and it looks like it worked damned well, or he wouldn't have had that Alexa ranking in 2004 and 2005 (unless he sat there with the toolbar on and hit Refresh a few gajillion times every day for years, anyway)!!

    So the algo changed and he tanked along with affs with similarly-constructed sites, big deal, he joins a throng who've had the same thing happen. Thing is people with all kinds of sites and all kinds of strategies end up at the bottom of the SERPs at some point.

    I will admit that releasing an easily fingerprintable set of tools to go along with the feed wasn't exactly a bright bulb move. That almost certainly caused an overly narrow range of variety which could have cut short the run. On the other hand, I've seen G-runs of other companies end for no discernable reason, other than that Goof apparently was sick of looking at the same merchants in their listings.

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    http://www.discountcandleshop.com/ "There currently are 195 guests online."

    Their PR is 6. Not bad.

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    Their PR is 5 with my Google Bar.
    If you run a business you're more concerned by traffic (Alexa rank) than PR.

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    http://www.database-search.com/sys/pre-check-en.php
    http://www.discountcandleshop.com

    Determined PageRank: 6


    The determined PageRank appears to be real.

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    I'm seeing PR5 on the homepage and PR3 on the interior pages

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    I'm seeing PR5 on the homepage and PR3 on the interior pages
    Google is still the best indicator for their page rank: 5
    I tried also
    http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php Current 5
    http://www.rustybrick.com/pagerank-prediction.php Current 5
    http://www.iwebtool.com/pagerank_prediction Current 5 Prediction 4
    http://www.seochat.com/seo-tools/future-pagerank/ 5 on a dozen datacenters

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    pr means nothing I have plenty of pr 5 sites that get no traffic and pr 3 sites that are rockin' with traffic....so who cares what their pr is. A couple of good high pr links in and you have good pr not nececelery traffic....traffic is all that matters, then pr for spidering frequency by google...(all my opinion from doing)

    Anyway they are prolly around for the long haul. I'm sure they are doing sales with or without a forum here.
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