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    Affiliate Manager Lionstail's Avatar
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    CJ Pushing Shareasale?
    I recently applied to put my affiliate program in CJ. I was very surprised to receive a rejection letter (though I'm still going to try to fight my way in). Even more curious was that a couple of minutes after my rejection, I received another email, recommending that I join Shareasale. It was a nice gesture on their part, but I didn't see it coming. Check out the two messages below:

    Hi David,

    Thank you for your interest in Commission Junction. At this point, we do not feel that Commission Junction is a good fit for your business. Commission Junction looks to partner with sites that are generating a minimum of $250,000 per month in online revenue. Typically, well-established brands with proven track records in online marketing and the ability to convert online traffic into customers have the most success in our network.

    We recommend that you consider developing your online marketing efforts by focusing more on search engine marketing (SEM) and purchase keywords on sites like Yahoo! and Google. This will allow you to begin to develop the sales history needed for us to better gauge the effectiveness of partnering together in the future. After you have had more success with SEM and developed your business further, we would be happy to re-evaluate our potential for working together successfully.

    Commission Junction is very careful when evaluating prospective new clients because we are interested in providing value to our advertiser clients as well as our network of publishers. We have a vested interest in ensuring that every offer placed in our network is successful and we are reluctant to market offers that may not perform at the level we or our publishers expect. We appreciate your understanding and want to emphasize that our decision is in no way a reflection on you or your business.

    Sincerely,

    Mike
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    Hi David,
    I have included a link to another well-known affiliate network below that offers similar technology and can be more cost effective. This network has a lower start-up cost and no monthly minimum fees. Joining a smaller affiliate network is a good way to see if this marketing channel is a good fit for your business without much risk.

    Shareasale.com

    Regards,

    Mike Harnish
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    Outsourced Program Manager Angel Djambazov's Avatar
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    hmmm...that's interesting. I am not sure if it has anything to do with it, but Mike Harnish is our sales contact at CJ who has been attempting to move us over. Much of my conversation with Mike as of late has been about the confidence I have in Brian and ShareASale as a network despite the fact they are not as big as CJ...
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    Again, the size of the network that a program is on only matters if the AM does not plan on stepping outside of the network in search of publishers.

    If the Affiliate Manager has the right promotional ideas and capabilities, it clearly does not matter if you are on a network or not, much less what network you are on. Has Amazon ever been on a network? How many affiliates do you think they have? A million? More?

    The fact that you are on Shareasale will result in more reliable affiliates.

    Best of luck Crunchy


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    Outsourced Program Manager Angel Djambazov's Avatar
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    Scooter is right. There are plenty of ways to grow a program regardless of whether you are with a network or not. The relative size comment is more indicative of how CJ views themselves then of how I view CJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onlineshoes MGR
    The relative size comment is more indicative of how CJ views themselves then of how I view CJ.
    Bingo.

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    I actually applaud CJ on this. Most companies won't reffer a client they "turn down" to another highly respected solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    Again, the size of the network that a program is on only matters if the AM does not plan on stepping outside of the network in search of publishers.

    If the Affiliate Manager has the right promotional ideas and capabilities, it clearly does not matter if you are on a network or not, much less what network you are on. Has Amazon ever been on a network? How many affiliates do you think they have? A million? More?

    The fact that you are on Shareasale will result in more reliable affiliates.

    Best of luck Crunchy
    My sentiments exactly. I've had this same conversation with numerous merchants. I also wrote a number or posts here with this and then changed my mind as it sounded like a shameless plug for my biz. I believe that those affiliates who are making money at this likely have an account at SAS, well except our favorite parasites, of course, since SAS won't allow them. Producing affiliates know their industry and they know the networks as well.
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    It sounds to me like CJ are only looking for the very big companies that usually welcome all the parasites CJ will promote to them.

    As we all know the CJ promotion scripts are a load of bloody hogwash, crap, lies, untruths, waffle, horsecrap and just plain bullshit, we know they also lie by omission on many subjects regarding the parasites. We also know they never tell their merchants just how the parasites steal from both themselves and their affiliates.

    It would not surprise me to find out sometime in 2006 that CJ (if not the whole of ValueClick) was bought out by a parasite or a group of them and is run just to cream off and steal as much as possible for the parasites.

    (edited to add) I forgot to add at least they had the decency to refer them to a honest network and not another parsite riddled network like themselves.
    One day parasites and their ilk will be made illegal, I bet a few Lawyers will be pissed off when the day comes.
    Mr. Spitzer is fetching it nearer

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    Lite On The Do, Heavy On The Nuts Donuts's Avatar
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    Great post Gordon! Loved reading it!

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    it's pretty cool to see that. CJ turns away lots of merchants. That's good for Brian.

    Ironically, Be Free sent clients to CJ all the time back in the day.

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    CJ Pushing Shareasale?
    Why not?
    Commission Junction looks to partner with sites that are generating a minimum of $250,000 per month in online revenue.
    Given the fact that CJ is a bigger network, if that's the truth minimum they require for ALL their NEW Merchants, I have no problem with that.
    Commission Junction is very careful when evaluating prospective new clients because we are interested in providing value to our advertiser clients as well as our network of publishers.
    Except for this part "as well as our network of publishers" the rest is true.
    We have a vested interest in ensuring that every offer placed in our network is successful.
    I can agree with that.
    and we are reluctant to market offers that may not perform at the level we or our publishers expect
    Well, that will depends on what publishers they are talking about.

    If they are talking about their publishers like €bates and the other parasites, I guess that they are been very honest on the way they want to make their offers.

    But, if they are talking about the regular honest Affiliates (or publishers) here on ABW and all over the net, then they're not playing with the full deck of cards, because they're keeping the ace of clubs up their sleeves.

    After a while we may all learn how to count the cards, and beat the cheating dealer at their own game, but some of us may decide that it's not ethical to cheat in the game of cards, and because of our honest conscience we won't sit on that table.

    Some of us may leave that Casino for good because of some cheating card dealers but, since there are other gambling games on that big place, some of us honest players may decide to stick around and try the other games and try our luck with those.

    Yes, we all know that the house always win, and that those doing the cheating may even have the house blessing and encouragement of the house owner , but it's also true that in order to win, some times we have to test different games on that Casino before we decide to never go back to that place.

    If for whatever reason anyone have a problem with this post I made, just remember this before you bash me:

    If you see your dog, or any other dog swallowing your diamond wedding ring, you will have to go through a pile of in order to get it back, so it's true that some times we must step on before we reach THAT DOOR, whether it's the New Opportunity Door or just the Exit Door, we just have to make sure it's not a Trap Door.

    I personally still have the time to keep on digging , so I will not quit "Three Feet From Gold", like someone else did long ago, according to what I read on a chapter of a good old book.


    Sal.

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    What a load of crap that CJ only brings on merchants doing 250K/monthly in sales. I'd say there are many there who don't book the minimum monthly commission payout and have to cough up the difference. I'd be hard pressed to imagine some merchant like WillyGoat toys even books $500,000 in annual sales with or without affiliates.
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    For a typical mercant (paying 5-10% commissions and generating 10-20% of their sales through their affiliate program), they would need to be at about $100-300k in monthly sales for the CJ minimum network fee not to be a factor. Merchants smaller than that probably wouldn't be happy with CJ's fees, so I can see how it would make sense to turn away (or at least discourage) those merchants from joining.
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    Happy Ending
    I just want to update the group that it looks like I'll be able to go ahead with CJ afterall. I contacted them, explained that I was not a newbie at this, that I understood all of the costs and had realistic expectations for the service.

    I frankly give them a lot of credit for this. They saw a company that they thought might be overreaching by going for their services, they recommended a less expensive alternative, and then they were willing to reconsider based on additional information.

    Nice to see this had a happy ending.

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