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    Google vs. government
    Anyone else see this? What’s your opinion?

    Google vs. government
    Published: 2006-01-19

    In a move to bolster its case against pornography, the Bush administration requested an order from a federal judge yesterday which would force Google to reveal information about surfing habits.

    The court papers detail Google's refusal to reveal data, including all searches made on Google in any one-week period, and 1 million random URLs. Counsel for Google has vowed to fight the government in order to preserve trade secrets and the privacy of its users.

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    Comments are opinion unless otherwise noted. Remember, pillage first. Then burn. Half of all people in the world have IQs under 100. You best learn to trust ol' SSanf!

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    Here is the link, don't know if it will work, if it dose not just google the title of this thread.

    http://news.google.com/news?q=google...ab=nn&oi=newsr

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    I hope Google kicks their nosey butts!
    Comments are opinion unless otherwise noted. Remember, pillage first. Then burn. Half of all people in the world have IQs under 100. You best learn to trust ol' SSanf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSanf
    I hope Google kicks their nosey butts!
    I totally agree with you!

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    I hope Google loses. I hate Google, and it is high time they start being held accountable for being "the most used search engine" - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh HA - HA!
    [B][COLOR=Red]I look forward to Google's demise[/COLOR][/B]
    Look who is suing Google - [URL=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=google+gets+sued]click here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=google+gets+sued&FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0]here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=google+gets+sued&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8]here[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker Jones
    I hope Google loses. I hate Google, and it is high time they start being held accountable for being "the most used search engine" - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh HA - HA!
    Yeah, lets give up all our rights because you build pages google doesn't like and want to demand they change, not you. Yeah, lets do that!

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    And this bit of info:
    Yahoo Gave Search Data To Bush Administration Lawyers
    http://www.informationweek.com/news/...leID=177102061

    Say hello to more cookie bashing.

    Thanks!

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    I want the Goverment to win this one
    not because I want personal info out there but because maybe if the Goverment wins Google will stop with its data collecting.

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    Maybe the Feds have finally woken up to the fact that every known, and unknown, Mass murderer were/are all practicing sexual deviants. The murderous sexual deviants now amongst us probably all Google in their spare time, when not practicing their trade in the dead of night out of the public's prying eyes.
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    What really gets me is that they hide their real goal, by saying in is all for the “Child Online Protection Act” no one thinks children should be looking at the stuff. But it’s not the responsibility of the government, parents should be watching their kids!

    That is not want they want anyway, it’s just a excuse for them to try and get legislation in place one small step at a time to regulate the Internet and its content. Just like the income tax, when first created it was only 1% and was only to be for a limited time. Look where we are now. Just get one foot in the door, and the other is not far behind.

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    I tend to agree with the theory that , however worthy the reason they are stating, the government are only looking for a way to get Big Brother-type access to our every move so that they can start taxing transactions on the Internet. The police already have the right, and use it, to seize a suspect computer and investiage a person's surfing history under the right circumstances. There is no need for the entire country's activities to be in the hands of the government.

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    Google is making themselves look like they are fighting, but we all know that the info was given to big brother a long time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electropulse
    Google is making themselves look like they are fighting, but we all know that the info was given to big brother a long time ago.
    I don't know. Your source?

    Google says "It objected to the Justice Department's request on the grounds that it could disclose trade secrets and was overbroad, unduly burdensome, vague and intended to harass." (Source: News.com)

    Other than revealing their trade secrets, I cannot think of a reason why Google would not provide this information, as long as personally identifable information is withheld, to help government develop laws that will potentially protect its citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lurker Jones
    I hope Google loses. I hate Google, and it is high time they start being held accountable for being "the most used search engine" - ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-aaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh HA - HA!
    LOL I knew it'd make your day for Goofle to have to fight off the government!
    And I would have been laughing too...but then I found out what the gov't wants.

    F that noise, Big Brother can look on WordTracker like the rest of us, if he wants to know what people are searching for. WTF kind of idiot would demand an entire XX Billion-listing database (demand later scaled back, but still)?!

    Personally when I first heard about there being a govm't case against google, I was hoping that the story would be that, they'd buried some Att'y General's brother's page down at Listing #999999, and that an investigation had "coincidentally" happened

    But, no such luck.
    I'll save my schadenfreude for a better case...

    Quote Originally Posted by SamBay
    to help government develop laws that will potentially protect its citizens.
    Problem is, when the govm't starts regulating in areas it barely understands--like the Internet--things have at least an equal chance of becoming utterly fubarred (usually in some costly debacle) as they do of offering any "protection."
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    Come on - Actually trying to decide on which evil one wants to side with?!

    Don't vote for G**gle just because you don't like the governement or Bush. I am going to watch these two dogs duke it out from the sidelines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhea
    Google wins in that scenario only because all the butt kissers at wmw are rootin' for their sugar daddy.
    [B][COLOR=Red]I look forward to Google's demise[/COLOR][/B]
    Look who is suing Google - [URL=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=google+gets+sued]click here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=google+gets+sued&FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0]here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=google+gets+sued&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8]here[/URL]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Bay
    I don't know. Your source?
    Google Watch
    [B][COLOR=Red]I look forward to Google's demise[/COLOR][/B]
    Look who is suing Google - [URL=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=google+gets+sued]click here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=google+gets+sued&FORM=MSNH&srch_type=0]here[/URL] and [URL=http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=google+gets+sued&fr=FP-tab-web-t&toggle=1&cop=&ei=UTF-8]here[/URL]

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    Problem is, folks, there are two big brothers when Alvin Toffler left us looking over our shoulder for just one.

    When the folks in Washington wake up to realize the private information Brother Google can probably disgourge on them I'll bet they back off real quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiznot
    Problem is, folks, there are two big brothers when Alvin Toffler left us looking over our shoulder for just one.

    When the folks in Washington wake up to realize the private information Brother Google can probably disgourge on them I'll bet they back off real quick.
    I agree with most of this statement. It is G**g's business to know as much as they can about everything. And so far they have gone on almost unchecked.

    Think of the other fun and exciting businesses that G**g can get involved in:

    • Banking information.
    • DMV information (disguised as a service to help you find flaws in automobiles one is going to buy or boyfriends one is going to marry).
    • Images and details about your home and what goes on there (disguised as a service for the real estate industry) I can already go and get a picture of your roof and yard)
    • Health Records Anything that has become public (and perhaps more) will be part of the information.
    • Public Police Records Do you know what sorts of information they keep down at the PD with your name on it - that is available to the general public? - Surprise!


    You get the idea. These are all no-brainers, and I'll bet I've only scratched the surface.

    Think about this stuff while you are typing your terms into your G**gl tool bar (just up ^^ there).

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    If the government wants it badly enough, they'll get it. Even Google can't fight the US government, not forever anyway.

    I think some of this information could be useful for crimefighting and other specific uses. As for the government having full access willy-nilly, I am against it. But I maintain that if they insist long enough they will get it. M$ held them off for several years, but the government eventually won.

    I think Google should cooperate after some negotiation to make the information requests more targetted. I think a Google who is friendly with the US government is better for all of us than a G who is sidetracked by constant issues with the gov't.


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    Yup. And who's to say G**g isn't already getting something?

    Fred

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    I'm not a big fan of Google but that doesn't bias my opinion. I think google should fight and make the government be very detail and specific about what they want to obtain, simple because bending at big governments will without a little resistance incourage them to seek more and more of different types of information. We all know the words "vagueness" and "loophole" is synonymous with government actions.

    I'm really interested in why Mircosoft rolled over so easy without question as to what exact information is being sought, because they have more to protect.

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