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    Having trouble getting your site into DMOZ? Theres an interesting, but long thread about what kinds of sites get in and how many listings they get.

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=53712

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    Strange things are afoot at the Circle DMOZ....
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    that was a bloody long thread.
    But a good read
    I always said they were corupt
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    I never trust Digitalpoint when it comes to the ODP.

    Adult is a relatively unknown part of the ODP - call it the "dark side". It's always been there, and it does just about cover everything you could possibly think of. It's a backwater though - the pages have low PageRank and generate very little traffic. You have to *know* that it's there or search for specific keywords.

    Mostly, delays in listing are because you're stuck somewhere behind 25,000 other submissions. Sometimes you come face to face with ODP guidelines which are not necessarily what webmasters want (I think Neil has come across this).

    However, if you see something suspicious - report it using the ODP tool: http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/
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    Hello Dynamoo
    I didnt think it would be long before you
    were here.
    you know my opinion on Dmoz.
    and i think they are right.[digital point]
    no matter how much you try to discredit them.
    you know as a Dmoz editer, that there is deep coruption
    within.
    Why did a porn site,, no sorry not 1, but many porn sites
    get so many listings. ???
    NO !! why did it get listed at all
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    If DMOZ is to be considered a true "catalog" of the internet, then I guess an Adult section is needed. (Not illegal sites mind you... that's different).

    However, it still is concerning that overall it appears that as an organization, it appears DMOZ is not unilateral in it's enforcement of it's own policies.

    But, if you consider their Tagline as being the "human editted directory", it by it's very own description, will be flawed. All things touched by we humans will always be flawed.

    It's a monumental undertaking, and policing it is even more of a monumental undertaking.

    My hope is that appropriate action will taken.

    And that one of my sites, someday, will get in just once... Not all of them... I'd really just settle for one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil
    you know as a Dmoz editer, that there is deep coruption
    within.
    "Deep corruption" is one of the ODP myths. Corruption is relatively rare. Generally, if a site is not listed the way somebody want it, then that it not corruption. If a site hasn't been reviewed yet, then it's not corruption.

    Bear in mind that may sites are deeplinked for content though.. to take an extreme example, there are 230,000 listings for CNN (which is a *lot*). I guess that free image galleries count as content, and that part of the directory is very diverse in it's topics.

    Out of curiosity, I did what *any* ODP editor can do, and I looked at a sample of the edit logs. Out of 10 URLs I looked at, it turns out that they were listed by no less than seven editors. One editor had listed 3 deeplinks - that's a senior editor in that part of the directory with 60,000 edits under their belt.

    Digitalpoint *always* whinges about the ODP. They're a real tinfoil hat brigade in my opinion. It's all part of the grand unified ODP conspiracy or something.
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    The first rule of an ODP editor when the ODP is being attacked.
    Take the credibility away from the site or person who is attacking you.
    Then , find an example to prove them wrong.

    so many times have i seen the ODP accuse the complainer as ,,
    disgruntled Ex ODP editor, webmaster ,site owner , affiliate .

    you cant use the amount of listings that CNN have
    as a comparison to the amount of listings a child porn, and other pedophilia sites have listed on DMOZ .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil
    so many times have i seen the ODP accuse the complainer as ,,
    disgruntled Ex ODP editor, webmaster ,site owner , affiliate ..
    Well, there's probably a reason for that..

    you cant use the amount of listings that CNN have
    as a comparison to the amount of listings a child porn, and other pedophilia sites have listed on DMOZ .
    CNN is a extreme example of deeplinking - that particular part of the directory carries a lot of deeplinks under special interest categories. The relevant question in the Digitalpoint forum is this - does any site merit that many deeplinks? Apparently, this site does, according to many different editors.

    I've seen no indication that any of these sites being referred to are illegal. In my view distasteful and morally questionable, yes, but illegal...? And there are plenty of mechanisms for reporting sites with illegal content, which I'd urge you to follow if you see it.
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    many people (at least that I interact with) are giving up on DMOZ.. whether or not there are corruptions or biases present I can't claim one way or the other.. I simply do not know and I won't claim otherwise... but I do know human nature, and politics/biases do not even escape research....

    as far as the digitalpoint thread.. ah so/so. i didn't get to far in...after my popup blocker is initiated more than once I get annoyed and leave sites like that.

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    Well, really most webmasters' interactions with the ODP should go something along these lines:

    Create a listable site (i.e. not an affiliate or mirror site, and one that has something unique to offer), find the CORRECT category to submit it to, and then submit it with a good description that meets the ODP guidelines and fits in the other listings in the category. And then wait.. possibly for a *long* time.

    A classic newbie mistake is to not spend enough time doing the submission - if you submit to the WRONG category then your listing will most likely be substantially delayed. Spend some time looking through the directory to find the right place to submit too.

    Descriptions are a common source of contention too - but the vast majority of submissions don't have a description that can be used as a listing, so the editor normally rewrites it. If that happens, then the description may not be as accurate as you were hoping (since there may be hundreds of unreviewed sites that the editor is trying to get through). Again, spend some time writing a good description.

    So file it, and forget about it. An ODP listing is not the be-all-and-end-all of website promotion - so carry on with promoting your site in all the ways you can think of. If your site is good enough and has a decently high profile, then it's quite possible that you'll get listed anyway. Quite a lot of sites get picked up from Slashdot, Digg, Del.icio.us and other popular places.
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    OR.... you could submit a site called cherryboys.com.
    upload over a 100 distasteful and morally questionable pics.....
    but legal images.. and get listed over a 100 times
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    That would count as a content rich site, I guess.

    Who knows, maybe there's a niche for semi-clad affiliate marketers?
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