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  1. #1
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    I recently signed up for a program called Ads4Pay.

    Sent an email out and got over 340 to sign up so far. It was FREE to join.

    They pay you to advertise - made $10 so far and the program has been open only 1 week.

    It looks like it's going to make some good money long term and it will provide a good
    low cost way to get some traffic to some offers and pages we have.

    You all might weant to go check it out. It could make you a few bucks down the road and give you a good place to scrap up some extra traffic real cheap.

    Since it is FREE to join, I will not make anything if you join. But I will if you buy and ad there.

    So check it out. I think it will turn out to be a good deal long term.

    Here's the link:
    http://64.176.126.201/members/0002727/index.shtml

    If you are not interested then forget about it and go about doing what you do.

    Complainers will have a curse put on them and their CJ tracking will be even more screwed up than normal. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    looks like i'm cursed then baby but my mojo will see me through

    at $10 for 340 sign-ups i thought it must be funnymail

    who wants to be a member of "http://64.176.126.201" anyway?

    yuck, dirty affiliate link to an mlm program, the sooner the moderators delete it the better

    fred, do you have "get paid to surf" links on your site?

    newbies, are we learning yet?
    check out freds sales pitch
    "New Program Works"

    "it is FREE to join" emphasise by repetition

    <U>turn a negative into a positive</U> instead of... "you will never earn a cent but by the time you've worked that out i will have taken the money and run" try
    "looks like it's going to make some good money long term" <U>and</u> "I think it will turn out to be a good deal long term." <U>and</U> "It could make you a few bucks down the road"

    fred can teach you lots if you learn to read between the lines :cool:

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    Groovy One,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    yuck, dirty affiliate link to an mlm program, the sooner the moderators delete it the better<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We allow most ... even this type of hype ... I, you and hopefully many others will see that this program has little or no merit!

    *no offense Frederick*

    Haiko

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    i think its a good example of sales pitch for a scheme has little merit, seriously!

    there was someone here the other day asking for advice about running a competition to trick users into clicking links, a poor and decietful method of obtaining financial gain, i suggested that they put some sales pitch around these links, fred agreed and has just given an exellent example of how to do that, i think newbies have much to gain from studying what he said but far less to gain by signing up

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I recently signed up for a program called Ads4Pay.
    Sent an email out and got over 340 to sign up so far. It was FREE to join.

    They pay you to advertise - made $10 so far and the program has been open only 1 week.

    It looks like it's going to make some good money long term and it will provide a good
    low cost way to get some traffic to some offers and pages we have.

    You all might weant to go check it out. It could make you a few bucks down the road and give you a good place to scrap up some extra traffic real cheap.

    Since it is FREE to join, I will not make anything if you join. But I will if you buy and ad there.

    So check it out. I think it will turn out to be a good deal long term.

    Here's the link: http://64.176.126.201/
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    hey fred, do you remember spamming the CJU boards with links like this and when someone complained you said you will never again "help" anyone by posting this type of link <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    Man, whats up with that site?

    the homepage says its based in Malaysia but its registered to someone in the USA

    none of the links work on the real homepage but freddies links on his members page work fine, i think fred owns Ads4Pay.con

    the homepage has the title "Aplustemplates.com", very proffessional.not

    come on fred, fess up, are you the site owner?

    ha ha "downline", what an awful word, i feel so sorry for any saddo that signs up for anything with the words "mlm" or "downline"

    reminds me of something i saw on the simpsons once:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>many of you have been burnt with shady pyamid schemes, our model is the trapezoid which promises an 800% return within hours of your initial investment, uh oh, cops aaaaaaargh!!!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    And who still thinks $10 in a week is a good deal?

    Newbies beware. Keep an eye on who posts what and what reactions they get from others on the board.

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    Once again, most of you missed the point...the web is a network. That means you should do a bunch of stuff that gets you connected to as many places as possible for as little cost as possible and then make whatever you can from all the connections.

    Considering the program is less than 7 days old, it takes time for people to sign up get, organized, test it and see if it works.

    I made $10 because 1 person in that 340 - now 370 plus people I told about it - bought ONE ad.

    Most people have not had enough time to buy an ad - so the jury is out on that. BUT,

    Assumming I get 1,000 people to join and in a month 10 people buy ads, I make $100. If 20 buy ads $200. And it grows as more people join.

    Now you can get an ad sent to 6,000 people for $10. A so-so deal. But down the road when they have 20,000 and you can get ad ad sent to 20,000 for $10 now it's a deal.

    The game is all about traffic. If you can send an ad to 10,000 for $10 and your ad is compelling enough for you to get 1% click thru you got traffic for $.10 per clickthru.

    If 10 people just like you do the same you get $100 and your cost for traffic is ZERO and you make $90.

    You could make a profit, but what is the real kicker is you can get traffic cheap.

    One week does not make a program good or bad.
    But the set up, could work big down the road and those in early will make more than those in later.

    I hear all about how mlm programs are all bogus etc, but we cover all our overhead from
    income from a stream of income from mlm programs.

    For example: In Sept we made $651 from It Pays To Learn and $671 in October. Not bad for a program that cost ZERO to join, Zero to
    participate in and a few bucks to promote and now has over 22,000 from which we earn something if they play one of the games.

    By the end of the year, we should have 25,000 people in our group as the growth is and has been continnuous since July.

    The point is you cannot get rich over night on the net...but you can do it if you network with thousands of others and you profit from some of their actions and they do the same from some of your actions.

    Now some do not work. But if you are in 12 and spend a bit of time each month finding out which work and which do not, then you probably end up with 6 streams of income. If they total $60 and you can increase it by just 10% every month in a year you have a good part time income.

    You have all heard of Amway - well I know someone who got into amway the first year they started and never quit, never did much but get 1 new person to buy the LOC each month. Today that person makes over $500,000
    per year from amway.

    And here's a real deal for you - Mature Black Walnut trees sell today for $100,000 for furniture lumber. They take 50 years to mature.

    All I am saying is try as many deals as you can and promote them for a bit - see how the wind blows. You never know what tha little tree you planted when you were a kid will be worth down the road.

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    $10/week, that's pretty pathetic...

    Hey waitta minnit...this is from the guy who says he can't pay his affiliates in one or more of his other programs because he hasn't yet been paid by advertisers!!! End of consideration!!!

    BTW, SendMoreInfo has been paying on advertiser purchases for years...

    Oh btw...<chanting>All bad tracking screw-ups, BACK TO YOU FRED!</chanting>

    Hm, I see we were typing at the same time...I didn't read that other post of Sneaky's yet...

    [ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    Okay, NOW I read that second post of Fred's.

    >The game is all about traffic.

    The game is about SALES. A billion hits is pure garbage unless enough of them BUY something!

    >If you can send an ad to 10,000 for $10 and your ad is compelling enough for you to get 1% click thru you got traffic for $.10 per clickthru.

    Rip off! PPCs are cheaper than that in most of my categories!!! Try a penny or two! And Google is FREE, beat that!

    >You could make a profit, but what is the real kicker is you can get traffic cheap.

    10c a hit is NOT cheap.

    >You have all heard of Amway

    Yeah, quite a few sites say it's a CULT.

    >well I know someone who got into amway the first year they started and never quit, never did much but get 1 new person to buy the LOC each month. Today that person makes over $500,000
    per year from amway.

    And there's an affiliate site that makes $400,000 PER QUARTER from CJ! It's in the rotation on CJ's front page--keep hitting Refresh and it'll come up eventually, if it's not showing when you first get to the page!

    >And here's a real deal for you - Mature Black Walnut trees sell today for $100,000 for furniture lumber. They take 50 years to mature.

    But you can just plant those and ignore 'em...plus you get to eat the nuts for decades before it's time for the Big Saw. It hardly compares to trying to peddle something (until you go to sell the wood), effort-wise!

    [ 11-10-2001: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    So don't join any of the deals...no big deal.

    But you are wrong Leader - it is about traffic first, sales second. If NO one visits your site you won't sell anything.

    And to you 10 cents per click is expensive...depends on how much money it makers you, not what it costs.

    The per click number will drop as the program grows.

    You keep trying to make $1,000 per month and I will keep trying to make more than it costs us to operate - so far this month (if we get paid for it all) it's over $5,000 and counting.

    Everyone always bad mouths stuff they don't understand. And they all say this xyz won't work. Well, maybe they are right and maybe they are wrong, but if the deal is FREE and they are wrong, YOU lose since you didn't do it because you listened to those who are clueless and you lost opportunity.

    who knows if mlm deals work or not...you have to do it to know for sure.

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