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    Qualities we look for in new Affiliate applications:
    https://www.avantlink.com/application_criteria.php

    I wonder if you can go into that a little more.

    "It's common that with most Affiliate programs on the Web, 10% of the Affiliates produce 90% of the results. AvantLink has the advanced tools, flexible platform, and exceptional support to help that 10% tier of Affiliates reach new benchmarks of performance."

    So that 90%. Are they still allowed to join and try?

    "Affiliates that have high Google PageRank and other SE exposure. "

    What if someone has no Google PageRank and not much SE exposure. Maybe they have lots of word of mouth or other ways of getting traffic. Michael Coley's coupon site has a PR of 0 and is not in Google, would he be allowed in?

    "Affiliates who look for niche products with little competition and purpose-build sites to promote these products. "

    What if I don't deal with products, just post coupons?

    More of that, just want you to go thru it in a little more detail. And do you have basic text links and banners? Thanks.

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    i'll work on our messaging for clarity...
    Trust, Thanks for asking for some clarification. In time we'll add to our messaging to cover all the good points you raise..

    As far as the 10% question.. what I mean is that in many niche programs out there (of multiple thousand Affiliate partners)... there may be 50-100 Super Affiliates that are driving most of the valid traffic and sales. People talk about the 80/20 rule a lot but in many programs that could be closer to 90/10 IMO..

    >> So that 90%. Are they still allowed to join and try?

    Affiliates have to display that they can drive traffic through a network of relevant, topic-driven sites, loyalty sites or favorable SE rankings (for products at the tail end of the datafeed, ie, product detail pages). Of course PPC specialist are welcome, too- in fact our dynamic tools make great landing pages for paid clicks as price/inventory stays accurate.

    Also, if Affiliates have the aptitude to do well as a web publisher, we try to recognize this and mentor them with our deep linking methodolgy. Many of the Affiliates in our network right now we've reached out to b/c they have done the hard part of building good content and ranking well in search engines.. FIRST, ..destined for high converting Affiliate links later maybe without even knowing they are. These sites are valuable and I love contacting the webmasters and explaining that if they monetize pages correctly they could do well.. ..enter our dynamic RSS tools and the PHP datafeed client: (install & customize the product and plug in your 'shop here' link to your nav..and that's that).. There are so many cool, niche sites that have been out there for years all about things people sell online. If you have a site like that we're coming for you!

    >> What if someone has no Google PageRank and not much
    >> SE exposure. Maybe they have lots of word of mouth or
    >> other ways of getting traffic. Michael Coley's coupon site
    >> has a PR of 0 and is not in Google, would he be allowed in?

    Right. I guess that should be more clear. Legit traffic we'll take any ole' way. man I feel bad I don't know Michael's site but of course he's welcome. Michael we have some great coupon offers and I'd love to see what you think of our Dynamic Coupon Feeds.. either RSS version (Good Google Food YUM) or Javascript (not SE digestable).. come on in and check out some coupon offers we're workin' with our merchants to provide - there's a few recently posted on our ABW forum.

    >> What if I don't deal with products, just post coupons?

    Please refer to my answer above

    Basically, we are interested in partnering with quality Affiliates not any Affiliate. That's really all... We approve each Affiliate application at the network level based on the stated, albeit somewhat informal criteria listed with the URL on your post above Trust. BTW, we're seeing 30-40% Affiliate application fraud in our app queue.. not sure if it's b/c we are a new network or what. They grab domain name reg records and use the admin's info to apply.. so we email or call them to authenticate..many times you have to go to the step of contacting them through their site somehow to cover all bases.. in some ways b/c the submitted from whois is outdated or bogus or whatever.. Man, if we're having this many fraud apps, the big guys must really get a lot!

    Trust, yes we have the basics.. text and banner links.. also, check out the post about the Custom Link Builder. It's SUCH a useful tool.. and it's so damn simple haha..

    Thank you very much for your interest, and allowing me to clear up our first attempt at communicating our principles. I'll work on improving the message and adding tons more about what we're trying to accomplish.

    Parasites, cookie stuffers and Spammy *nuthins* ...we'll try our best to in their tracks.. if they sneak in and anyone brings it to our attention we'll boot them faster than they can spin their defence.. no matter how much traffic/money their movin' through AvantLink.. plus we've already helped several merchants boot parasites by simply bringing them up to speed on the whole issue.

    THANKS again.. Gary M

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary-AvantLink
    Parasites, cookie stuffers and Spammy *nuthins* ...we'll try our best to in their tracks.. if they sneak in and anyone brings it to our attention we'll boot them faster than they can spin their defence...
    This is a VERY subjective statement. If I am in your network and a competitor makes up a load of crap and reports it to you, you will terminate me before even investigating it?
    What is your definition of a "Spammy *nuthin*?
    If you are so quick to boot people on the word of another I am scared to work with you.


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    Sounds like what you are saying is small, technology challenged, those with little talent, those who don't gamble in the PPC game and beginning affiliates need not apply.

    Guess being honest and trying hard just don't cut it with you folks even if the sites CAN bring in some sales.

    Seems pretty cold to me.

    I bet you just told 90% of the ABW membership to go away and not bother your sweet ass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    This is a VERY subjective statement. If I am in your network and a competitor makes up a load of crap and reports it to you, you will terminate me before even investigating it?
    What is your definition of a "Spammy *nuthin*?
    If you are so quick to boot people on the word of another I am scared to work with you.
    No he didn't say that!

    He specifically said he'd act on a complaint. Tell me how many networks actually do. Holy Fudge, here's a clean damn good group of guys forming a network around a tool they built that is a dream for affiliates and before anyone really sees it poo poos it.

    That's wrong!
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    SSanf,

    I support Avant, they are good guys and wait till you see what they can do for you ... your the first one I saw making beacoudles with them.

    Insta-wealth is what I call this thing.

    But I'll wait till Gary gets back so it doesn't look like I'm shilling, I'm just really saying wait, don't judge on some horsehockey marketing material, wait and see what they do, how they do it, how you benefit and then apply if you wish ... I'm sure of 90+ % of ABW will be approved (the other 10% are parasites or scum).

    Fair enough?
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    Ok this puppy is really barking at me to get the radio show up again .... faster!
    Continued Success,

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    Gary...

    I just applied.

    Consider changing these Mandatory Fields:

    Website Name
    Website URL
    Website Category
    Describe your website

    to include those of us with many different websites - all totally different - and no one category, no one definition fits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    No he didn't say that!

    He specifically said he'd act on a complaint. Tell me how many networks actually do. Holy Fudge, here's a clean damn good group of guys forming a network around a tool they built that is a dream for affiliates and before anyone really sees it poo poos it.

    That's wrong!
    Hang on now, Haiko. I'm not poo-pooing anything. I just am gunshy of a network that says they will
    boot them faster than they can spin their defence
    based on a complaint from another affiliate.
    Yes, we need networks to act on crooks and get them out, but there must be some discretion used in removing someone. From his words here, he will shoot first and ask questions later. As a former cop he should know that this is not the best way to proceed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Haiko de Poel, Jr.
    Fair enough?
    Sure. First impressions are not always right. I will certainly grant you that.

    And, your assessment goes a very long way with me as you know. You would never, ever shill for anyone. That just isn't you. No one who has been around very long would even think that.
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    WHoa UncleScooter! how did you know i am a former cop..? holy funny.. that was for 2.5 years directly out of college.. right after several dead shows and right before grad school and my 7-year ski-bum life in Alta, Utah. wait a second, was that cop thing even in this life?? HAHA.. maybe it wasnt.. wait again, I just dug this up it's really me at 23..now I'm 34, though (damn i'm confused):






    Originally Posted by Gary-AvantLink:
    "Parasites, cookie stuffers and Spammy *nuthins* ...we'll try our best to in their tracks.. if they sneak in and anyone brings it to our attention we'll boot them faster than they can spin their defence..."

    Internet Cowboy:
    >> This is a VERY subjective statement. If I am in your network
    >> and a competitor makes up a load of crap and reports it to you,
    >> you will terminate me before even investigating it?
    >> What is your definition of a "Spammy *nuthin*?
    >> If you are so quick to boot people on the word of another I am
    >> scared to work with you.

    Hi UncleScooter, I guess you're right it is a subjective statement. But after all we're makin the call in the best interest of our network so wouldn't it have to be subjective? And please know we would most certainly investigate any complaint in order to act correctly on it.

    And what Haiko said re..

    Me saying: "if they sneak in and anyone brings it to our attention we'll boot them faster than they can spin their defence..."

    Is a long way off from you paraphrasing: "If I am in your network and a competitor makes up a load of crap and reports it to you, you will terminate me before even investigating it?" and "based on a complaint from another affiliate." (in your second post)


    Sh!t Stirrer:
    >> Sounds like what you are saying is small, technology
    >> challenged, those with little talent, those who don't
    >> gamble in the PPC game and beginning affiliates need
    >> not apply.

    Yes I already explained above what our Affiliate Acceptance Criteria means.. and that's kind of a blunt/harsh way of hitting the nail on the head. Affiliates will 1) Display a proven track record in the industry or 2) Show us the aptitude to develop a track record in order to get accepted. Also, we are striving to keep a high level of support for our advanced tools and if we opened the flood gates to any Affiliate that would be impossible to accomplish.

    The difference with us and many other networks is that Affiliates have to apply to AvantLink and be accepted, not just sign-up.


    Billy:

    Thanks for the feedback. As far as more than one site... for approval all we really need to see is one to determine whether or not the Affiliate is a fit for the network. If we have questions we'll call and ask. There's the option once in the network to configure as many sites as you want/own with the tool center.. Furthermore, we plan to work closely with our Affiliates, and support them more than the support they'll see from some specific program's AMs out there..

    So look everyone, I know you all from reading many posts, and contributing on many others. We're simply based on a quality over quantity platform for partnerships.. and that also goes for merchants (we've already turned down several merchants ready to pay for integration because they didn't fit what we are trying to do...how many networks will tell you that?)

    We welcome Affiliates that know what's up and how to perform responsibly in the space. Preserving the integrity of this industry is in All of our best interest.. or everyone with a stake in the Affiliate marketing industy will find it more difficult to succeed.

    Oh and my definition of a Spammy *nuthin*? is.. exaclty what many professional-level Affiliates think it is. here are a couple hints: scraped sites made for adsense, duplicate-only content.. those sites need not apply.

    Thank you for the chance to discuss this more, Gary M

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    Well, it has been validated that my reading comprehension level remains intact. That is, of course, good news at my age.

    Not quite sure what "duplicate-only content" sites are but I think that is data feed sites without a lot of articles and/or creative writing or other affiliate provided verbiage on them.

    It harks back to the old Leader vs. Snib debate.

    If that is what the phrase means, Leader style sites are out Snib style sites are in.

    I think that was the issue intended to be asked about by UncleScooter's question.

    Fact is BOTH styles of presentation do sell stuff. The makers of both kinds have been around doing business for quite a long time with apparent success. So maybe, that isn't what he means by "duplicate-only content".
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    Have you made any representations to the merchants about HOW their data feeds will be used?
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    Qualities We Look For vs. Affiliates We'll Take
    I wouldn't give them too much slack about the "Qualities [they] look for in new affiliate applications".

    As affiliates, there are qualities we look for in merchants. But it's pretty rare that we'll find a merchant who meets all of those qualities. We'll settle for considerably less, because to limit ourselves to just "perfect merchants" will greatly limit our potential.

    I prefer customers who buy $10,000 items, but I'll still take the customers who buy $5 items too. As I whole, I make much more from the thousands of customers who buy the $5 items than I do from the few who buy $10,000 items.
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    I wouldn't give them too much slack about the "Qualities [they] look for in new affiliate applications".
    I won't give 'em slack! Flack, though, yes.

    Any network that says a site's sales are no good ("no matter how much money they bring" I believe the phrase was) just based on snooty ideas of what a site "should" be done like, can take a hike, endorsements from Haiko or not. Does this place think it's some kind of museum or maybe the Academy Awards?!

    We affiliates are in Business, not some Oscars ego-massage charade where the "high culture" movie with the low box-office take wins.
    In real life, if legit sales = yes, then value = yes!

    Display a proven track record in the industry
    Yeah right, and how the heck is someone going to prove it?! SURELY you aren't so arrogant as to think affiliates will show you their reports from their other networks?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ssanf
    Not quite sure what "duplicate-only content" sites are but I think that is data feed sites without a lot of articles and/or creative writing or other affiliate provided verbiage on them.
    That's how I read it.

    Gary--You want unique c*ntent on sites, then pay by the word and not by the transaction.
    Or provide this unique-to-each-site content yourself, free.

    Until then, I Ignore the presence of yet another upstart network. There's no benefit to me at all in bothering with networks with the gall to make "demands" of that nature.

    As affiliates, there are qualities we look for in merchants. But it's pretty rare that we'll find a merchant who meets all of those qualities. We'll settle for considerably less, because to limit ourselves to just "perfect merchants" will greatly limit our potential.
    By the time some merchants get that clue, their programs are already closed. I'm sure you've seen 'em--the ones Sooo concerned about their "brand image" that they end up killing their own programs by either kicking everyone out, or letting hardly anyone in.

    Now a network's doing it. Same in, same out, only on a bigger scale. If they don't clue up, I predict an "AvantLink Closing" thread will appear at some future point (how long depends on their bankroll).
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    Well, I never thought unique affiliate provided verbiage equaled a quality site, myself.

    There, there, Leader. Don't feel bad. I think your sites are nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelColey
    I prefer customers who buy $10,000 items, but I'll still take the customers who buy $5 items too. As I whole, I make much more from the thousands of customers who buy the $5 items than I do from the few who buy $10,000 items.
    And, he may prefer affiliates who bring in $10,000 in sales, too but will sell a lot more if he also accepts affiliates who bring in $50 in sales.

    That would be in the best interests of his merchants to me.

    However, I am reserving judgement on the whole thing because if Haiko thinks it is a good idea, he may very well know things not yet put forward in this thread which is why he badly wants his radio show back to communicate it.

    There may be things we just don't understand or know about all this, yet.

    It is too bad that the network, as represented so far, has so many negative connotations to so many of us if it is, in fact, as good as all that.
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    And don't think for one second just because you are working with someone like Altrec through this network that parasites will not affect you.

    I hate this trend of these tiny networks popping up and claiming to be parasite-free and merchants who are otherwise dirty as hell joining them and riding their parasite-free coat tails. If you link to Altrec through Avantlink and the customer's computer is infected with any of the parasites they are affiliated with, which are many, you have just lost your sale. Don't think for one second that if you link to them through Avantlink that once the customer gets to their site that there will not be a redirection and another cookie set, because there will be.

    Gary, how can you claim to be so tough on affiliates yet you have merchants who have relationships with the likes of eBates, Upromise, WhenU, TopRebates and others?? Do you not see this as an insult to the affiliate that you are so tough on them yet so LAX on your merchants?

    You should worry much less about booting affiliates and boot the dirty merchants from your network first.

    From this page:
    We are now Parasite FREE in AvantLink!
    Could you please explain how this can be? If a merchant is parasite free in your network yet saturated with parasitic relationships from other networks, do you claim that these relationships will not affect traffic sent to them through Avantlink? Please explain.
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    Hey Guys- Thanks for joinin' the thread Leader and Michael,

    SSanf:

    Not quite sure what "duplicate-only content" sites are but I think that is data feed sites without a lot of articles and/or creative writing or other affiliate provided verbiage on them.
    That's more or less it. To use a recent buzzword we're looking for 'value add' sites.. where the datafeed actually becomes the value add. We're just trying to follow the lead of the search engines.. who are more and more filtering sites that are only made up of duplicates of merchant's databases..

    Have you made any representations to the merchants about HOW their data feeds will be used?
    Not too sure what you mean but we fully explain our methodology to them for responsible use of a datafeed...meaning we'd prefer they not just publish 100 sites using 100 diff merchant datafeeds.

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    Hi Leader, If you read back to when I use the phrase "no matter how much money they bring" that was referring to parasites and the like. For example, a parasite could sneak their way in possibly...if they became a top performer, we'd still have no reservations on kicking them out once it was brought to our attention.. once the appropriate background check confirmed shady practices...it will not matter how many transactions were moving through form them. Yeah we'd lose revenue but SO what. We're long time Affiliates, too. We hate those practices, too. We just want to keep it as clean as possible, and we're calling on you all to help with that..

    Also, as far as determining an Affiliate site's value, I am not looking for their sales reports.. I am looking at their site, their pagerank, their serp placement, their 'neighborhood' of other sites, their content, and their willingness to communicate to help me understand their level of experience/understanding on where this industry needs to go. After all we are partners, aren't we??

    I am sorry if you think that's arrogant. And no we're not providing content for free, that's not unique... and it's not my job it's the Affiliates. Like I said many have that already. They have very valuable web properties that are everywhere on the SEs, links from others, etc. Many times these folks have no clue how to monetize and I will help them one-to-one. I'm on first-name basis with 75% of the Affiliates in our network...they call, we chat, talk shop, and learn from one-another.. I want to keep that level of interaction in tact.

    Leader give me a call if you want to discuss anything and please feel free to apply to the network. As a long-time ABWer and Affiliate I'm sure you would appreciate the integrated aspect of the network, our level of support and our exclusive nature.. if 'exclusive' is a scary word to you than I am sorry..

    I am enjoying this interaction here with everyone. I could think through my responses and write a term paper approach to them but nah I want to type as I think and submit.. so hopefully I make sense most of the time.

    Currently we have around 160 Affiliates in the network. Every one is sending clicks and over 40% are making sales regulalry.. I hope to improve upon that 40% number moving forward. Tool King, for example, would have 300 active Affiliates by now from a launch in a large network.. more if they auto-approved. But how many of those would be worth partnering with??

    In my previous job at Backcountry as AM we'd get 40-50 applications a day and Maybe approve 5 a week (on a good week). Many of the best Affiliate partners were the ones we recruited...based on this thinking..

    Anyways, thanks everyone again, for asking great questions. I hope to work with many ABWers for a long-time to come. gary M

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    Well, that sure lets me out. I don't do content and I never will do content. I stopped writing term papers in college quite a few decades ago and have no intention of ever doing that again so long as I live.

    That does not mean that I don't have a few juicy SE rankings for keywords here and there, though.

    I am sure Leader's content free sites have tons of nice SE rankings. Many other content free affiliate sites no doubt do as well.

    Well, best of luck with your program, anyway.
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    Does that hurt? Say 'Uncle' and I'll stop :)
    UncleScooter,

    >> And don't think for one second just because you
    >> are working with someone like Altrec through this
    >> network that parasites will not affect you.

    Did you read the Altrec announcement thread? They're migrating to us over the next several months. And when the migration is complete those people will be GONE. Don't you think it's a good thing that we've helped this merchant understand the need to boot em' and clean up? They're a heavily-branded online merchant and they convert with high-dollar items. If they weren't coming in AvantLink their rougue Affiliates would still have the potential to steal commissions from the good guys.

    Also, MyWeddingFavors same thing. Travis Robinson has been working hard to clean out their program in their other network as well. In fact, Travis, told me he just finished clearing out 1900+ Affiliates out of 2000 in that other network!! Many we're cheaters and spammers and who knows what else. I talk to Travis at least a couple times a week and I do believe our conversations had a lot to do with this house cleaning.. there's two specific examples of less earnings for cheating Affiliate thieving companies out there!! Everyone needs to quit fueling their fire.. which namely comes down to the networks b/c if they weren't allowed in the networks than the merchants wouldnt be using them in their Affiliate programs.

    Happy Sunday everyone. I'll be back later. I'm off to spend the day in the mountains..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary-AvantLink
    And no we're not providing content for free, that's not unique... and it's not my job it's the Affiliates.
    It is not the affiliates job to write content. The affiliates job is to sell stuff. If you don't understand that, I think there is a major problem.
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    Oh and SSanf.. not sure why you think you'd be denied from the network. You keep implying that you and Leader wouldn't be allowed in. Don't you consider yourself a professional-level Affiliate marketer who doesnt spam and can drive targeted clicks? If so than we'd be thrilled to have you.. give me a call if you would like anytime.

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    SSanf, that unique content sells stuff.. because that's the content that gives the site legitimacy in the SEs.. often times as you know it takes years to build this content to the level I am referring to. Once the site admin is there, with those respectable SE placements (like I said in many cases I am referring to people who don't even know what they have in their site's value!!), it's just a matter of monetizing new pages around relevant products. Those product info pages rank well (because of the site's web[rep]utation) so that users end up on the site when searching for products to buy. This conversion rate is often 10x greater than any I've seen.. getting product pages in the eye of the shopper in shopping mode is Gold.. and that's what that unique content helps to achieve.

    I know it's a different way of looking at driving targeted clicks but it is valid and it's being proven constantly so far through our partnerships.. and through my own personal Affiliate marketing experience..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary-AvantLink
    Did you read the Altrec announcement thread? They're migrating to us over the next several months. And when the migration is complete those people will be GONE. Don't you think it's a good thing that we've helped this merchant understand the need to boot em' and clean up?
    I think that is a wonderful thing if they are leaving CJ and indeed cleaning up their program, but so many merchants are running their program on dual platforms these days. Usually they use one network such as CJ or LS where they can work with every parasite in the book, then they open up on one of the smaller networks that claims to be parasite-free so they can dupe affiliates who would not work with them otherwise into working with them.

    This has been the trend for about two years and more and more big merchants are doing it.

    I read nowhere in the Altrec announcement that they were leaving CJ and moving their program exclusively to Avantlink. If this is the case, then I will be the first to stand up and applaud you and your network as this is a huge accomplishment. Until then, we as informed affiliates have to call it what it appears to be, which is a merchant who wants to play both sides of the fence.

    Edited: I saw the thread now. I was looking at their page on the Avantlink site. Again, you get them away from all other networks and free of parasites all together and I will be the very first to applaud you.
    Last edited by UncleScooter; March 5th, 2006 at 10:41 AM. Reason: another thought


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