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  1. #1
    I saw that I was not getting any sales from my store , I had two choices .. to copy leader's site or not to copy leader's site.

    I took somehow the wrong choice and copied her site in order to get more sales. A wrong choice indeed .. a choice that has shatterred a complete lifetime of mine into small bits. Now I wish that I could get to the alternete lifetime when I did not make this wrong choice and insted strived to work hard and like I succeeded with totalsearch4u, sucseed with cjkiosk.

    Donald shimoda said that we all are given the right to quit whenever we want to and that I can get back to Square one whenever I want to. Today I am at such a point in this lifetime that I am far from even squere 1 . I want to come back to the starting point start again from the start. I want to use MY own brain which is a good one I know but sometimes makes unnecessarry and wrong choices.

    Please give me choices to choose from.

    Do I work hard and get back to where I was a month back?

    Do I just quit this work just because of one wrong choice?

    Do I just plain commit suicide?

    Am I given one more chance to proove that I am a good person wich some wrong choices made sometime in his lifetime which he will not make again?

    What I lack is vivek .. the intellegence to understand what is wrong and what is right. I am striving hard to obtain it. and very soon I will obtain it. all I need is one more chance Please.


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    ABW Veteran Student Heyder's Avatar
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    Oh god man just get over it! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    It's considered extremely rude to threaten suicide even worse to do it.

    I don't know much about Indian Culture these days but we every where else would be very sad to have you do such a thing. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

    I am sure Leader and everyone else wouldn't want such a terrible thing either.

    The thing is that you are one of us and we expect and want you to remain one of us.

    That means respecting all of us and yourself.

    Don't quit this business either. From what I understand you were doing very well at it and would serve your friends and family much better by keeping up with what your doing.

    I personally don't understand why you did what you did because I thought you were doing so well. :confused:

    Leader did you the decency to not point out exactly what you did and that is her showing you and everyone else that she has value too.

    You may not be friend any longer at least not anytime soon but she is nice enough to do what she did.

    To me worse then stealing her copy is your plea for forgiveness.

    I think you'd be better off with a decent formal apology that isn't begging for someone to consider you as their son using your age as a copout nor threating rediculous scenarios that are extremely unhonorable.

    You are much better than that! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    I can't speak for the other guys, especialy Leader who I must admit was terribly wronged by your actions, but I totaly agree with Heyder.

    A nice apology (no threatening to quit or commit suicide or anything silly like that) addressed directly to Leader with your absolute word that nothing like this will happen again, would I suspect do you the world of good. I certainly hope so because you seemed quite an intelligent likeable young man.

    Good Luck

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Do I just plain commit suicide?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    WTF? That sounds like you are trying to make us feel guilty or sorry for you. This is gonna make me sound like the bad guy but Screw You. Like Heyder said, get over it and like Gordon said, you should direct a proper apology to Leader.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I took somehow the wrong choice and copied her site in order to get more sales. A wrong choice indeed .. a choice that has shatterred a complete lifetime of mine into small bits. Now I wish that I could get to the alternete lifetime when I did not make this wrong choice and insted strived to work hard and like I succeeded with totalsearch4u, sucseed with cjkiosk.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I used to think you were lame now I know you are. Get over it, get on with your business and just move on and don't do it again.

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    Resident Genius and Staunch Capitalist Leader's Avatar
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    RE Pranav's message. I've heard all of this before.

    Suicide threats do not impress me. It's a rather well-known TRICK to make statements like that... On every soap opera, daytime talk show, etc., some lowdown is making that claim. But this is real life, and few suckers would really fall for that. I am NOT one of them!!!

    Also telling is the fact that your latest post here arrived after a few Affiliation Terminated notices showed up in your e-mail!

    Also, it sounds to me like you have been running this same BS for years--possibly ever since you can remember, with various new tidbits added as you grew older.

    Well, it didn't work.

    As for your so-called "choices":

    #1 has been seen too many times from you on CJU already.

    #2 may be a good idea, because of your MANY, MANY "wrong choices", and lack of patience! To put it bluntly, you are NOT ready to be in business. When things get tough, STEALING should not even cross your mind, much less actually doing it!

    #3 is pure baloney. It's a DISGUSTINGLY transparant attempt to get sympathy when you deserve none.

    Also, I CANNOT MISS how practiced your post sounds. Do you even remember how long you have been running it?

    Just insert two paragraphs of situation-specific copy, then run the same old lines...

    I notice how coherent those last lines sound! How improved your "bad English" got! THAT'S PRACTICE!!!

    [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    You are the only one who can determine if you get a second chance.

    Let this experience teach you to live your life on higher moral ground and you have the second chance -- one much greater than the forgiveness of the people here.

    Let this experience destroy your life and you've continued to live in the framework that led you to steal in the first place.

    While it is difficult to have people angry with you and making fun of you, you must face the fact that you broke a trust here. It will take time for that to be recovered.

    And it will take a change in you.

    Give the people time. And take the time for some real growth. Think right now about how you can take action in your own life to ensure that you never make the same mistake again -- rather than worrying how people feel about you.

    Say a prayer, get some sleep, and realize that this is not anywhere close to the end of the world.

    You can recover from this.

    (These words from someone who has made many mistakes in life and has lived to tell about it... and no, it wasn't easy some of the times -- it was very very hard.)

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    God Pranav,

    I didn't know you were such a loser. I didn't know that you were such a thief either. Man, I am with Leader. You don't deserve an apology. Get a life.

    And yes, your English is so good. Where did you learn English in two days!?! I would like to send my daughter to that school that teaches English in two days. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    We know Leader has a gardening site but you went way overboard with this post it is pure .... FERTILIZER!

    First of all your being a CJ affiliate is a violation because of your age.

    Secondly, This is not the first time you have done something like this!

    Thirdly, You stole from the MOST helpful person in affiliate marketing.

    Fourthly, You knew exactly what you were doing and made a cognitive decision to do so, as such you MUST pay the consequences for your actions.

    Fifthly, Lying or false attempts at sympathy will not save your butt, but just dig you into the muck even more!

    I am, personally, disgusted with your actions and outright HURT that you did it to a fellow ABW member!

    Maybe this time you will learn!


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    We are dealing with someone of a young age; or at least as I understand Haiko's post concerning your age and CJ TOS.


    I do take suicide threats seriously, especially from young people. My mother did that when I was eight - she took a dive off of a building. I was adopted by my God mother and her husband (I didn't know my father). I think you would make people that love you extremely sad if you were to take your own life. They would be hurt and angry.

    If you feel that bad, and depressed, I would suggest you do one of two things, if the options are available;

    (1) Contact a clergy member of your faith.
    (2) Seek the advice of a youth counselor/psychologist.

    Please don't do anything rash, especially taking your own life. There is no problem that is too big that you can't conquer. Also, I would suggest that you change this behavior that got you in this situation in the first place. God speed.

    [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Big Chuck ]

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    I'm sure Leader has heard all this in private before Pranav decided to go public.

    Pranav ... Theres a saying:

    You made your bed ... now you must lay in it.

    You are young and will get over this and move on. It's part of life to make bad decisions and we have all made them. It's the lessons you learn from them that makes you a better person.

    Why were you so desperate anyway ... Do you support yourself or a family ... I dont think so ... your just a kid.

    Save your crocodile tears - lay low - Learn from your mistakes.

    Your biggest mistake was putting all your eggs in one Merchants basket.

    I only wish I had your internet experience when I was your age and had my whole life ahead of me. You will do just fine.


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    First off listen to what Big Chuck said if that was a serious statement you made. If what you said was seriously in your mind it goes beyond just doing what you did to Leader. To mention suicide because of something as trivial (but wrong) as what you did goes far beyond just that. It would mean that there are other problems going on in your life right now. Most of all it would mean you are seriously depressed about the things going on right now in your life. Take Big Chucks advise if that is the case. Your young and things always seem far worse than they are when your at that age. It will get better.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What I lack is vivek .. the intellegence to understand what is wrong and what is right. I am striving hard to obtain it. and very soon I will obtain it. all I need is one more chance Please.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    You are young and your allowed to make some mistakes. Hell, I'm old and still make them. If what you said about really regretting what you did is true. Then that alone shows that you are maturing and learning from your mistakes. Thats what it is all about. When you do good thrive on it. When you do something wrong learn from it. YA ****ed up, get over it. Find a way to make up for it. Move on Pranav and have a long happy life.

    As for what you did to Leader. Find away to make it up to her if she allows you to. I agree that Leader is always willing to help with what she can. Ya owe her something. It's up to you to decide what would make ammends with her.

    Just my <IMG src=>

    [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Packy ]

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    This is not a big deal so carry on with your life and affiliate marketing business, just don't do that again.

    You'll meet much more serious problems when you already grew up , dealing with people, wife, kids ,etc.

    I wish I could become 15 again and have nothing to worry about.

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    Lord Have Mercy,
    Pranav Mate I'll come back to you...this is gonna be yet another long post as well...and i guess many of my abw friends read it.

    Okies firstly this has been an informatory and a value oriented thread. I'm learning plenty of things as well from my older mates.

    Okies i started and was into web designing when i grew 13-14 small basic pages...that made no sense. I realy didnt knew what's this all about. I turned 15 tell u all i was very dumb then, Very very dumb in the means of website handling and affiliate marketing.

    I made a small homepage, i wont put it up here. i made a few links...mates i never knew about affiliate marketing...and i used to wonder how do i get ads for my website ? i was so dumb. I then found a site and copied and pasted the content word to word to my homepage

    But the thing was i only spend on the homepage, never knew how to generate money and didnt copy the stuff for money. well then i started research and then i found it all out, and today i know a 1000's times more than what i knew then. And i immediately closed my homepage for a while ,and then reopened it. This is my confession when i was really unaware of this world and trying to learn what exactly its all about.

    So that was my own lesson no 1.

    Then moving ahead i seen haiko mention about cj - legal age being 18. Well another confession athough i didnt get much into it and havent really done anything on it. i joined cj when i was 17 yrs 8 months. so 4 months ahead of schedule. Another issue is i didnt earn a pie lol...

    My current website is kept secret at this not porn but my way of earning is totally different.

    So i too have done up with the cj age issue.

    Well But i'm cool :cool: i guess my mistakes arent big dude..Well it was unawareness. And i am still learning a lot, both on affiliate marketing and more importantly LIFE.

    Now that has shown me a lot, i've listed 2 mistakes which arent too big or of major concerns for me. yes it was wrong but it was ignorance and i wasnt aware, really wasnt.

    See i am putting up my hard facts, i know that the members of ABW would still respect me and be friends with me cos of my earlier past 2 mistakes which i committed in unawareness

    The reason why i put this up is pranav is not to make fun of myself, but to help me yourself and others as well, so that they learn that life is something to live and not to end. Everybody has committed mistakes in life sure they have.

    See some of the ABW members and u too must be thinking that i have a rivalry with u. perhaps a bitter one. But i aint thinking of it that way. I just point out the right and the wrong. And i hate someone bossing over me.

    Well i am still pretty cool with u mate. And i would help you in whatever way i can, see dont beg for sympathy and dont give out those stupid threats of suicide. They are totally disgusting.

    You've got a good brain, But remember the Devil's tempting you and u need to get over with it. I suggest u take a vacation off to some retreat and get ur mind chilled and come back and i guess you would get a warm

    Welcome BACK

    So You Take Care Mate,
    As far as i am concerned, its not something that deserves a chance. What kind of chance do u want. Its just that u need to improve ur mistakes and make up for it.

    Remember Money is not everything.


    By God look at the length of this post. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    My Online friend chris had a problem in achieving success and a couple of days ago i dedicated this poem to him. This is my original 100% true work.

    I ain't sure how good it is, but now i dedicate to "Pranav"
    I didnt copyright it. but lol dont go off saying its done by anyone of u lol....its my hardthought into

    Success....The Key to it ?

    Success means to succeed,
    One that needs to be cherised,
    Success is a key to what life has to offer,
    In every taste and flavour.

    Success is what you need to achieve,
    Name, Fame, Wealth are just parts of it,
    Success doesnt only mean the above,
    When wishes come true, ambitions achieved
    With the flavour of freedom and goodwill.

    The key to success is strong determination,
    Love for once self and a lot of patience,
    To realise one's ability,
    Their power to accomplish goals,
    The Blessings of lord may always govern,
    Over the once's who devote hardwork,
    Toil in the sun and let their sweat burn,
    Realise your strengths and put it to work,
    That's Just the Key To success, Dear Friend.


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    First: Here's an official apology .. I'll mail it to you later :
    Dear sir/madam,
    I'm sorry for my acts, Please accept my apology. I can assure you that nothing like what happened will happen again.

    any action you may wish to take against me or my company, is subject to mumbai jurisdiction


    Now, Let me clear some confusion: When I said that I might commit 'just plain suicide'. It was not ment in any way that I will literally 'kill' myself .. what I ment was to completely destroy my career and to start studying my acedemics again and stop doing any affiliate marketing or and business whatsoever and do some j*b that pays me some $ 100 a month after 4 years after completing my education. all this is nightmarish and as good as suicide.

    Hayder: Here's the reason for why I did for what I did.
    Hotjobs closed down sometime back closing my revenue stream of thousands of dollars a month. As a remedy I started .. the site is and will do good because of the Huge rate of unemployment in my country. BUT, I hate it when someone gives me a hard-earned $5 for a resume posting and ends up not getting a jobs even days after his resume posting and later on curses me . he thinks I am a fraud. although many employers visit my site, 90% of the resumes listed on my site are not selected by employers for interview calls. I wanted to start another revfenue stream as soon as possible to close this down and get decent money. I started I have already wasted 4 dollars on findwhat but without results! absolutely any results!
    Now, there was this guy who wanted to invest some money into starting an arts and crafts site. I was supposed to market it on the internet and earn good money. now he comes to me and tells me that he has some financial problems going on and the project has to be delayed by 5-6 months. All this got me in a lot of frustration, my self-confidence was shattered and I chose to (wrong choice, obviously!) copy leader's site and see weather I earn some commissions or not.

    Leader: Dont want to accept my aplology? then, dont accept my apology. But don't please treat me as your enemy. I know I've lost the respected position of being your freind, but I will always respect you. you were, are and will remain my guru and inspiration. noy saying this for simpathy or something -- just the fact.

    dellle : you said : "Why were you so desperate anyway ... Do you support yourself or a family ... I dont think so ... your just a kid"
    Well, I am just a kid but My dad lost his job about 7/8 months back, then sometime back , I started totalsearch4u and got tremendous success with it. so, we put a lot of money of totalsearch4u into bhoom foods, my dad's catering company. that company has till date done 7 parties and has incurred losses in all of them. so what I currently earn from hothrd IS supporting the famlily so I can say that I am supporting the family.

    Patrick: thanks for the supporting post. I truly regret what I have done and even more that I did it to Leader!

    The Great One: thanks for the nice poem [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    Conclusion: I really regret what I've done. and I can assure all of you that this can not and will not happen again.

    I am not going to commit suicide, I have cleared this above.

    I AM giving myself another chance, please tell me if this is a wrong choice. But for giving myself another chance. I need your help, all of you including leader. please give me back my self respect. I have stopped respecting my self due to all this. if you people too will give me another chance and forget what I have done, maybe I can get some self-respect back and I can truley be successful in my life and be successful all by myself.

    I am re-making the gifts site, It'll take me some days, I won't be posting here that time, I'll come up with some thing that will sell and something good and it will be a success story once again but only if I get back some of my self respect back.

    Heck, I'm not the catterpillar and this is not the end of the world .. thanks dor making me realize that. I want to be the master and I'll see myself fly like the butterlfy, You people can help me in that, please know that that was one of the few silly wrong choices that I've done and at least those will not be done again. for the future, I will take lot of care not to make wrong choices.

    Please accept me as one of you please help me become successful.

    Every comment made about me is being taken very seriously and has the power to change my lifetime, has the power to make or destroy my career. so please help me.

    All helpful, hateful, positive, negetive and any kind of comments by you all are wanted at this time by me.

    sorry about the spellings,

    [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Pranav ]

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    Domain Addict / Formerly known as elbowcreek Thomas A. Rice's Avatar
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    When I was a pup - just about your age - I decided I wanted to learn how to program. We did not have personal computers at the time, so I wandered over to Indiana University and sorta helped myself to their mainframe.

    It took a while to figure out accounts and passwords, but, well, their CDC 6600 was not, shall we say, a bastion of security.

    All was well and good for two months or so. I taught myself how to program in basic, and, well, I just sorta ignored the 'usage charges' that popped up after I ended each session. After all, *I* wasn't paying for it. Some Chemistry Department was.

    In my head, even though I knew better, even though I was raised by my mom, and she did everything right, I justified using IU's computers because I wanted to learn how to program, and there just weren't any other options for me at the time.

    Like I said, I learned a lot of things, and one of those items was that IU had a console that could track which particular account was being accessed by which particular terminal. From out of the blue, five guys materialised, pulled me away from the terminal and confirmed that I had been accessing a specific account.

    The good news is, they did not arrest me, even though they claimed I had used up hundreds of hours of computer time, and damaged some research files (I disputed that, but who would believe a kid over a trained employee). The bad news is, they scared the crap out of me, and told me that, if I was ever spotted on campus again I would be arrested.

    As I turned to leave, the director of Administrative Computing made a point of stopping me, and inviting me back - after I had graduated from high school, and was legally enrolled in the University.

    I made a dumbass mistake, I did something that was out of character for me, and got the smack put on me pretty hard. I disappeared from that campus for several years.

    But, I learned from my mistake, and when it came time to enroll at IU, I majored in Comp.
    Science, and got my fill of computers.

    So, take your lumps, learn from your mistakes, and come back when you're legal.

    And don't do anything stupid in between.


    -elbow creek

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    Oh man, you are pathetic. Why did you copy leader's site? JadaKiss is the one making all the money and buying houses!

    (just kidding)

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    The Wiccan Rede

    Bide ye Wiccan laws you must,
    in perfect love and perfect trust.

    Live ye must and let to live,
    fairly take and fairly give
    For the circle thrice about
    to keep unwelcome spirits out.

    To bind ye spell well every time,
    let the spell be spake in rhyme
    Soft of eye and light of touch
    speak ye little, listen much.

    Dosil go by the waxing moon
    chanting out ye baleful tune
    When ye Lady's moon is new,
    kiss ye hand to her times two

    When ye moon rides at her peak,
    Then ye hearts desire seek
    Heed the North winds mighty gale
    lock the door and trim the sail.

    when the wind comes from the South
    love will kiss thee on the mouth.
    When the wind blows from the East
    expect the new and set the feast.

    Nine woods in the caldron go
    burn them fast and burn them slow
    Elder be ye Lady's tree
    burn it not or cursed ye'll be.

    When the wheel begins to turn
    soon ye beltane fires will burn
    When the Wheel hath turned a Yule
    light the log the Horned One rules.

    Heed ye flowers, bush and tree
    by the Lady blessed be
    Where the rippling waters go
    Cast a stone the thruth ye'll know

    When you have and hold a need
    harken not to others greed.
    With a fool no season spend
    or be counted as his friend.

    Merry meet and Merry part
    bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
    Mind ye threefold law you should,
    three times bad and three times good.

    When mistfortune is enow,
    wear the star above thy brow.
    True in love must ye ever be,
    lest thy love be false to thee.

    These eight words the wiccan rede fulfill;
    "An it harm none, do as ye will"

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    As Haiko said,

    You knew exactly what you were doing and made a cognitive decision to do so, as such you MUST pay the consequences for your actions.

    Your claim of not having the intelligence to know it was wrong is baloney and I have reacted accordingly.

    Laziness in itself isn't something I would have a problem with--it's when you try to get the rewards associated with EFFORT, with unethical means.

    Haiko is right, you MUST face the consequences for your actions, and steps have been taken. But, I do believe that you should have guidance as to how to get the tools to do things properly.

    You mention years of study and then a job. The Fate Equal to Death.

    However, LIKE MEDICINE, a smaller amount can actually IMPROVE your life!!! I am saying that yes--a decent amount of time at least, spent in the University and a job would HELP you. Here's why:

    You would be exposed CLOSE-UP to those more mature than you are, and hopefully mature as a result. This effect isn't guaranteed, but if you never meet a lot of more mature people, FACE TO FACE, it's not going to happen. When it comes to that, the Net is not a real help.

    In School, you would find out that EFFORT can actually be rewarding. Good grades from YOUR OWN EFFORT will show you that your own effort 1) Can indeed be effective and 2) IS rewarding.

    College is a lot diffent than the lower schools, too. People aren't usually such jerks...(The mandatory classes have jerks in the lowest year of college, but they tend to flunk out after a term or two!)

    In a JOB, preferably one that exposes you to a lot of people, you will find out which behaviors are ACCEPTABLE, and--Don't block your ears here, this is important--in fact, I will go so far as to state that what I am about to say is THE KEY!


    Do NOT take a "sales" job. Pick some low-level job where you will make money whether you can sell anything or not! That way, you won't have so much at stake that you end up desperate. You need your mind clear and un-desperate so you can just try a different pitch, on a different person, if (When!) your initial attempts don't work. (I say When because this DOES take practice before it will work!!!)

    Here's how it goes. The customer walks in and wants to find something. Show 'em where it is. Answer their questions about things. The best job is one that gives you a lot of time on the sales floor, with no authority whatsoever. The NO AUTHORITY is important. It gives you the ability to pass off difficult customers to the rank above you...and, importantly, you still get paid even when you can't yet convince anybody of anything.

    Try out different ways of responding to the customers, and persuading them. You'll eventually find out, that certain things will almost always please and persuade the customer. A way of talking. What to say. How to act. What NOT to promise. How to make product claims, WITHOUT lying or being shady.

    And what you use this persuasion for is:


    As in, say they come in for bread. You need to learn how to get the person to pick a particular brand. (Practice this for every item you can, not just bread!)

    Don't just try to get them to buy the most expensive thing, either. Pick brands at random.

    That bolded part above is the key. When you learn it, and can do it CONSISTANTLY:

    Put it on the Net.

    Once you have had all that practice in the retail store, what to say and how to say it should not be any more trouble to you. Your writing skill may still be unpolished--but you'll know what points to hit. You'll know what makes the sale. You should be able to get an acceptable CR if you know those points. To make up for a lower CR than polished writing could bring, you can promote more merchants or items which are easier to convert. There is NEVER a need to steal!

    There's e-books and paper books about selling, but EXPERIENCE is worth more than the lot of them.

    And yes--I learned how to do that at the Farmer Jack Grocery, as a Bagger. (Bagger is the bottom rank during store hours.) I cussed out that job while was doing it!!! Couldn't stand it! It sucked! It was LIKE TAKING MEDICINE!!!! But remember what I said about Medicine at the start of this post!

    But when I started making Revenue Pages, it showed itself to be Worth It after all.

    PS--No, this does NOT mean we are "friends", NOR does it mean that you're forgiven! Personally I think you're full of malarkey--but if there's any chance you really want to play it straight, I figured I would post a way!

    [ 12-12-2001: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    I have 2 teen boys. They have made mistakes, some very stupid. You live, you learn. Now is the time to reaccess who you are and who you want to be. Take time to learn. Admitting you made a mistake and making a sincere apology are just the first steps in moving forward. You will live through this, you will have learned from this (hopefully), now you must EARN the trust and respect back.
    I got this poem below from a friend. It is a good one!! Many words of wisdom. Learn from it.
    Vicki [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]


    A time comes in your life when you finally get it... when, in the midst of all your fears and insanity, you stop dead in your tracks and somewhere the voice inside your head cries out - ENOUGH! Enough fighting and crying or struggling to hold on. And, like a child quieting down after a blind tantrum, your sobs begin to subside, you shudder once or twice, you blink back your tears an begin to look at the world through new eyes.

    This is your awakening.

    You realize it’s time to stop hoping and waiting for something to change... or for happiness, safety and security to come galloping over the next horizon. You come to terms with the fact that neither of you is Prince Charming or Cinderella and that in the real world there aren’t always fairy tale endings (or beginnings for that matter) and that any guarantee of “happily ever after” must begin with you... and in the process a sense of serenity is born of acceptance.

    You awaken to the fact that you are not perfect and that not everyone will always love, appreciate or approve of who or what you are... and that’s OK They are entitled to their own views and opinions. And you learn the importance of loving and championing yourself... and in the process a sense of new found confidence is born of self-approval.

    You stop complaining and blaming other people for things they did to you (or didn’t do for you) and you learn that the only thing you can really count on in the unexpected. You learn that people don’t always say what they mean or mean what they say and that not everyone will always be there for you and that it’s not always about you. So, you learn to stand on your own and to take care of yourself...and in the process a sense of safety and security is
    born of self-reliance.

    You stop judging and pointing fingers and you begin to accept people as they are and to overlook their shortcomings and human frailties... and in the process a sense of peace and contentment is born of forgiveness.

    You realize that much of the way you view yourself and the world around you, is as a result of all the messages and opinions that have been ingrained into your psyche. And you begin to sift through all the junk you’ve been fed about how you should behave, how you should look, how much you should weigh, what you should wear, what you should drive, how and where you should live, who you should marry, the importance of having and raising children, and what you owe your parents, family, and friends.

    You learn to open up to new worlds and different points of view. And you begin reassessing and redefining who you are and what you really stand for.

    You learn the difference between wanting and needing and you begin to discard the doctrines and values you’ve outgrown, or should never have bought into to begin with... and in the process you learn to go with your instincts.

    You learn that it is truly in giving that we receive. And that there is power and glory in creating and contributing and you stop maneuvering through life merely as a “consumer” looking for your next fix.

    You learn that principles such as honesty and integrity are not the outdated ideals of a bygone era but the mortar that holds together the foundation upon which you must build a life.

    You learn that you don’t know everything. It’s not your job to save the world and that you can’t teach a pig to sing.

    You learn to distinguish between guilt and responsibility and the importance of setting boundaries and learning to say NO.

    You learn that the only cross to bear is the one you choose to carry and that martyrs get burned at the stake.

    Then you learn about love.

    How to love, how much to give in love, when to stop giving and when to walk away.

    You learn to look at relationships as they really are and not as you would have them be. You stop trying to control people, situations and outcomes. And you learn that alone does not mean lonely.

    You also stop working so hard at putting your feelings aside, smoothing things over and ignoring your needs. You learn that feelings of entitlement are perfectly OK... and that it is your right to want things and to ask for the things you want... and that sometimes it is necessary to make demands.

    You come to the realization that you deserve to be treated with love, kindness, sensitivity and respect and you won’t settle for less.

    And you learn that you body really is your temple. And you begin to care for it and treat it with respect. You begin to eat a balanced diet, drink more water, and take more time to exercise. You learn that being tired fuels doubt, fear, and uncertainty and so you take more time to rest. And, just as food fuels the body, laughter fuels our soul. So you take more time to laugh and to play.

    You learn that, for the most part, you get in life what you believe you deserve... and that much of life truly is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

    You learn that anything worth achieving is worth working for and that wishing for something to happen is different from working toward making it happen. More importantly, you learn that in order to achieve success you need direction, discipline and perseverance.

    You also learn that no one can do it all alone... and that it’s OK to risk asking for help. You learn the only thing you must truly fear is the greatest robber baron of all: FEAR itself. You learn to step right into and through your fears because you know that whatever happens you can handle it and to give in to fear is to give away the right to live life on your own terms. And you learn to fight for your life and not to squander it living under a cloud of impending doom.

    You learn that life isn’t always fair, you don’t always get what you think you deserve and that sometimes bad things happen to unsuspecting, good people. On these occasions you learn not to personalize things.

    You learn that the Great Spirit isn’t punishing you or failing to answer your prayers. It’s just life happening.

    And you learn to deal with evil in its most primal state - the ego.

    You learn that negative feelings such as anger, envy, and resentment must be understood and redirected or they will suffocate the life out of you and poison the universe that surrounds you. You learn to admit when you are wrong and to build bridges instead of walls.

    You learn to be thankful and to take comfort in many of the simple things we take for granted, things that millions of people upon the earth can only dream about: a full refrigerator, clean running water, a warm bed, a hot shower.

    Slowly, you begin to take responsibility for yourself by yourself and you make yourself a promise to never betray yourself and to never, ever settle for less than your heart’s desire.

    And you hang a windchime outside your window so you can listen to the wind. And you make it a point to keep smiling, to keep trusting, and to stay open to every wonderful possibility.

    Finally, with courage in your heart and the Great Spirit by your side you take a stand, you take a deep breath, and you begin to design the life you want to live as best you can.

    ~author unknown~

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    Hey you guys, this isn't meant to be funney but Pranav lives in India and there probably isn't a 7 eleven on every street corner.

    He did wrong but the idea that he shouldn't continue on with what he had been doing so well at is not realistic unless my knowledge of India is very outdated.

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    Everything that needs to be said has
    been said but I'd like to add:
    One thing you will learn in life is that choices made out of desperation are inevitably wrong!
    When in doubt, find your center, be still and wait for the pointer to show the way. You can't make a mistake if you do this, but as you have seen, it can catastrophic if you rush forward and act in desperation.

    You are a young man with considerable talent,put it to good use, respect others and yourself and remember nothing worth achieving ever comes easily.

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    If I ever do a content site I'll know where to go to get the content! lol - ya'll got some monster posts.

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    Heyder--Pranav said that Mumbai is what's known as Bombay by us in the USA. Bombay's a rather large city and can well be expected to have some big stores in it, from what I understand. The fact that he/his family has a computer also says to me that he's likely to be within a reasonable distance from retail establishments.

    And being in India is no excuse to go on with theivery!

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    Well Leader, you are a lot more understanding than I would be in this situation - actually giving him well thought out advice and all.

    The punk says that if you want to take action you'll have to do it half a world away. It just sounds like taunting to me.

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