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    Use Flash, Java or ActiveX controls? Read this!
    There are BIG changes coming in the way that embedded controls work in Internet Explorer, mainly impacting things like Java, Flash and ActiveX components. See:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/04/03/ms_patches_ie/
    http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?storyid=1228
    http://blogs.technet.com/msrc/archiv...29/423560.aspx

    The upshot is that if you're using anything fancy on your website it might not work for visitors from next week.. so it's worth checking them out NOW by downloading the "preview" patch from http://support.microsoft.com/kb/912945 (it only works on XP).

    Personally, I don't think these kind of fancy controls work well for affiliate sites, but sometimes merchants use 'em so it'll be worth checking your site out as soon as you can.
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    Haven't downloaded it to see what it looks like but I've read on other forums that it may affect Adsense (since it's in Java - that was in the beta version some were reporting problems with Adsense and IE7 but not sure if it was a bug or an 'intentional mistake')? Another sneaky swipe by Brother Bill on Google perchance?

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    AdSense seems to work just fine - but I suspect that Flash banners might not.
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    Javascript != Java. Adsense is Javascript.

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    Javascript and Java are not the same
    "Despite the name, JavaScript is only distantly related to the Java programming language, the main similarity being their common debt to the C programming language. JavaScript has far more in common with the Self programming language."

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    So not Javascript then

    But I have seen a few sites with reduced functionality since I installed the patch, especially those with Flash banners or navigation.
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    Good info. From the SEO persepective, I've always had a strong dislike for Flash because it can be detrimental to your search engine rankings.

    Just to clarify the Java != JavaScript issue a bit more. Java was developed by Sun Micosystems. JavaScript was developed by Netscape in 1995 and was originally called LiveScript.

    In the mid 1990s, many Web gurus believed that Java was going to rule the Internet in a few years. They were all wrong.
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    Bad news for GigaGolf with an entire FLASH site trying to stir up sales. They'd best design a Flash and non-flash site. Point the affiliate links to the non-flash version.
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    I posted about this a few weeks ago but no one seemed to care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    I posted about this a few weeks ago but no one seemed to care.
    Well, now they do. Be happy that you were one of the first to catch on
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    I agree with Jim Edward's and think this will be a good thing:

    http://www.igottatellyou.com/blog/ar...our_websi.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by waybar
    I agree with Jim Edward's and think this will be a good thing:

    http://www.igottatellyou.com/blog/ar...our_websi.html
    This isn't hype. Some people's sites are going to stop working.

    The current ways aren't broken and work across all browsers, they do not require activex on other browsers, only IE - so there is nothing to reinvent, nor is this going to push innovation. Now a bunch of time and money needs to be spent to get your sites to work with IE.

    I have no idea who Jim Edwards is past a guy who can't get basic layout to work on a website, but he is really mistaken about the impact this will have on websites currently displaying movies or other rich media content. There is going to be nothing in the next 3 days that saves these website owners, their sites are going to suck unless they spend time/money fixing them.

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    Active X and everything still works in IE the only difference is now you have to click it once to activate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HardwareGeek
    Active X and everything still works in IE the only difference is now you have to click it once to activate.
    Will your average websurfer click it to activate or not?
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    Using the default install, youtube and googlevideo just die. Show no content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chetf
    Using the default install, youtube and googlevideo just die. Show no content.
    Is that an incentive for the webviewer to give the original click?
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    there is zero indication you need to click, or clicking would help. Clicking doesn't help by the way. There is just a big black square on google video. youtube has a background image that says loading - but essentially the same - nothing.

    7 may handle it differently. I tested this with the recent patch and 6.x

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    What are you guys talking about zero indication telling you to click.

    When IE blocks Active X or any tool on your site it will indicate what is being blocked by placing a border around that OBJECT.

    When you place your mouse on the object view screen shot to see the tool tip that pops up.

    The site I visited was mets.com
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    Are you using 6.x with the patch or 7x? Because in 6.x on google video and youtube, there is no indication to click and clicking does nothing. I would attach an image to show you the big black box, but you can duplicate it by just closing your eyes.

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    And by the way, even if it did work the way you describe, I think having to click all of these different elements to get them to work is pretty damn broke.

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    I am using IE 6.x with no patches just what windows update gives me. I can not use IE 7 since it breaks microsoft Money.

    Microsoft is doing this to settle a patent dispute.

    Here is a screen of my entire browser.

    Notice the so called blocked control still works it displays the content it is supposed to (it rotates the content)

    But for me to use the play button and manually change the content I have to click to activate it first.
    http://img385.imageshack.us/my.php?image=12yf3.jpg

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    What happens for you on youtube or google video?

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    Doesn't show any warnings and the video plays on both sites.

    Read this
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...ng_activex.asp

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    I have my behavoir on 2 seperate pcs - what are you activex settings for your browser? I wonder if i have an odd security setting?

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    My internet security settings are set to custom but the active x controls are at the default settings I did not change them so basically Medium

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