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    Newbie Tenderspirit's Avatar
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    I need help am really frustrated.
    I am a newbie and just don't know what direction to go. I hear about all kinds of people making money on-line. I just started in Feb 2006 but all I have done is spend money and I mean alot of it. I started a mall with one company but they never seemed to get my store links to work so I could never promote the site, it was an income portal so had a bunch of other stuff too. But, could not promote a broken site. Then the customer service sucked. I emailed to get support and got back yes no answers. And kept telling me they were all working. Well, Duh, if I click on each one and it tells me error, it's not working. So long story short I created a mall of my own. I am a linkshare affiliate so all my affiliate stores I took with me. But I really could use some direction. It appears you all or the peoples whos posts I have read are getting good traffic. Do you have any good suggestions for me. I have joined a bunch of safelist submissions etc. Help!!!! I am going to the poor house quick. I live in a very remote area and need to be able to make a living on line. Thanks

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    Getting traffic is the hardest thing. If you're paying some co. to make a 'mall' for you, they're probably not filling the mall with customers.

    You need to find a niche. Some narrow category
    where people are searching and will find value in what you offer.

    search engines don't reward copycat sites- make yours different enough and you may eventually start getting traffic.

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    Tenderspirit, don't

    First of all, welcome to ABW! You've certainly found the right place to learn all of the things you need to learn

    Secondly:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenderspirit
    I am a linkshare affiliate so all my affiliate stores I took with me...
    Is it just LS merchants that you promote? They why did you post this in the SaS forum? You're moving in the right direction, but I would like to know your thoughts (please).

    Thirdly:
    Quote Originally Posted by Tenderspirit
    I live in a very remote area and need to be able to make a living on line.
    Where exactly is the "remote area"? You certainly can make a living online, but besides yourself there are close to 25k on this very forum trying to do the same. So the competition is serious, and one needs to be prepared to learn. Just as in any business, study the subject you're going to dive into as thoroughly as possible and only once you know the details - dive in. You say that you've spent a lot of money on it already... What exactly are you spending your money on (that doesn't give you a good ROI)?

    Geno

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    I guess I am confused. What is a SaS forum. I arrived at this forum through Tiger Direct, as I am an affilate of theirs. I was under the impression this forum was for people who were Linkshare people. NO??? Good Lord and I went to college too! The tons of money I spent was I joined a program and spent 600 in pre-enrolled people, another 90 on leads, and another 200 on products, then I have about 8 or 9 domains and several hosting then I have bought ebooks and resale rights, then, and then and then. Also, submitters, all of them, and several marketing co. monthly submittion programs that I can mail out daily. Just plain lots of stuff. I read and read and read and try to get all the info I can. Ten to 16 hours a day. It is now 4:30 A.M. and I have been at this since 4 pm so far. So........ I am trying hard to learn and that is why I posted the question.
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    AM Navigator Geno Prussakov's Avatar
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    Sorry. "SaS" = ShareaSale (another affiliate network with a ton of great parasite FREE merchants on it). There is a Linkshare Affiliate Forum at ABW and it may be found here: http://forum.abestweb.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21

    Good thing that you're reading.

    So is your question on traffic (how to get good one) or is it about how to make money online? If the former - read what simcat said, and try learning some PPC techniques. If the latter - then I'm afraid it's too broad for anyone to even start helping you with this one. Try to narrow it to a more concrete one, and I'm sure you'll get good help here.

    Geno

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    Grand Opening Soon:
    I have read somewhere that having a "Opening Soon" or "Under Construction" sign on the website is no good for the search engines.

    And since you have a "Grand Opening Soon:" sign on the main entrance page, that may be no good for getting new visitors NOW, but I don't know what others may say about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenderspirit
    The tons of money I spent was I joined a program and spent 600 in pre-enrolled people, another 90 on leads, and another 200 on products, then I have about 8 or 9 domains and several hosting then I have bought ebooks and resale rights, then, and then and then. Also, submitters, all of them, and several marketing co. monthly submittion programs that I can mail out daily.
    If you have no clue how to fly an airplane, would you go buy a 747 and jump behind the wheel and try to fly to Europe? This analogy might not sound real nice, but it is accurate.

    You spent a ton of money on a lot of stuff that you will most likely never use, much less recoup your expenses. That is too bad, but it isn't a reason to quit.

    Take a step back, take a deep breath and get a good night's sleep to start. Next, think of an item or a group of items that you know something about. I saw in another thread you mentioned being an accountant? If so, make a site promoting accounting software and accounting books etc. You need to start with something that you can write some pages of original content about. This does two things. It gives you some credibility in the eyes of your shopper and it gets your site listed in the search engines. A mall site with a lot of photos and links and no real substance might get listed, but it will be buried so deep that it will never be found. Give someone a reason to buy from your site and this will also give the SEs a reason to give you decent placement.

    When someone tells you they can show you how to make a lot of money on the web for $49.95, run like hell!!!

    Best of luck!


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    What UncleScooter said. It's like you're going full speed but directionless. And you only started 2 months ago, it's going to take some time, this isn't a get rich kind of deal.

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    "in pre-enrolled people, another 90 on leads"

    If they're not good enough for them to keep for themselves, then they're not worth buying from them.

    Just build your own sites, and sell products for merchants who do not make you pay for the "privilege" of selling their stuff for them.

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    Hi Tenderspirit,

    First - Weclome to ABW
    Second - Basic 101 - webdesign
    There are plenty of templates that you can buy- example : monster template, just try searching. Also there are a few place that can help you setup your shopping mall very inexpensive on the net.
    Try searching for some portals - ScriptLance that offer these type of services.. they are on a bid system.
    Best,
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    First I must thank you all for taking your precious time to respond to my scream for help. That encourages me much. Second, you made my night I actually had to laugh out loud. I got tickled with the responces. As for Lexad: I Joined a company that set up my first mall, at 36.00 a month that was the one that my links never worked and no telephone support, to me though I won't mention names as it might hurt another person who is currently using such, but it was a big waste of 72.00 plus the set up. Also I wanted control of my own vendors. enough said.
    As for the remote area: I live in Pioneer, CA up in the foothills about 3200 feet elevation, about 68 miles from South Lake Tahoe. The entire town witch covers many miles has around 700 people I believe. I live out of town down a dirt road in the middle of the forest. When it snows I can't get out. Thank God that does happen too much. It's one of those places you don't want your car to break down because cell phones don't work and there are no emergancy phones on the side of the road. And people aren't always nice like they used to be. Thus the burning desire to work from home. I do some accounting from home but just don't want to do something new
    Mr Sal: You are correct and I also read such. I put grand opening soon because I have in there that there are lots of free things, and I haven't put them in yet, nor 200 stores, so that would make me a liar. Pretty hard to trust a liar to buy your products from. I would have put the free stuff in, but I don't know how. So, I have been reading, reading etc to learn how to do all that I need to do. I did have an under construction sign in there too but read the same, and took it out. I haven't really started to promote the site much as it is not ready. Where I blew most of the money was on programs, you know the kind, sell tech support, health products, etc. Then of course you have to buy such also at a very nice price. But, for me the big one was the pre enrolled leads. Being new I did not realize that free pre-enrolled people do not upgrade at a very big percent. After the fact I learned maybe 2 to 4 percent. And since I am not very good at hype and telling people I am making big money when I am not, those businesses don't work well for me. I can not try to get someone to spend money on something that I have not tried myself and made money. So, that is a no go.
    ScooterI bought another guide, for lack of a better term, and you are absolutely correct. I have been racking my brain for a niche. It really made me sad that at 54 years old I could not just think of anything that I really had a passion for. What a bore. I have a passion for recovery, alcohol, drugs, abuse etc. I was a psych major before business admin, accounting and am a certified human service worker. But, from what I have read, I don't know if that is a good way to go as the competition is huge. Lots of stuff written for audult children of alcoholics, and alcohol recovery, and abuse recovery. I thought about accounting but haven't quite figured out the way to go there, but am working on it I am not a CPA but I am a Quickbooks specialist. I could certainly write some articles about that. I have many e-books on niches so guess I will start reading a few more and figure it out. I just want to say I really like in a strong way, you guys. I would say love buy you'd laugh. I will certainly keep you updated and get your feedback when I write my ??? Or would you suggest submitting it to an accounting site? Tenderspirit
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    Your niche is self-sustaining living off the grid information and products.

    You can teach people how to prepare and live when they are miles from help, trapped by snow and may be out of communication for significant periods of time.

    Write about that and, then sell the products they will need.

    Tell about how to deal with the emotional impact of isolation and sell the comfort items they will need. Tell about the joys of solitude for a family or one person and sell the things to make it even better.

    Share your story and then share your toys.

    BTW are you a former hippy, current Pagan, over 30, who did not sell out to the establishment? If so, you are in a whole lot of good company.
    Comments are opinion unless otherwise noted. Remember, pillage first. Then burn. Half of all people in the world have IQs under 100. You best learn to trust ol' SSanf!

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    Write pages of content on recovery from addiction. Those Adsense clicks will pay well! Go back and publish all papers you wrote in school. Any personal experience would be great food for Adsense. It sounds to me like you can make more with Adsense than you can with affiliate products. Write case studies (annonymous of course) of the people you have worked with as a human service worker.
    Write a manual of how to use Quickbooks in the most efficient way. Sell it as an ebook or publish it on a site and use Adsense on it.
    You have a wealth of knowledge and experience and it will be the key to your making a success in the online world. There are people making $15,000 - $20,000 a month with Adsense, even more than that. Write write write. Make your Adsense blocks look like part of your site. Take the time to integrate them into your scheme. You will make money. I guarantee it.
    Now send me $29.95 for the advice! j/k


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    Quote Originally Posted by SSanf
    Your niche is self-sustaining living off the grid information and products.

    BTW are you a former hippy, current Pagan, over 30, who did not sell out to the establishment? If so, you are in a whole lot of good company.
    Man, I love all that stuff!!!
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    Welcome Tenderspirit. Those Template Malls (like vstores etc) sold by the low-lifes in this industry will never make monay. I got sucked into several and never made a dime. Get some cheap domain hosting and stay away from the major brick-n-mortar merchant programs. TigerDirect stands out for computer gear, but a cybermall needs more variety of internaal web shops. Those are landing pages for search engine listings and easily can be populated with Share a Sale merchants and some from CJ and Linkshare too.

    Add in some Google Adsense text blocks on your pages and have some fun promoiting products you really care about. That pre-sell spin is your customer facing content. Take a look at my Mall www.ecomcity.com and regardless of what my critics here say it does get traffic, even if the commissions have dropped as I'm a BHO parasite target for cookie hijackers. Open new storefront sections when your satisfied they have a nice shopper selection. Use SAS "make a page" feature and you can try some of those Goldenecan merchants for a quickie product feed display with one line of code for merchants on several networks.

    Then burn some hours here learning from what others post.
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    Hi Tender spirit I read your posts and thought you might like to know that there are many like you out there ( here? )

    As for the remote area: I live in Pioneer, CA up in the foothills about 3200 feet elevation, about 68 miles from South Lake Tahoe. The entire town witch covers many miles has around 700 people I believe. I live out of town down a dirt road in the middle of the forest. When it snows I can't get out. Thank God that does happen too much. It's one of those places you don't want your car to break down because cell phones don't work and there are no emergancy phones on the side of the road. And people aren't always nice like they used to be. Thus the burning desire to work from home. I do some accounting from home but just don't want to do something new
    I live on a forty acre property in the "bush" as we call anywhere outside of Sydney or Melbourne. I'm only 10kms ( about 7 miles ) out from a regional centre ( pop. 3000 - the big smoke, gets me nervous when I drive to town to bank etc. ). No town power or water or mail delivery etc. on a dirt road surrounded by national park overlooking the ocean ...mmm...

    But thank goodness for satellite telecommunications ( no mobile coverage either ) but people are still generally really nice here ( still don't want to break down ).

    Why not start a blog/site linking like minded or non mainstream dwellers together world wide as mentioned by SS? I would look in.

    I' m not sure that all alternate non town dwellers are old hippies though. Where I live many are ex public servants, city professionals and cashed up 40+ s who have made what we call, and I think there is the same trend in other western countries, sea changers ( or in your case tree changers ).

    BTW our neighbour is selling his solar powered mud brick place for $1.8 million AU ( its in a fantastic spot ). But there are still lots of old hippies around the district, everyone is into permaculture, hobby farming and all that stuff plus lots of great artists and professional art dealers ( high ticket items ). Does your community have an arts scene that's something to tap into as a good subject to continually update. Maybe in exchange for some book keeping a gallery or artist might write articles for you.

    There are mainstream books and magazines for sale here on the subject because the sea change stuff is such a huge phenomena. Every Aussie dreams of giving up work and living be the sea or running away to the country ( 90% of Australians actually live in a major urban centres ) but the dream is still there. What do people in your neck of the woods dream about? Can you help them follow that dream in some way?

    Anyway because I'm not a cashed up professional I better get back to earning a crust.

    Susan

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecomcity
    Get some cheap domain hosting and stay away from the major brick-n-mortar merchant programs.
    What do you mean by that? Aren't some of the "brick-n-mortar merchant programs" okay? Target? etc...

    Many of the big programs are from names that are well known, so how does one choose?
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    Rhia: I think what econcity was telling me about brick-n-mortar was referring to the kind of mall, like the one I origionally joined many are called income portals which is what mine was called. They supposidly get you customers too. In my case I could never really advertise their site because it never worked correctly. Finally when I said I was going to quit, they offered to set up a time for tech support to call me. They were also going through some major changes with their Linkshare. Perhaps it would have all worked out but I just gave up on it. I wanted to have controll. Controll freak here LOL No not really, but needed to use all the add stuff I bought and could not with that income source. As for the customers they were supposed to get me I don't believe I ever made a dime. That is why I created my own web mall. But, now with all the fuss about parasites that I am reading I surely don't want to have my customers get them from me.... So have created a new site and am working on it. I am not going to abandon the mall, just going to let it sit there for awhile till I can figure out a good way to go with it. I spent too darn many hours creating it to wipe it out completely.
    Econcity: I enjoyed your mall. Certainly a lot more interesting than mine. I can see mine needs a lot of work. So, for now it is on hold. I am going to continue to visit this forum and I am also working on my new recovery site: see I do listen. I just started it and will prob. change it 100 times. It is at www.FreedomsProcess.com . That was the best domain name I could get from .com. All the really good ones I thought of were taken. I figured this one has a lot of potential. I can go several ways with it. Recovery is definitely a freedom from bad habbits, and it is definately a process. I am not a webmaster and only have FrontPage at the moment. I also have an insite, website that I created a forum but don't know where to go with that either. It was going to be a home business help forum. But with so many good ones like this one. Prob. a waste of a good web hosting account. So, on with the show. Am still reading some very good books on the subject. This learning new stuff is good for me. I stopped when I graduated in 1997 as was burned out at 200 to 300 pages a day. (Yes I was a re-entry student) Got sober and life changed. Now sober over 17 years, and hope to stay that way. I am not down on people who are not though. We all have our paths.
    Thanks for all your help and ideas. Hugs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    What do you mean by that? Aren't some of the "brick-n-mortar merchant programs" okay? Target? etc...

    Many of the big programs are from names that are well known, so how does one choose?
    It is a fact Rhia7 that major Brick-n-Mortar programs just exist to push foot traffic to their real stores. That is their mission statement for having an affiliate enabled site. Advertise store specials , have in-store customer pickups (no comish) 800# ordering and live-help telemarketing, direct mail and build million customer e-mailing cookie washing lists.
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    Brick and mortar stores work great for me. I've never had a problem getting sales from merchants people have actually heard of. Power of the brand.

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