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  1. #1
    What's the word? Rhia7's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveinid

    Spam.com?, ... the proprieters of this board have replaced that link with the spam link.
    It's a replacement.


    I will say this: watch out for Jeremy Palmer's newsletter. I made the mistake of signing up for it and found out that he embeds some type of cookie that picks up sensitive info from your computer.

    I unsubscribed myself from the newsletter & deleted the one with that cookie that has the abilitity to pick up info I would rather not send to people.
    ~Rhia7 -- Remember the 7
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    Newbie QuitYourDayJob.com's Avatar
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    Rhia,

    I would like you to point out to me where in my newsletter I have a cookie that collects “sensitive” information off of your computer.

    Here is a copy of my latest newsletter:
    http://www.quityourdayjob.com/newsletter/04212006.html

    Better yet, why don’t you show all of us the newsletter that you received that contains this malicious cookie that you are speaking about?

    There are two pieces of information that my newsletter, and 99% of other newsletters collect:

    1- E-mail open rate – This tells me how many of my subscribers open the e-mails I send.
    2- Click-through rate – This tells me how many people click on the links within my e-mail.

    This information is tracked using cookies, which are unable to steal sensitive information off of your computer… Unless you know something about cookies that the rest of us don’t:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_cookie
    http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2109/rfc2109

    I certainly don’t expect an apology from someone that makes up blatant lies, but I certainly hope that you will think twice about saying such libelous things in the future without the proper facts in place.

    Regards,

    Jeremy Palmer

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    ABW Ambassador Steveinid's Avatar
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    Jeremy, if you showed a little more tact and understanding plus a willingness to correct a person who has mis-information, you might just get an apology and a thankyou as well. And who knows... maybe a few extra subscribers.

    Your attack attitude really turned me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveinid
    Jeremy, if you showed a little more tact and understanding plus a willingness to correct a person who has mis-information, you might just get an apology and a thankyou as well. And who knows... maybe a few extra subscribers.

    Your attack attitude really turned me off.
    I think Rhia should have shown a little more tact before posting unrelated and untrue information about my newsletter. It was completely off-subject, and had nothing to do with your question, it was simply another unecessary attack on me.

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    What's the word? Rhia7's Avatar
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    This is what I am referring to
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    Is that some kind of cookie? I wanted to analyze this the other night and then I saw that the name I use to endorse checks would be splattered all over the Internet.

    I immediately erased the post I was going to make.

    That really scared me and it scared my Mother too.

    Why did you program your e-mail newsletter to pick up legal information I use when I set up my computer and register/install software? What else do you pick up?
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    Hello Rhia,

    The information you are describing (your full name) was information you submitted when you opted-in to my newsletter. It's attached to the e-mail for customization purposes (e.g. Hello INSERT NAME HERE) and nothing else. It's not collected off of your computer.

    If it was truly a misunderstanding, I would not have responded the way I did, but the inflection of your post, coupled with recent flamings on this board have me on the defensive.

    Jeremy

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuitYourDayJob.com
    I think Rhia should have shown a little more tact before posting unrelated and untrue information about my newsletter. It was completely off-subject, and had nothing to do with your question, it was simply another unecessary attack on me.
    I signed up for your newsletter with good faith.

    Somehow "<o _______>" has the ability to pick up sensitive information.

    <o: DELETED SENSITIVE INFO>
    Why can the above pick up sensitive information (i.e. my entire legal name)?

    Why did you program your e-mail newsletter to pick up legal information I use when I set up my computer and register/install software? What else do you pick up?

    Someone who looks for blogs also probably looks for e-newsletters (not a big stretch of the imagination).

    I was interested in your little doo-dad that you insert into your letters (seee above) and actually created a post about your embedded doo-dad (cookie, xml doo-dad -- what would you call it?) I posted it here but saw my personal information so I immediately tried to alter the post (I caught my info pretty quickly, before feedburner caught it). I don't want my person information that I use to register equipment and software to be volleyed around the Internet.

    After my experience I started to warn others.

    Otherwise, I have no reason to "attack you." I do not know you, I was neutral towards you before this incident happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuitYourDayJob.com
    Hello Rhia,

    The information you are describing (your full name) was information you submitted when you opted-in to my newsletter. It's attached to the e-mail for customization purposes (e.g. Hello INSERT NAME HERE) and nothing else. It's not collected off of your computer.

    If it was truly a misunderstanding, I would not have responded the way I did, but the inflection of your post, coupled with recent flamings on this board have me on the defensive.

    Jeremy
    "<o _______>" captured something different, much different than what I used when I opted-in your newsletter.

    You see, I opened up a portion of your newsletter in Microsoft Word that I wanted to save as a word doc just for my private use and then I saw this "living thing" right in the paragraph I was interested in. Word had the ability to open it and then if I copy that into a .txt or anything else "<o _______>" picks up information I used to register my computer which is different from what I use to join newsletters.
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    Let me try explain how it works:
    Rhia,

    I think you might still be confused about how your name got into the e-mail. Let me try to clarify.

    When you signed up for my opt-in newsletter, you submitted your name and e-mail address.

    This information is collected so that when I send out newsletters the newsletter is more personalized.

    The e-mail program that I use to send out newsletters takes my database of opt-in names and inserts it into the individual e-mails that are sent out.

    I also wanted to clarify what cookies can and cannot do:

    Cookies can track information between your interaction with a website and your computer. The only information they can gather are the pages you visit, and any information you may have submitted to the website.

    Cookies cannot pull any sensitive information off of your computer such as your name, e-mail, or whatever else, unless you submit that information to a website that has a tracking cookie in place.

    Cookies can only be read by the servers that set them. For example, if you visit Yahoo.com and then proceded to my website, I could not tell that you visited Yahoo before you came to my site. However, if you visit my site, leave personal info, and then come back to my site a few days later, my server would be able to read the cookie that was set by my website.

    Cookies are by themselves quite harmless. They are merely small text files placed on your computer that help websites track their own visitors and trends. They cannot scrape, or pull data off of your computer.

    The only way for somebody to pull data off of your computer is by installing some kind of spyware or virus on it. This could be done through e-mail if they attached some kind of executable or malicious script to the e-mail, which I would never do.

    Hopefully knowing this will help you to understand that there is nothing to "warn" people about.

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    Split out from the blogs thread since it is a totally different topic....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    I know what name I signed up with you



    The smart tags are pretty smart because <o: DELETED SENSITIVE INFO> picked up the name that was used to register the computer I was using (different from one of my many e-mail names)

    Had I been at my Uncle's home at his computer (he lets me use it) <o: DELETED SENSITIVE INFO> would have picked up his name.
    Moved from other thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    "<o _______>" captured something different, much different than what I used when I opted-in your newsletter.

    You see, I opened up a portion of your newsletter in Microsoft Word that I wanted to save as a word doc just for my private use and then I saw this "living thing" right in the paragraph I was interested in. Word had the ability to open it and then if I copy that into a .txt or anything else "<o _______>" picks up information I used to register my computer which is different from what I use to join newsletters.
    Rhia,

    I think what you're talking about is Microsoft's Smart Tags (http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/as...833041033.aspx), which are completely unrelated to my e-mail. Here is an excerpt from Microsoft's own website:

    You enable smart tags by selecting smart tag recognizers from a list (Tools menu, AutoCorrect Options command, Smart Tags tab). Each smart tag recognizer identifies a type of data, such as names, dates, or telephone numbers, and contains the logic needed to provide one or more actions for each data type.

    When you type text into a new document or open an existing document, the logic in the smart tag looks for words that match the data types in the list. When the smart tag finds a match, it places a smart tag indicator— a dotted purple line— under the term and enables the appropriate actions.

    The actions you can take depend on the type of data that Word recognizes and labels with a smart tag.

    For example, "Nate Sun" in the previous example is recognized as a "person name" smart tag with actions you can take, such as Open Contact, Schedule a Meeting, Add to Contacts, or Insert Address.

    If you select the Add to Contacts action, you can add the name and address to your Outlook contact folder without copying the information, opening Outlook, and then pasting the information into a contact card.
    I use industry standard software (Constant Contact - www.constantcontact.com) to manage my opt-in list and deliver e-mails. This is a third-party service provider used by thousands of small businesses to manage e-mail. Once again, I assure you that it does not have the capability to extract any personal identifiable information off of your computer, or your uncles

    Best,

    Jeremy

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