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  1. #1
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    Now I know that Google is broken
    My own family homepages go back to 1997 and so I guess that means they pre-date Google.

    Always been pretty well indexed by Google without any problems.

    If I do do a search for

    firstname lastname site:mypages.myisp.co.uk

    Google returns ... results 1 to 7 of 10

    #1 mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html Supplemental Result

    and no sign of mypages.myisp.co.uk/

    but if I then click on "repeat the search with the omitted results included."
    at the bottom of the results then

    mypages.myisp.co.uk/ pop-ups appears at #2 behind the index.html still at #1

    More interestingly if I look at the cached dates then the "supplemental" index.html is 23 Jun 2005 and the mypages.myisp.co.uk/ is 26 Apr 2006

    So it is choosing the older supplemental over the more on.


    Surely even Google can work out that
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/
    and
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html

    are one and the same thing.

    This is a very old site with purely static html pages.

    No wonder we are all having problems.

    So I am guessing that with the BigDaddy update Google has totally screwed up with the canonical algorithms, which is meant to know about different urls really being the same page.

    This article on The Register today
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05...igdaddy_chaos/
    makes interesting reading and what is prompted me to start looking for really simple cases to try out.

    I knew that when I searched for my own name on Google round about 2001 I came out at #2 and have been high up ever since till now.
    This was pure fluke as at time I had not really applied search engine optimisation to the site
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html
    and have not done particularly much that way since.

    Interested to know if any one else has any really old sites with static html pages that are showing a similar effect.

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    PS

    What make The Register article interesting is the quote from Google's chief executive Eric Schmidt :

    "Those machines are full," he said. "We have a huge machine crisis."

    I presume he means the huge array of Linux boxes that run Google.

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    Quote Originally Posted by websmith
    My own family homepages go back to 1997 and so I guess that means they pre-date Google.

    Always been pretty well indexed by Google without any problems.

    If I do do a search for

    firstname lastname site:mypages.myisp.co.uk

    Google returns ... results 1 to 7 of 10

    #1 mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html Supplemental Result

    and no sign of mypages.myisp.co.uk/

    but if I then click on "repeat the search with the omitted results included."
    at the bottom of the results then

    mypages.myisp.co.uk/ pop-ups appears at #2 behind the index.html still at #1

    More interestingly if I look at the cached dates then the "supplemental" index.html is 23 Jun 2005 and the mypages.myisp.co.uk/ is 26 Apr 2006

    So it is choosing the older supplemental over the more on.


    Surely even Google can work out that
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/
    and
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html

    are one and the same thing.

    This is a very old site with purely static html pages.

    No wonder we are all having problems.

    So I am guessing that with the BigDaddy update Google has totally screwed up with the canonical algorithms, which is meant to know about different urls really being the same page.

    This article on The Register today
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05...igdaddy_chaos/
    makes interesting reading and what is prompted me to start looking for really simple cases to try out.

    I knew that when I searched for my own name on Google round about 2001 I came out at #2 and have been high up ever since till now.
    This was pure fluke as at time I had not really applied search engine optimisation to the site
    mypages.myisp.co.uk/index.html
    and have not done particularly much that way since.

    Interested to know if any one else has any really old sites with static html pages that are showing a similar effect.
    Ecomcity.com generated steady traffic from all SE's before Google was born. Afterbirth (Pun intended) Google had every page indexed and added new pages within a week. All are 100% static pages and never have I used one gray or blackhat SEO trick to lure traffic. Now Google has me at 12 pages down from 384 just 2 weeks ago. Therefore everyone here is in jeopardy as the Whitehats get whacked by those claiming to do no evil. What's next? Getting hate e-mails from BHOs and couponers not getting to attack my shoppers at the point of sale at the normal levels?
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    Yes, it is majorly mucked up.

    If you do a search for "Key Phrase" you might get 800 results.
    Then add MORE and search for "Key Phrase" "2nd Phrase" you will get MORE results!

    This is completely opposite of what should be happening. By adding phrases you are supposed to narrow the search.
    This World is Not My Home
    We're gonna go inside, we're gonna go outside, inside and outside. . . And then we're gonna go go go and we're not gonna stop til we get across that goalline! Quotes from the movie Rudy, 1993

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    this morning I tried the site: command on some of my sites and found very few pages being returned.

    in one case there were two instances of the same thing: the site's root at 114k and what is supposed to be the site's index.html at 40k. and the cache of that page is dated 14 months before.

    wacko!

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    What's next? Getting hate e-mails from BHOs and couponers not getting to attack my shoppers at the point of sale at the normal levels?
    Ahhhh. The old trickle down effect. Fighting parasites by killing the whitehats.

    Funny stuff
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