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    Thumbs down ShareASale Leaky Merchants -- where is your traffic going
    This thread can serve as a place to notify other affiliates of LEAKS that you find on SAS merchant sites. A LEAK is defined as some place for your traffic to go other than the merchant's shopping cart system... examples: merchants running adsense or other advertising, merchants with their own affiliate accounts and links live on their site. More subversive forms of LEAKS include making some items non-commissionable in a list of products that you link to.


    Leaky merchant: World Class Nutrition

    - an otherwise quality and converting merchant has a huge leak on one of their most profitable pages:
    hxxp://www.worldclassnutrition.com/worldclassnutrition/dietpilwitep.html

    * a large affiliate link at the top of this page directs users to another site selling the same sort of goods. If a user clicks on this link, the affiliate who originally sent the traffic loses all possibility of a commission (that the merchant then gains).

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    After reading through the forum here it is pretty obvious leaks are not popular.

    I've been very careful to not have any on my site no matter how tempting some may be.

    Hell, why would I want to send my customers somewhere else anyway? Sears doesn't suggest it's customers shop at Wal Mart.

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    Good thinkin! Your affiliates are your sales force; we're out there generating traffic and sending them to your site for one reason-- to make a purchase. Why would we want to send you traffic that is only going to click on your Adsense ads or your other external links? That is a waste of our time and effort and you would be undercutting your own sales team.

    If anyone else has any other merchant leaks to post, this would be a good place to do it so other affiliates can reference a list when researching a site.

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    TasteeTees has links off to competitors and google ads. Some leaks lead to hard core explicit pornography.

    DeezTeez has leaks, some of which lead to hard core pornography. (Quote "We are only accepting link exchanges with humor, sports, or porn related sites that get around the same traffic as us.")


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    SAS must have only 3 computer products merchants who aren't funneling traffic to outsiders. Never saw a larger groups of ZERO EPC merchants on one page. I'm sure Brian has www.siteadvisor.com installed on his merchant/affiliate approval system. Most interesting is seeing the results of Siteadvisor on millions of systems... http://www.siteadvisor.com/studies/s...2006.html#page
    "Abstract
    We compare safety of leading search engines, using SiteAdvisor's automated Web site ratings. We find most leading search engines similar in the safety of the sites they link to, though MSN is the safest and Ask lags noticeably behind. Across search engines, we find sponsored results significantly less safe than search engines' organic results. We find heightened risks for certain keywords, including those frequently searched by kids and novice users. We began this project in January 2006, and our analysis uses search engine results and SiteAdvisor safety data from April 2006. "


    ... Leaky merchants or affiliate posing as merchants are into certain keyword verticles if they push affiliate traffic to others for fees.... Any merchnat showing up on Siteadvisor alerts is a huge RED Flag.
    Webmaster's... Mike and Charlie

    "What have you done today to put real value into a referral click...from a shoppers viewpoint!"

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    Crazy why would a merchant want to do something like that. Its not fair!
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    No drips coming from our boat....and we opt to keep it that way.

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    There must be a major leak with Americas Lending Partners I sent them 18,000 visitors and they
    are claiming not one lead.

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    must be
    Must be doesn't count, leaks are things on the site that draw customers away, off to someplace or something else they see, like links to someplace else, Adsense or an 800# with no phone tracking.

    Sending that many people with no leads sounds like it might be time to give another merchant a try with the traffic.

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    Leaks or Revenue
    Hey,

    I'm reading what you guys consider a leak.

    Correct me If I'm wrong!

    If I were an owner of an affiliate site(s), and I run adsense ads (non-competitors),
    or sell banner advertising on my network of sites, and display the banners on
    all my sites, you consider these all leaks?

    Robert

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    Yes. Thinking more if you were a merchant and had all that. Affiliates don't want to send traffic to merchants with leaks because they don't get paid for those leaks, the merchant can from the affiliate traffic. So that's no good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    Yes. Thinking more if you were a merchant and had all that. Affiliates don't want to send traffic to merchants with leaks because they don't get paid for those leaks, the merchant can from the affiliate traffic. So that's no good.
    Hey, I understand the idea or possibility of giving traffic away, and I guess
    it would be a decision you would have to make before joining them. So, its
    good to have the "vist this site" link right there, before joining from SAS.

    But- Many sites do link to other sites, without using a affiliate link. Take for
    example a site selling pet products, linking to The Humane Society , well if you
    go there, there is a button on the left lower side that says, "Shop our Store"
    or maybe the site links to Pets911, which are very good sites to link to and
    fall in the catagory of the main site, but they may send you off somewhere else.

    Their intention may be to show you a valuable site, or for SEO purposes.
    Now, even though the sites they sponsor or link to too, may not give them
    revenue, it sure could give someone else that possibility.

    So, while walmart may not send you to Sears, they may somehow link to
    another "Resource", which ultimately generates an additional income for them.

    Most affiliate programs are free to join, so they could have 1,000's of members who use their banners, send traffic to them, which all uses server
    resources, but if the traffic doesn't generate sales, then how do they pay for the server costs, techs, etc... So, many may rely on alternative revenues,
    as a way of keeping their program free.

    Just my two cents worth!

    PS: I'm completely against any site that send traffic to porn from my traffic!

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    "So, many may rely on alternative revenues, as a way of keeping their program free."

    WRONG THINKING - imo

    If a merchant wants alternative revenues, they can build another site.

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    Affiliates can drive sales, that's where the money will come from. Leaks will keep some potential money making affiliates from joining your program. If you want to be a merchant, be a merchant. Don't throw up Adsense* or join up other affiliate programs and throw up affiliate links.

    *When I see Adsense on a merchant site, I see that as a merchant saying "Look over here at my competitors, maybe you should partner with them instead."

    *Also a clue that the merchant isn't converting.

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    I just read the other thread and you post like you're an affiliate not a merchant, so the advice is for merchants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imr
    Most affiliate programs are free to join, so they could have 1,000's of members who use their banners, send traffic to them, which all uses server resources, but if the traffic doesn't generate sales, then how do they pay for the server costs, techs, etc... So, many may rely on alternative revenues, as a way of keeping their program free.
    If you are a merchant, you have some serious learning to do. If you are an affiliate, you will lose a lot of money to sleazy merchants with this kind of rationale.

    To justify a leak because an affiliate program is free is a statement that makes absolutely no sense. I have personally never seen an affiliate program that is not free. I am sure there are some out there, but why would any affiliate join one when there are thousands and thousands of quality affiliate programs that are free.

    If you are a merchant, I urge you to attend the next AMC Seminar.

    On another note, for a pet supply merchant to provide a link in a corner somewhere to The Humane Society is not a serious leak. I have some merchants in specialty niches who link to a related non-profit from their site. A small, obscure link to a related non-profit and a big fat, above the fold, affiliate link to a competitor are birds of a different feather.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrustNo1
    I just read the other thread and you post like you're an affiliate not a merchant, so the advice is for merchants.
    Yes, I'm posting as an affiliate, and in no way do I condone the leaks as
    you guys call them.

    I will now look closer at the sites I join as a result of this thread. One site
    I build I may be willing to gamble traffic i send, but others I may not.
    One thing for sure, that if I promote a product site on my Cat site, then
    I don't want anyone linking to a site, that has jokes about cats that are
    in poor taste, or for that matter ones that use keywords such as "P*SSY"

    So, already I have learned something from this forum... hehe

    But, Im a site owner, and I have over 10,000 members. All of which are
    not actively using the service. Most are free members, and some have
    upgraded accounts, which provides them with benefits including commissions.
    But, its a service, and not a product sale, and its "exchanging" traffic or site
    views that makes the system work. Not quite the same scenario.

    So, I guess you could say I see both sides of the coin.

    Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleScooter
    If you are a merchant, you have some serious learning to do. If you are an affiliate, you will lose a lot of money to sleazy merchants with this kind of rationale.

    To justify a leak because an affiliate program is free is a statement that makes absolutely no sense. I have personally never seen an affiliate program that is not free. I am sure there are some out there, but why would any affiliate join one when there are thousands and thousands of quality affiliate programs that are free.

    If you are a merchant, I urge you to attend the next AMC Seminar.

    On another note, for a pet supply merchant to provide a link in a corner somewhere to The Humane Society is not a serious leak. I have some merchants in specialty niches who link to a related non-profit from their site. A small, obscure link to a related non-profit and a big fat, above the fold, affiliate link to a competitor are birds of a different feather.

    Hey UncleScooter,

    Well, WildWest reseller of godaddy domains is not free. You can become an
    affiliate of godaddy for free, which is different then a reseller, but I'll bet you'll
    find alot of leaks.

    Hey, just a quick comment. If I were a stereotyper, I would see the main
    guy of AMC as a biker dude. Not that theres anything wrong with that, and
    now that I think of it, uncle(scooter) may be a biker.

    Please don't tell Andy I said that, he might take a cruise up to NY and kick
    my butt, oh dang I gave away my location. hehe Just Playing!

    Actually I used to ride for many years, but it was a rice burner as they say.
    Can you say, Yamaha ha ha ha

    Robert

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    >>>but it was a rice burner as they say.
    Can you say, Yamaha ha ha ha<<<

    some of the best bikes are riceburners . . . I equate Harley talk with heavy advertising keeping up the mystique.

    Harleys and German Shepherds make great pairs -- they both like or tend to ride in the backs of pickup trucks.

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    It is important to remember that SAS does the best job of protecting the affiliate's interest, but there is no way they can do it alone. Affiliates must remain vigilant and inform SAS of their findings. What truly seperates them as a network is their willingness to listen, and their ability to react.

    However, they are only willing to go so far, and affiliates will then have to voice their opinion by either contacting the merchant directly, or not promoting the program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suluta
    It is important to remember that SAS does the best job of protecting the affiliate's interest, but there is no way they can do it alone. Affiliates must remain vigilant and inform SAS of their findings. What truly seperates them as a network is their willingness to listen, and their ability to react.

    However, they are only willing to go so far, and affiliates will then have to voice their opinion by either contacting the merchant directly, or not promoting the program.

    Sulata,


    Any affiliate network who runs an advertiser's offer has a vested interest in stamping out leaks, as they make a % of the affiliate's commission themselves. If you find that an offer has a leak on it, it most likely was added after the site was approved by the network.


    It's funny, you should see the look on the faces of some new advertisers when I say that they have to remove their 800 numbers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by imr
    now that I think of it, uncle(scooter) may be a biker
    I have owned a half dozen or so, Hondas, Yamahas and Kawasakis, but I am not a biker any longer and never was the stereotypical biker. My name is derived from what my brother's kids called me when they were young. He got them to calling me UncleScooter and it kinda stuck.

    on another note...............

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnLeadFlash
    It's funny, you should see the look on the faces of some new advertisers when I say that they have to remove their 800 numbers!
    I'm beginning to like this guy!


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