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    Is this a new Google guideline?
    Or have I just missed it when it was first introduced?

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    Quality guidelines - specific guidelines

    Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
    Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
    Don't send automated queries to Google.
    Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
    Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
    Don't create pages that install viruses, trojans, or other badware.
    Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

    If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

    If a site doesn't meet our quality guidelines, it may be blocked from the index. If you determine that your site doesn't meet these guidelines, you can modify your site so that it does and request reinclusion.

    I remember the doorway page bit but not the add value bit - or maybe I'm just slow to pick it up...and it was always there and I just never noticed it till now.

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    Relatively new, it's been posted a few times.

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    I see a datafeed site debate coming
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyfalcon
    I see a datafeed site debate coming
    What's to debate?

    Surely, everyone knows that getting a merchant a listing it otherwise wouldn't have had is adding value. And, doing that for ALL of their 1000s of products, in the most efficient way, is providing the BEST value! Inefficiency is not valuable.

    And the reason people visit a certain site first, is because it is ranked First (Listing #1). Datafeed sites, especially mine, should be listed first, and therefore visited first. Simple as that.

    Once they visit my site first, though, I strongly suggest they click through my links to the merchant!

    THEN they can go back to Goofle, scroll down about, oh, 200 listings, and waste their time on some content site down there. After they get done with doing their business on my and my merchants' sites.

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    Lmao

    Leader You Made My Day! btw my sites are in the top 100 in the lousy content listings.
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    not for shopping terms tho:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    Surely, everyone knows that getting a merchant a listing it otherwise wouldn't have had is adding value. And, doing that for ALL of their 1000s of products, in the most efficient way, is providing the BEST value! Inefficiency is not valuable.
    Sure, it adds value for the affiliate and the merchant, but that's not what Google wants. Why should they care about how many sales you get? They want their searchers to find a good variety of information about their search. What you're suggesting does nothing for the searchers except clutter the results with duplicate content and links that lead to the same destination. Your idea of efficiency is biased.

    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    And the reason people visit a certain site first, is because it is ranked First (Listing #1). Datafeed sites, especially mine, should be listed first, and therefore visited first. Simple as that.

    Once they visit my site first, though, I strongly suggest they click through my links to the merchant!

    THEN they can go back to Goofle, scroll down about, oh, 200 listings, and waste their time on some content site down there. After they get done with doing their business on my and my merchants' sites.
    Hah! And what makes your site better than the other sites listed in Google?

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    Thanks for the info folks - didn't mean to start another content V sales site argument...

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    Hah! And what makes your site better than the other sites listed in Google?
    Easy - it's MINE!

    All the rest of the Internet is just filler

    What you're suggesting does nothing for the searchers except clutter the results with duplicate content and links that lead to the same destination.
    That's better than bombing the buyers with 99 listings of unwanted content about the same subject, and having the one (noncontent) site that the buyer is looking for stuck down at Listing 100.

    A person who doesn't give a hoot about Tulip Mania is NOT going to care more about it if they're presented with 50 original essays on the subject. And if they did care, they would have searched for "tulip mania" and not "tulips!"

    They've improved the listings for that search ("tulips"), but not enough.

    Goofle's idea that everyone on the net is looking to write a term paper is bizarre and surely wrong.

    Sure, it adds value for the affiliate and the merchant, but that's not what Google wants. Why should they care about how many sales you get?
    Bothering with "why" questions of any type is a general waste of neurons and is almost always counterproductive.

    So, I won't.

    And as for what Google WANTS?

    What they want is worse than irrelevant to me--it's anathema. All signs point to them being socialist/commie types who somehow think it's not okay for anyone to be in business purely to make money...except for themselves, that is. You don't see them loading up *their* site with irrelevant crap!!! For their main business, they have just one thing - listings! Yet they want everyone else to ruin their sites with baloney unnecessary content, whether those sites' webmasters or customers want it or not. Sickening hypocrisy!
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    Google doesn't want essays as much as their visitors want them. People want reviews, photos, specs, instructions, buying guides, merchant reviews, price comparisons and just about anything else to help them make an informed decision. It's not what Google wants, it's what their visitors want. If you think content is an essay on the manufacturing of an ipod you'll probably have a harder time finding that than anything actually useful like an in-depth review or feature comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leader
    And as for what Google WANTS?

    What they want is worse than irrelevant to me--it's anathema. All signs point to them being socialist/commie types who somehow think it's not okay for anyone to be in business purely to make money...except for themselves, that is. You don't see them loading up *their* site with irrelevant crap!!! For their main business, they have just one thing - listings! Yet they want everyone else to ruin their sites with baloney unnecessary content, whether those sites' webmasters or customers want it or not. Sickening hypocrisy!
    Are you saying Google doesn't support business? It sounds like you're concept of a successful business just doesn't jive with Google's idea. Look at the results now - they're loaded with commercial listings of all types. It sounds like you think you're the only one in business around here. This is a hugely competitive area and each month the bar gets raised. Technology improves, innovations spread, sites gain newsworthy attention overnight and it's up to everybody else to play catch up. Then hopefully the next wave hits a little closer to home. It's a competitive internet and Google's results are just a reflection of what's really going on.

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    Are you saying Google doesn't support business? It sounds like you're concept of a successful business just doesn't jive with Google's idea.
    Yeah that's what I'm saying. Google knows how to make ITSELF successful. But, if they followed the prescription they give to other sites, they would die horribly!

    Think about it:

    ALL duplicate content
    ALL robotically generated

    THAT IS GOOGLE.

    How dare they(!) make like that's anything but the epitome of a perfect Internet site, when without that there would be no Google!!!


    Look at the results now - they're loaded with commercial listings of all types.
    That supports my impression that they like making money. Big deal--allowing others to buy ads IS NOT supporting business! It's allowing themselves to make money. There doesn't seem to be one pro-business thing over there.

    IMO they would like to be the only one on the net making any money. They even screw with their PPC ad rankings--adding a junior-high-school popularity contest factor--and making it essentially impossible to count on results or plan a serious budget which includes advertising there.

    It sounds like you think you're the only one in business around here.
    I think there are very few "around here" who do use business sense, rather than pie-in-the-sky socialist utopian wishing, when it comes to doing business.

    Trying to please an engine--essentially letting it be the boss of you and your business--isn't using sense. The CUSTOMERS are who are to be pleased! NOT some place that couldn't care less if you fell off the face of the Earth, and if they care at all, would probably be pleased to see that happen.

    If you please the engine, but your customers don't like what you did to do that, you lose, even if the engine says you win.

    This is a hugely competitive area and each month the bar gets raised.
    Nah. The bar gets *moved.* But "raised" implies that the new standard is better. I disagree about there being a higher standard. It's just a different one. A Socialistic nonsense one!

    Technology improves, innovations spread, sites gain newsworthy attention overnight and it's up to everybody else to play catch up. Then hopefully the next wave hits a little closer to home. It's a competitive internet and Google's results are just a reflection of what's really going on.
    You had me until that last line.
    Google's results are a reflection of their own ideology! It mirrors THEMSELVES, not the internet as a whole!

    Since the amount of money spent online RISES each year, I think people want MORE opportunities to buy--not less, nor more info-content.

    Google is forcing it's OWN views onto the net. It's not reflecting a thing. If it was, it'd be showing what the facts do: People are doing more online shopping. With or without them!

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    Let's see if Google meets it's own bullsh*t "guidelines."

    >>Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
    I didn't see any...

    >>Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
    Google serves different pages based on geo-targeting. BZZZT

    >>Don't send automated queries to Google.
    Google uses a spider to send automated queries to our sites (yet we're not supposed to do it back? What bull!) BZZZT

    >Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
    Took 'em 6 months to realize that people searching for "tulips" don't care about "tulip mania" (or they would have looked for *that*) among other gaffes BZZZT

    >Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
    If you go in through the toolbar, you hit a page which duplicates the one you get if you don't, but the URL is different BZZZT

    >>Don't create pages that install viruses, trojans, or other badware.
    They managed to pass this point.

    >>Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.

    AS IF Google's pages don't use a template or a cookie-cutter approach! And their listings have NO original content! BZZZT

    >>If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.
    Froogle's content isn't unique, and a lot of times it's irrelevant BZZZT

    Like I said, they are hypocrites who think whatever they do is saintly, unless someone else does it, at which point they lie and say it's bad!

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    Plus the fact that an equal number of visitors aren't looking for information, just looking to buy.

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    Yeah, Leader is so right on about google's foolishness.

    In my opinion, all of google's foolishness does not add up to better search results for either content or shopping sites. I am pretty much sticking to yahoo these days. They aren't perfect but I do feel like I save time using them when I am researching something.

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    Google is so wanked right now.

    I was searching for some term w/my husband the other night(unfortunately I cannot remember it right now!) and Google could only spit out one result! It was not an obscure term, so I searched a variant of it and everything was edu and gov documentaion where you would have to wade through tons of information to extract the one fact you need....so I went to MSN where they had plenty of commercial sites for my original query with the information I needed distilled down for me....

    If anyone saw the southpark episode this past wednesday about San Fransisco and their perception of the mentality of the people that live there...THAT is Google...(they sniff their own farts)!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by suzigeek
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