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    Today my wife flew to St. Louis on business. At the airport as she was departing and going through the security check she caused the scanner to beep. They wanded her and ran it by her chest. It went off. My wife was wearing an underwire bra. They then made her go into a makeshift booth and remove her bra then wanded her again to clear her.<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif>

    I am madder then h<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon8.gif> ll about this. If this is what we have to be subject to here in the U.S because of terrorism, then we have let those terrorist b<IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon8.gif> stards win. How dare our government cause embarassment to people in the name of security and conducting what almost amounts to a strip search when a little common sense is in order. What did the screener think; that her boob might go off.

    I know it could have been worse in that they could have actually strip searched her but this is still ridiculous. I personally am not ready or willing for our rights to be abridged on the premise that we need to feel "safe". The next thing you know is that before you board a plane you will have to participate in a group hug to not only feel "safe" but "loved".

    After 9/11 there is not many ways that someone is going to get away with something on a plane because the crews and passengers will beat the crap out of them.

    I'm done venting now.

    Mike

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    Mike, if we let the terrorists win I doubt if your wife or anyone else will have the luxury of getting on a plane.

    It's invasive, embrassasing but a small price to pay.

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    MJ,

    I know what you are saying but if we start by paying this small price then what next, free speech or assembly? Each time it becomes a little easier to give up something else.

    I for one don't want to see it happen, plus, to hear my wife's voice on the phone full of humiliation and anger just accentuated it.

    It is already bad enough that she doesn't want to fly to appointments because she is afraid, then to have this happen I may never get her on a plane again. Is it worth all of this, if she no longer feels safe to go about her business as usual without the fear of another 9/11 or an invasive search?

    Mike

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    If I remember correctly, they strip searched a US Senator because his artificial hip was caught by the metal detector and they thought he was a suicide bomber... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    As far as I am concerned, I don't want my goverment to take away my natural rights to make me feel more secure. To me, what is going on right now is a little bit of politics and a lot of stupidity and not a bit of real concern for public's safety. In old days, they were acting like everybody would potentially be a terrorist, now they are not even acting like that, they are assuming everybody is a terrorist. Just how many AL-made-up-Qaide terrorists are there in U.S. and how much damage can they do without us doing the real damage in name of prevention and security?

    This is very subjective and flames away please. I am no republican!

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    The terrorists have already won! Our freedom is gone and won't be back anytime soon. That was their goal and that is exactly what has been done. Just like everytime some nut grabs a gun, we loose our freedoms and rights.

    The ironic part is that I being a somewhat right winged conservative always threw poo poo at the democrats (Clinton) for trying to take away freedoms and here we are with GWB and circumstances aren't looking any better.

    I guess we have to decide which is better, to live without freedom or to die with it. Our forefathers had their answer.

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    Heyder and PV,

    I agree wholeheartedly and Heyder I am a right winger conservative Republican redneck type. Regardless of who's in charge, it seems as if someone is always grabbing for a little more. Most of it is political with Congressional elections approaching they needed to show that they were doing something.

    Mike

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    Mike,
    There was a big discussion about this on a major radio station in DC recently. A woman was ticked that her daughter went through the exact same thing. It is sad that this is what it has come to, especially within our own borders. Heres another thing...as many of you know, I'm a part-time airborne traffic reporter in DC. They have set up many restrictions around DC (we are not allowed to talk about them)..tonight when I was flying, there was a medivac helicopter that was attempting to get to a hospital in Washington DC. National Airport, who controls the airspace would not allow the helicopter to fly into Washington. The pilot tried his best to explain to the air traffic controller the situation. The air traffic controller said that he had nothing on file for the chopper, and he would not be allowed to enter the airspace...the pilot continued trying, and the ATC steadfastly refused. The ATC gave the pilot a phone number to call so it wouldn't happen in the future, but in this case, the helicopter would have to go to another location outside of DC...It has gotten to that point...women can't wear bras with an underwire, and medivacs can't fly to hospitals in DC unless there is prior authorization....

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    THMedia,

    I sure hope that patient didn't die. This is getting out of control. I thought we were fighting terrorism not hiding from it.

    Mike

    PS. Just noticed my 200th Post. WOW.
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    Dr.Evil...I think they were OK..they were trying to get to Doctors Hospital in DC...my pilot informed me that it isn't a major trauma center so a re-route would have been a matter of inconvenience rather than life endangering...still sucks though...there are things like that...I truly feel for your wife and what she had to go through...it is embarrassing, but what can you do. If they didn't do it, and something were to happen, think of the fallout. There was an incident the other day at a national airport where a bag was pulled to be searched. The passenger didn't know it had been pulled and he boarded his plane...now we have a bag sitting off to the side with no passenger...they shut down the airport and evacuate the terminal...another one where the screener fell asleep...shut her down and re-screen everybody. It's just crazy, and I'm not one for giving up more than we have too (I pretty much sit on your side of the fence, Mike). I think the entire system needs to be redone from the ground up. I think it could be run much more efficiently, without sacrificing safety, security, or our rights.

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    Life is not worth living if we are not free. Even with relaxed security it would still be more dangerous to get in my car than attend a "terrorist target area".

    As in the past politics is hindering our ability to destroy the enemy and this is the real problem. America and all of our allies are perfectly willing to find and destroy terrorism but instead they begin the political google dance and we pay for it at home with searches and restrictions as you have all mentioned.

    BTW, I'm glad I'm not the only right wing conservative in here, thanks for that. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Tom,

    I heard about the bag incident. The systems put into place are political knee jerk reactions to show that government is doing something and to make sure incumbents are re-elected this year. I totally agree that they need to rethink things and protect our freedom instead of playing off of fear.

    Mike

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    Can you say....Hannity [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]



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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Can you say....Hannity <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sure..I knew you could. :cool:

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    Dr. Evil,
    Now that you are some kind of Elitist, don't forget us little folks. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Tribune,

    ROTFLMAO. Yeah right. If my wife knew I posted and lurked here as much as I have she would start to doubt me when I tell her "I have work to do." [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Mike,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If my wife knew I posted and lurked here as much as I have she would start to doubt me when I tell her "I have work to do<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Speaking of wives, I wonder why she (my wife)doesn't care that I am up at this time of the night while she is in bed. Could it be she doesn't like my snoring and is glad she has the bed all to herself? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Tribune,

    My wife is slowly learning that this is "MY TIME." We do foster care and have a total of 5 kids here(one of them our own) and things are crazy from dawn to bedtime.

    Mike

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    This smilie came to mind when you mentioned 5 kids... <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/chased.gif>

    My hat is off to you and your wife, you have a job on your hands, but I know you love it. Don't you? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    Tribune,

    Most days we do LOL. These kids come here with all types of emotional problems from piss poor parents. The sad thing is that most will go back to the same hell hole they came from.

    Each child we love and work to teach them as much as possible so that they can take care of themselves when they go back. We have a boy here now that is 5. We got him when he was 3. He didn't speak, was withdrawn and wasn't potty trained. His mother got him back last April. He spent virtually six months on the streets and managed to take care of a 2 year old sister by feeding her out of trash cans and water puddles. The tragedy was that when he left us, he was ready for kindergarten and now is back in special classes and will have to repeat kindergarten next year.

    The thing that sucks about what we do is the lack of control that we have over the system. The parent instinct of protection kicks in with all of these little guys and my wife and I have both ripped the hides out of many a social worker to get what these kids need.

    Yeah, we love it.

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    Sorry about your wife being embarassed.

    What would help is if they would give people some warning about what kinds of common things (that we might not think of) would set it off. Like a list - metal toe boots(my hubby wears these), big belt buckles, underwire bras, etc... Then we would would know what to avoid.

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    Mike,

    Your last post left me speechless. I really can't reply to it. It kind of makes everything else seem so unimportant.

    God Bless and good night.

    John

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    My hat's off to you Mike for taking on those extra burdens and responsibilities for the reward of a hug and occasional laugh. Sounds like those kids needed a helping hand and yours was extended. In all my travels I have always found the folks from Oklahoma were the most friendly hospitable ones I ever met. Spent some time in Oklahoma City and hated to leave. Got into a car wreck outside of the city ( no injuries) and the State Farm Agent there took me and my brother into his home and showed us the city for 4 days while waiting for car repairs. Went back there 3 other times and had a ball and still get & send Christmas cards.

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    Dr.Evil and Mrs Evil [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] how wonderful you are to be caring for these lost children, it can't be easy.
    Bless you, I don't know how else to say it.

    I live in my isolated mountain paradise and tend to forget what is really happening in the world.

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    I would like to welcome the USA to the real world.

    Until Sept 11th many Americans lived in a world of innocence, blissfully unaware that terrorism existed. Sure, it happened in "other places" but not on their own turf.

    All that has now changed.

    Being British, I know the horror of seeing major cities bombed, innocent people killed and lives ruined to suit some madmans cause. But it doesn't stop us going about our daily lives.

    As a frequent traveller to the USA before 9-11 I was amazed at the complete lack of even basic airport security checks at the US end.

    You need to accept that security is now a part of your daily life and move on. Terrorism hasn't won. But neither have we...yet.

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    I agree with Buggy.

    I sympathise with your wife Mike, but to be asked to remove it and then to rescan is maybe better that being physically searched (I mean by hand). The security personnel need to find out what is causing the detector to go off, if they ignore it and someone gets through it could cause a lot of lives to be lost. I think this alternative is unacceptable.

    I think that the US and its people need to learn how to control this kind of threat correctly, taking into consideration both the privacy and rights of the group against the rights of the individual.

    If I compare travelling in the US before and after Sept 11, I would say that before there was no control (and I mean none) and now security is extremely “high profile” and in my point of view over-the-top and pretty ineffective. This kind of security just makes you feel that something is being done, but after everyone starts to complain it will be reduced and become ineffective, this is the time to start to worry.

    I think that the US can learn a lot from Europe (but probably won’t). If you look at the difference in security in Europe (since Sept 11) it does not seem so different (I am NOT talking about the UK here), but if you really look, there is extra equipment installed, extra security tags issued and a few extra questions asked. There is something going on that you really do not notice much but is fundamental to the way you are checked. It is a kind of gentle pressure that if you are guilty will make you nervous, and even if you did pack your own case, it still makes you think about it. Where there used to be one person per checkin there is now an “observer” standing around with radio or telephone close by, not as a sentry mind you, but to “support” the checkin desk and passenger.

    I also think that part of it comes down to the mentality of the people you are dealing with. I mean in Germany the attitude is, this is my job and I need to do it, so if it takes 3 minutes to check a package or suitcase then it takes 3 minutes. In the US it is, we gotta get this flight away quickly or the passengers will be pi*sed, lets move it up on those suitcases.


    Lastly I would also like to say that, as someone with two kids I have my special place where I can BANG my head up against the wall, SCREAM and SHOUT and then come back out feeling able to take another 15 minutes of mini terrorism in action. I think that to look after FIVE would be an impossible task for me without stun guns, tear gas and shackles. I think those new sticky guns would be a good asset too. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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