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    I have a Joke shop WEB site in the UK, some products naturally fit into more than one place.
    E.G. Whoopee cushion - Toilet humour & Joke shop favourites

    So can I have virtually the same page (only the menu will be different) same title, same keywords etc. Will the SE penalise me for this?
    Should I change the title, or perhaps use NOINDEX on one page?

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    They gunna get you good if you do that. At least, that's what I understand of the situation. :eek:

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    I think thats whats known as a judgement call :/

    Theres no easy answer to how to split up all the data and categorize it, and different SEs have different ways of deciding whats spam and what is't. I know Google has a higher tolerance than Ink engines. But thats the whole art of SEO.

    If I'm in doubt I give everything a seperate page and have links to it from a central department that is a sub-department from somewhere else. This helps keep themes collected. SEs like that too, and theres no reason you can't reference something by a link and a short description from more than one page.

    I have a theory that only link that should be on *every* page is the link to a central hub. The theme for the central hub, theoretically at least, is 'buying things' [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]


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    [ 03-03-2002: Message edited by: Icicle ]

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    It's a gamble.

    If the page is exactly the same, or too similar, there's a high possibility of bad results. I had one page that I put in two different places because I realized that all my links except one were aiming at the second place! (The FIRST location had been indexed in the SEs so I didn't want to just delete it from there...)

    Well, Google found the second page alright--and gave it a PR of 0 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

    Icicle's idea of linking to it is much safer. If I didn't already have a bunch of links aiming at the second location, I wouldn't have put the page there. But it was easier than changing all the nav around.

    There's pages all over the SEs with the same title...the body text seems more important when they try to detect spam. Instead of changing the title, it may be better to change the body text a bit.

    "If I'm in doubt I give everything a seperate page and have links to it from a central department that is a sub-department from somewhere else.~Icicle"

    I've got sections like that [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Thanks for the advice everyone.

    The answer seems to be don't chance it, The pages would be almost identical (just a few menu words changed).

    So this is what I think I will do:
    Create extra pages for products that fit naturally into two or more categories, but set the Robots for these files to NOINDEX, surely I wont be penalised for that, as I am gaining no advantage.

    Can anyone see a problem?

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    I can see a missed opportunity. Noindex all the identical pages but one.

    And you might end up with lots of pages.

    I often wish I could keep the same file in two different directories without duplicating the file.


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    Leader, I'm in the same boat as you were in with the same pages because of ppc engines. Also I think that is the reason for Google penalizing me with the PR-0. What did you do to fix it. My problem is that I can't delete either page because both are getting traffic from different engines. Any suggestions.

    I know if I go and change it in the ppc they are going to do their keyword deleting BS on me so I have been avoiding that. Hmmmm, I'm stumped.

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    GameBoy, this just happened with the last index so I don't know if what I did will fix it.

    First, I want to clarify that the PR 0 is only affecting the ONE PAGE--not an entire site like we have all been reading about the last few months...

    Since the original page was only listed in Google (no PPCs or paid inclusion), I just changed that page to say "This page has been moved HERE" with the "HERE" going to the second page. I figure that within an index or two, Google will figure out to index the second page instead of the first. Then I can just delete the first page.

    I wasn't intent on having both of the pages in question remain indexed which made deciding what to do easy. If I wanted them both to appear somewhere, I would say to make enough changes in the pages (the ones that are NOT in the PPCs) that Google and other spidering engines will think it is sufficiently different. Just how different is different enough is hard to say--experimenting is the only thing I can suggest. When the pages are sufficiently different they should (no guarantees) both rank. I wouldn't mess with the pages that ARE in the PPCs because, like you said, that'll give them an excuse to do keyword deletion BS.

    Of course you could play it safe and put NOINDEX on one, but that would mean giving up the rank for that page in the engines which use a spider!

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    Leader, thanks. That NOINDEX just might work. What I am thinking is if I put it on the ppc pages which most of them aren't in the spidered engines then that might give me my page ranks back on the mirror pages after a couple of months. I can't mess with the non-ppc pages because some of them have pretty good listings outside of Google. I think if I was smart I would say the hell with Google like I use to. Jeeeez ever since seeing everyone talk about Google over at CJ's it's like I've been obsessed with it. <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon36.gif> Thanks! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif>

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