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    I've just finished reading the thread about how the "clovers" (or whatever they are called) might not be a good idea on your site. Both sides brought up excellent points. Now if you give me a chance, let me tell you my point. (this may be lengthy,lol)
    While I do search for the best deal when shopping online..I am not a freebie freak nor do I expect to get something for nothing. I am a consumer who would be more than happy to use your links to click thru and buy. From visiting these forums I have learned quite a lot. For one thing, although I click thru a lot when shopping I often leave the site and come back later to buy. The problem with that being I delete cookies often. For instance, before I read your forums... I might click thru one of your sites to buy.com...find what I want. Leave and make mental note to go back later: I want that product. BUT when I go back I have deleted my cookies and I just type in buy.com thereby losing you a "sale." I never realized that before and will make sure not to do that from now on. I'm sure plenty of others have also realized this. Believe it or not some/most? of us who visit these kind of message boards are not cheap. We spend a LOT of money online. By participating on your boards we may get to know your sites and most importantly BUY from your links. I have learned so many things about the people "behind" the sites here...and it just makes me want to use their links even more. I don't see where that can be all that bad. Someone please explain it to me...

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    Hey. I think the mix is perfect. We are bringing everything to gether. Merchants, affiliates and shoppers! What could be better.

    What you may not realize is that the ones objecting may write long posts but they appear to be a very small minority. They just post a lot.

    There were well over 1000 people before the exMCers joined us. How many are complaining? Very darned few.

    [ 03-09-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

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    Hi Hidnmening,

    The ones who are objecting are in a very small minority. Personally I think it is great to have you here. It's a perfect combination--people who want to sell things and customers! Plus, my site has a lot of "discount" everything so it's nice to see who's on the other side of the connection.

    I welcome you and the other ex-MCers to ABW!!

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    <There were well over 1000 people before the exMCers joined us. How many are complaining? Very darned few.>

    SSanf, you are right about that. I'm sorry if I made it seem otherwise. I should have been more specific with my intent in my post. I was trying to get across that we would love to have your links so we can do what we do best: SHOP! LOL

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    Leader, thank you for the welcome! I'd love to have the link to your site. Hey, maybe someone could make a list/topic that has links to your sites so when shopping we have a resource for a start point?!

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    There are a lot of people who would like that! The problem is that its too easy to copy a site. Someone called Pranav already did that to Leader, and some Russian did that to someone else.

    Although there are many many sites out there, and you might think eveyone is at risk - in reality very few of those sites are successful. An Evil Site Thief might have a list of a hundred site to copy, but wouldn't know which one to start with till they come here.

    At ABW we all know who is successful, but we often don't know which sites they have. If you're wondering how we know, its by following their advice and seeing if it works.

    This means we end up with hundreds of unique sites instead of a thousand copies of Leader's and Jada's etc and actually works out quite well.

    You would think if we're selling something, we'd want to advertise the location of it! But paradoxically, we can't - if we want to learn.

    But you've probably seen our sites anyway - they are the ones that show up in search results - and some people do make their URLs public.

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    Icicle is right. Along with those instances of copying that she mentioned, somebody knocked off Big Chuck's site, and Buckworks' site has also been copied (although she keeps giving out her URL anyway).

    So we're not too excited to give out our URLs.

    Although I'm sure I can work something out where ABC people will have a chance to buy through my site! It just won't say "Leader" on it, that's all...

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    Hinmening,

    I agree with SSanf. I think this is a win-win situation. I like reading the posts on the Clover thread because it gives us an idea what shoppers are interested in and it's not just freebies. Another good thing having you all here is it makes us aware of some offers that we weren't aware of. Like I said in the ABW Virtual Family thread. I welcome all of you to our community. I think this is a good thing.

    Plus I have talked to several of you and whether you shop at our sites or not I enjoy the personalities and the humor most of you have. Once again, welcome.

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    Hidnmening, Welcome to the "Big Board".

    ps... another reason some people do not post their URLs, is that not all people who say they are successful are [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Buckworks' site has also been copied (although she keeps giving out her URL anyway).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I blew it a long time ago if I wanted to stay anonymous. But I don't tell ALL my secrets ... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    I've been thinking about this - probably most of us have and theres a technical solution somewhere. I just haven't thought of it yet.


    I did think about making a small site public. I might even do it except I'm having a holiday. I'm at the stage now where I'm designing pages in my sleep. This ain't good.

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    It's good to have every "stakeholder' in the equation here.

    People learn that way. Except maybe the merchants who keep beiveing in the tooth fairy that affilaites need them to make money.

    People have been copying sites since the net began but just because you have an idenitical copy of a site does not mean you will sell anything. There are lots of self-replicating websites for all sorts of stuff.

    The majority NEVER sell or sign up anyone because they do not know how to get people to visit the page or they are too cheap to pay to get visitors.

    So I don't see what's the big deal aside from ego and the fact is it's illegal to copy word for word if the site is copyrighted.

    A sales oriented web page is (or should be)
    similar to a FULL PAGE AD IN A MAGAZINE OR NEWSPAPER OR DIRECT MAIL PIECE.

    Plus if anyone wants to make a web page that sells all they have to do is go to Clickbank
    and screen print a dozen or so of the various
    offers and then look how they are put together. Then copy the format. It's the same format that has been around since Claude Hopkins invented advertising. And it works.

    If most online merchants had a brain, they would build follow the Jay Abraham/Gary Halbert/Claude Hopkins way to sell and increase their sales by 10 fold instead of building a 'gee we have hundreds of things for you to buy, please pick one page.'

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSanf:
    Hey. I think the mix is perfect. We are bringing everything to gether. Merchants, affiliates and shoppers! What could be better.

    What you may not realize is that the ones objecting may write long posts but they appear to be a very small minority. They just post a lot.

    There were well over 1000 people before the exMCers joined us. How many are complaining? Very darned few.

    [ 03-09-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]
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    O'Boy can't believe I am going to say this, but I totally agree with you in this point SSanf. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    "I did think about making a small site public.~Icicle"

    Good grief and What the--!

    My response is that way because that's exactly what I was thinking. I had a small site all ready to be uploaded but my web host decided to smoke something VERY powerful and I haven't been able to get it up. There's no point in putting THAT URL out yet because it currently goes to 404, which it wouldn't if the web host didn't smoke...

    Obviously it is time for a new hosting solution which I will be implementing within days!

    I didn't start writing that site with the intentions of publicizing it here but it's a PERFECT fit for Clover This!

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    I welcome the input here of all parties involved in making and saving money. Without the insight of the individual site owners we cannot fine tune our marketing efforts without a lot of trial and error. We also cam pin point commom susseful techniques that benefit us monitarily. I too welcome the "Clovers" and their customers since they fill a time connsuming niche' ..incent shopping.

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    You could consider it as some kind of training site.

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    >It just won't say "Leader" on it, that's all...

    Erm, Leader?

    Your writing style (especially punctuation) is pretty distinctive. I don't go look at your site even when some idiot leaks the location - but I'm reasonably sure if I ever do see one I'll know it.

    Maybe I'm gifted..

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