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    This is my problem with SEO companies
    I just received a link submission for a site. The reciprocal link we request is not at all on the linking sites links page. Instead, it's on a page at the SEO company's site. More exactly, it's on page 3 of their "resources.htm" page. Also on that page are at least 100 other sites, probably more. I didn't see how many other resource pages there were, as there were no links to any to be found.

    And, of course, there was no link to their own links page from their main site. Their site, all about how wonderful and professional an SEO company they are.

    This really p*s me off. They take advantage of link management software and pursue hundreds, thousands of links. It's a form of spam, imho, and they are giving a very bad name to the SEO profession.

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    http://www.seoresearch. com/ resources3.htm

    that's the reciprocal links page. And with this post, they'll probably have their first incoming link -lol.

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    seo black hat link building vs the clean good stuff links
    sorry for your experierence. I used to work for two seo agenicies. I've seen alot happen and playing the tricks can be one of them. That's when seo agencies pass that mystery line into black hat tricks.

    Some of it may be the freelance offshore seo companies that charge $3 to $6 for a home page link. The catch is that they don't say your on a pr 5 page. just the home page is.

    but there still is some good companies out there. remember there the ones that AREN'T too good to be true.

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    This is my problem with SEO companies
    It really isn't a good thing to generalize about all SEO companies; some are good, some aren't. Some are honest and some aren't. Some are smart and some are stupid.

    I happen to be an "SEO company" and the last thing I'd ever do is put a bunch of junk linkfarm pages on any of my sites, either client sites or my own, and especially my SEO site. See these?

    http://www.seoresearch.com/resources.htm

    http://www.seoresearch.com/resources2.htm

    http://www.seoresearch.com/resources3.htm

    Those are orphaned pages, not included in navigation or linking back to anything on the site, which essentially amounts to worthless spam doorway pages. IMHO putting those on the SEO's site is not only deceptive and dishonest, but it's clearly stupid.

    Doing 3 way or triangular link exchanges isn't what I'd personally call black hat, and can be very effective. No place does it say it violates search engine guidelines and it can be quite legit and helpful to all concerned - including users. But giving back garbage in exchange for legitimate links given in good faith isn't even black hat, it's dirty pool.

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    omigosh, look who that is

    http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...research%2Ecom

    Totally unexpected surprise there to see that.

    linkdomain: search at Yahoo

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=lin...lv8-msgr&x=wrt

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    LOL.... throwing money at these so called SEO experts would be a desperate move. Check those client's doorway pages at the end of site:seoresearch.com and see all their interior landing pages are PRO. http://www.seoresearch.com/biographies.htm My novice efforts in SEO for clients would bury this entire teams best efforts. They're my ecommerce clients so the SEO part comes free of charge and they all rule the SERPs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    It really isn't a good thing to generalize about all SEO companies; some are good, some aren't. Some are honest and some aren't. Some are smart and some are stupid.

    What do they say - you can have dozens of happy clients, and it really means nothing, but have one customer with a bad experience, and it spreads like wildfire...

    Not sure what the ratio is between good SEO companies and bad ones, but I believe there's more than a handful of shady outfits running right now - which is probably plenty to make people look at the industry in a bad light.

    Add to that the fact that SEO work isn't an immediate gratification service, and all sorts of weird reactions and thoughts come into play.
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    What I find interesting is that I have read dozens of threads (different places and here) about bad SEO companies but nobody ever really names GOOD ones. Is it against policy? Perhaps nobody wants the competition?

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    >but nobody ever really names GOOD ones.

    see http://www.seoconsultants.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz
    >but nobody ever really names GOOD ones.

    see http://www.seoconsultants.com
    Thanks, Woz, for your link -- it looks like there is good information there


    Another source of good information (when considering SEO or other important topics) is Charles Mackay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woz
    >but nobody ever really names GOOD ones.

    see http://www.seoconsultants.com
    Well that narrows it down to only 155 of them. I was thinking more of personal experience, but hey, beggars can't be choosers (though I am not begging).

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    other source of good information (when considering SEO or other important topics) is Charles Mackay
    Charles Mackay optimizes websites, or is he an IR scientist? Or is he just the drop of the day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by webworker
    An Charles Mackay optimizes websites, or is he an IR scientist? Or is he just the drop of the day?
    SEO expertise is often a popular delusion.
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    NOW see, I told you it was a joke. Rhia was making a funny.

    At least I got it. Or think I got it...

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    SEO expertise is often a popular delusion.
    So then Charles Mackay is a magician who does cool tricks like pulling rabbits out of hats?

    Ane BTW, what does Charles Mackay have to do with this thread about SEO?

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    I've often wondered if these SEO sites have a robots. file banning all pages but their home page so they can grab your attention announcing an exchange with PR5 site. Some use subdomains and don't link the links pages from their home pages.

    I doubt if any of these self-proclaimed SEO experts know that people actually use these links. Some of my best link exchanges have been with handmade mom & pop sites that actually send a lot of targeted traffic from PR-low links pages. Sometimes I slap their link on my PR5 home page just to say thanks.
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    SEO firms remind me of the saying:

    "Those who can, do,

    those who can't teach" ..or in this case 'sell'

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