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    Value Click Welcomes Home Zango
    CJ's parent has decided that zango is now a-okay! On fastclick/valueclick media zango is now an advertiser. I guess with all the positive moves they have been making, whats one more?

    So yes, if you made that jump you are correct - for .28cpm they are promoting the stealing of your comissions.

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    Boy oh boy... Upromise has to be moaning about the competition now....
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    Based on eTrust PestPatrol Spyware Scorecard v2.05.03 Zango violates the following criteria: First, Installs itself or any other item without user permission or knowledge at time of installation. Zango was obtained by navigating to a common news site and typing 'weather' into the search field. Search results included one titled Free Weather Notifier. The link associated with this tag was lp.zango.com. This landing page makes absolutely no mention of popup ads that will be displayed or data transmission activity, and, primarily, does not make clear that the user will be getting more software than just that related to the weather program.

    Second, Displays popup/popunder ads that cannot be closed by clicking a clearly visible close button. During this testing Zango displayed a popup ad from http*omitted*/. This particular ad is very misleading. It says: WARNING, You may have critical erros on you PC. The look and feel of the ad is that of Windows error. By mimicking Windows errors, the ad is using the reputation of Windows to sell the product associated with the ad. Furthermore, the ad gives two options, 'Next' and 'Cancel.' Clicking cancel does not close the ad, it opens another ad. Third, Updates itself or any other item without user permission or knowledge at time of update. Zango contacts downloads.180solutions.com to update the dat files placed in the ZangoClient directory. These files usually take a name similar to zanuau.dat and zanu_kyf.dat.

    Same people?
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    Is anyone else seeing dozens of little red flags going up all of a sudden?

    Geeezzzz, and no one quote me on this....I just might have to give LS a second look. Nah, what was I thinking, SAS is parasite free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7-days
    Is anyone else seeing dozens of little red flags going up all of a sudden?
    Yeppers. Saw them waving weeks ago. LMI reeks of cover-up and/or paving the way for nastiness. I might be way off base and lurching for the foil hats but it gives me the willies and that's the only red flag I need.
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    it's a shame to see this happen to CJ.

    I think they had it right with the Network Quality department, but this speaks to loud.

    where is that titanic smilie?

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    And for people not up on this mess, here is why this is so funny or sad....

    Zango = 180 solutions... you know these guys....

    http://forum.abestweb.com/showpost.p...12&postcount=7
    Quote Originally Posted by CJ
    Ben is describing how other publishers (or affiliates) have bought advertising via 180 Solutions using affiliate tracking links. To the untrained eye, it appears that 180 is acting as a publisher but in fact it is other publishers violating the CoC. We monitor for and forbid this practice. You may recall our recent notice forbidding publisher from buying advertising via other networks (which would include 180 Solutions).
    Didn't CJ already dump 180 Solutions?
    Quote Originally Posted by CJ
    Yes - but I think the point shmoogle is trying to make is even though they are out of the network, their technology is still causing problems. We sent out an email last week that explained our policy on publishers buying keywords or other distribution via these types of software products. As we identify publishers doing this, we will take action.
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    ValueClick , which reports quarterly results after the close Wednesday, has roughly 60,000 affiliates working with the company's Commission Junction affiliate marketing subsidiary. Affiliates are companies or one-man shops that find ways to distribute advertisements. At times, their practices are technologically clever, but they can move beyond being appropriate and fair.

    "It happens on an ongoing basis," said Jeff Pullen, executive vice president of operations at ValueClick, who was CEO of Commission Junction, before ValueClick acquired the unit.

    Earlier this year, ValueClick dropped its relationship with 180Solutions, a company that installs software on computers and serves up targeted advertisements. "180Solutions was in violation of our code of conduct," said Pullen. "They were kicked out," earlier this year.
    On 180 solutions grabbing CJ affiliate comissions.
    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...=180#post51251
    Although Ben appears to be a bright guy - his findings are not absolutes and must be analized before making any determinations of what actually is occuring.

    As I have pointed out in the past - what he appears to be finding is other affiliates buying keywords via 180 Solutions. In other words, it is not 180 Solutions that is acting as the affiliate or earning the commissions.

    We are still investigating this issue and I will update you as soon as I hear more.

    And for the record, CJ does care and does take action.
    So the valueclick/CJ side sees them as a bad thing and hurtful to both their merchants and affiliates, but the valueclick/fastclick side will just ignore all of that and continue to promote them and encourage their distribution even though it harms those supposed important partners.

    If I was a a merchant who had 180solutions popups hitting my site, and I was at CJ?? I would really have to ask myself, why I am at a company that is actively promoting my demise - and they even admit it... As an affiliate, I ask that and my answer is simple, Been a bit since I have gotten a tortious interference threat...

    Come Valueclick, time to grow up. If your ethics won't force you, maybe your bottom line will.

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    CJ in bed with bandit

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    What's going to be CJ next step? To oblige us to promote 180Solutions.
    These THIEVES have lost their mind.
    By using CJ, we're helping crooks to spead their spyware on our customer's computers and steal our commissions.
    It's time for Eliot Spitzer to look at CJ/VC activities.
    I'm not sure these employees showing on CJ front page are aware of the connection of their company with the spyware industry. Aren't they worried?

    For the latest on Zango (doing their best to infest our kids PCs):
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?cat=8

    Thanks Chet.

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    OK, now it really is time for any affiliate with half a brain left in their head to dump CJ!!

    Why are any of you still using them? Sure, I know it will be work to replace all those links and merchants but you are going to have to do it anyway. Why let them choose the time? Take the control yourself.

    And, do you really need to be doing so much work to do CJ updates or add new products when doing the same work takes half or even a third of the time at other networks?

    And, it isn't as if you don't have alternative programs aplenty to choose from, is it? Oh, come on! If you can't find enough good, quality merchants to promote elsewhere by now, I think you really do have a personal problem.

    Now, you get this slap in your face. Do you STILL fail to understand the agenda? What are you thinking?

    CJ is no longer for affiliates. Don't you get it? What took you so long?

    If you are still hanging on to false hope, you really MUST be off in lol lol land or just not quite bright.

    If you are so dependant on them for income that you can't let go, tell me this, did you make more or less money for the same work with CJ this year than you did two years ago? What did you do about it, just work harder and add more CJ stuff? Did that make sense? Why didn't you diversify?

    Well, you aren't stuck but you need to get those pages changed and the faster the better off you will be. That is, unless you really WANT to be affiliated with a network that supports things like zango and makes it almost impossible for you to compete.

    And, tell you what. It wouldn't surprise me even a little bit to see CJ/VC activities investigated down the road. It also wouldn't surprise me to see sites affiliated with them caught up in it, too. At this point, the more distance I put between CJ and my sites the better. If they go, no privacy policy is going to cover YOUR fanny.

    Since you have many, many other options, I would really think you would get out of that network just as fast as your little fingers can crank out new pages.

    What is it going to take to get you to wake up and smell the coffee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simcat
    If you're an affiliate and still wondering about this issue, go back to simcat's posted link and check out what real people are saying about Zango.

    VC's relationship with Zango is yet another reminder that your work means nothing to them - they are eager to give away your rewards (your commissions) to thieves.

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    Thanks, Donuts, that is a good link for people to see the damage Zango can do. I really liked the one word comment one person left, sums it up perfectly:

    badbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbadbad
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    Just came across the SecurityProNews newsletter (different spin on the Zango-Myspace debacle):

    Zango Admits To Placing MySpace Profiles

    The company has blamed one of its developers for creating two profiles on networking site MySpace that served to distribute Zango's adware products.

    "Don't blame me, I didn't do it!"
    -- Krusty the Clown's political philosophy

    Zango didn't do it either, kids. A recent post on TechDirt pointed out the counterclaims made by Zango, once known as 180solutions.

    A Zango spokesperson, Steve Stratz, told InformationWeek that the creation of two MySpace profiles designed to promote the downloading of Zango software via playable videos was all just a big mistake:

    "Those two test accounts were actually created by one of our developers who was exploring possible opportunities, but he didn't realize it was Zango business practice not to target MySpace," said Stratz. "He should not have been doing this, and we want to tell MySpace that we didn't mean to target them." The developer, said Stratz, would soon be deleting the profiles.

    The developer, it seems, has been "thrown under the bus." The researcher who discovered the profiles, Chris Boyd, found himself targeted for particular attention from Stratz:

    "We know where Boyd and others like him stand, and they know where we stand," Stratz said.

    Boyd replied to that comment with a chuckle:

    Well that stings, it really does. I mean, here I am, policing your affiliates - sorry, your employees - with another "accident" that was forgotten about till I went and dug it up, buried-treasure style...Y'aaaar....and then it's catty comments time!

    Boyd then listed several other incidents involving Zango and its practices, before pointing out some inconsistencies with Stratz's comments to InformationWeek:

    Zango have made it clear they're not responsible for "policing the sharing of their content", so here we have a major contradiction. On the one hand, they're saying "please Myspace, don't be mad. We didn't mean to break your rules and we agree, our movies should not be on Myspace".

    On the other hand, they're also saying that "we're not responsible for policing people pushing our software in this way", so surely the end result will eventually be....more of these moviefiles on Myspace?

    Is it just me, or does this not make sense?


    The most important issue to note in all of this is the terms and conditions set down by MySpace when creating a profile. Given the negative publicity MySpace has received in the press over several incidents involving their members, they could see this as an opportunity to generate some positive buzz by hitting Zango with a well-publicized lawsuit for violating the ToS this way.

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    Fully disclosure of the Myspace/Zango fubar http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/07...-zango-on.html

    What this thread dosn't point out is Zango/180Solutions has no bann on any affiliate, from ANY network, or using 3rd world PPCSE's to cop a ride on the Zango theftwarez train. SAS merchnats are subjected to cookie cannon affiliates using 180"s Searchscout Toolbar to pop their cookied Ads. Some affiliates, even here, specifically seek out PPCSE's and CPA networks who partner with BHO's to set their cookies.
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    The Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT.org) has filed extensive information with the FTC explaining why they believe that 180's biz model is utterly flawed and requested they be shut down forever.
    http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/?p=756

    Our government is so lame! As 180/Zango invades MySpace and goes after our children, the FTC's sits on the facts that have been presented to them time and time again.

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    Poaching our children's classroom computers:

    180solutions sponsors class of second graders in Ohio
    http://netrn.net/spywareblog/archive...aders-in-ohio/

    FTC, what are you doing with my tax money?!?!

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    Zeus,

    Have you noticed how quickly CJ removed the names of the employees?

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    And lets not forget. 180 solutions/zango now promotes pornograhy downloads while at the same time targetting children on WB online (with the warning the kids could be shown porn ads from the download)...

    Good to see Valueclick is taking the high road, they must be on firm financials to be able to act so ethically.... yeah, thats it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by thecool
    Gene - Have you noticed how quickly CJ removed the names of the employees?
    I understand. Who wants their name associated with a company paying their "publishers" to spread spyware?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSanf
    OK, now it really is time for any affiliate with half a brain left in their head to dump CJ!!

    Why are any of you still using them? Sure, I know it will be work to replace all those links and merchants but you are going to have to do it anyway. Why let them choose the time? Take the control yourself.

    And, do you really need to be doing so much work to do CJ updates or add new products when doing the same work takes half or even a third of the time at other networks?

    And, it isn't as if you don't have alternative programs aplenty to choose from, is it? Oh, come on! If you can't find enough good, quality merchants to promote elsewhere by now, I think you really do have a personal problem.

    Now, you get this slap in your face. Do you STILL fail to understand the agenda? What are you thinking?

    CJ is no longer for affiliates. Don't you get it? What took you so long?

    If you are still hanging on to false hope, you really MUST be off in lol lol land or just not quite bright.

    If you are so dependant on them for income that you can't let go, tell me this, did you make more or less money for the same work with CJ this year than you did two years ago? What did you do about it, just work harder and add more CJ stuff? Did that make sense? Why didn't you diversify?

    Well, you aren't stuck but you need to get those pages changed and the faster the better off you will be. That is, unless you really WANT to be affiliated with a network that supports things like zango and makes it almost impossible for you to compete.

    And, tell you what. It wouldn't surprise me even a little bit to see CJ/VC activities investigated down the road. It also wouldn't surprise me to see sites affiliated with them caught up in it, too. At this point, the more distance I put between CJ and my sites the better. If they go, no privacy policy is going to cover YOUR fanny.

    Since you have many, many other options, I would really think you would get out of that network just as fast as your little fingers can crank out new pages.

    What is it going to take to get you to wake up and smell the coffee?
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