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    A question. Seems deep but might not be.
    While browsing the "recently updated" listings at a popular blogging site, a question for the age(s) occurred to me: Are there actually more people out there who BUY (or are looking to buy) PHENTERMINE online than there are who buy, say, ipod accessories or PC components? Why the obsession with that (and several related) target markets? If I was a big time spammer I would think that right about now my prospects would be better pushing kids backpacks or sumthin'.
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    There's a large portion of people with obesity problems.
    This drug can be addictive so perhaps a site is trying to be the supplier.

    I don't think it's a good idea to take a drug like this without a ion from a doctor, but perhaps many people who don't have medical insurance go to sites like these?

    Pills (across the spectrum from vitamins to viagra) seem to be a big money maker for some company or somebody.

    I question how ethical all those sites are.

    Also those sites might not necessarily be American sites, they might be situated in countries with different laws (so they escape the FDA).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phentermine
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    Most of the drug sites are unethical. As Rhia points out, not seeing a doctor and getting a new ion??? Ahh no. And most legit companies ban spammers, so there you go. A match made in heaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    I question how ethical all those sites are.
    And just adding commentary that isn't answering the OP's question -- when it comes down to promoting products for a commission, it really does come down to one's own ethical disposition regarding that product. Speaking for myself only, even if a legal product or distributor will net me oodles of bank, if the product or distributor breaches my own ethical or moral standards, there will be no plans to promote it. Of course, everyone's comfort level is different.

    As far as PHENTERMINE, I'm sure in the hands of those responsible to handle it properly is not an issue. But so is alcohol.

    A bit off topic, but just a thought.

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    It just seems to me that there would be fewer potential buyers for something like that than there would be for the kind of products that Target has to re-fill their shelves with on a daily basis.
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    When I check the overture suggestion tool I get:

    465232 phentermine

    36535 accessory ipod

    762 pc component

    And this is a record of searches made. I guess phentermine is much more popular and a "bullseye" type word where the other are a outside word, not the main word.

    Strange but true....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoWires
    It just seems to me that there would be fewer potential buyers for something like that than there would be for the kind of products that Target has to re-fill their shelves with on a daily basis.
    Target backpacks don't cause an addiction real or psychological (in the mind).

    Additionally, individuals taking this drug on a long-term basis may develop euphoria and a psychological addiction to it. [1]
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    When I check the overture suggestion tool I get:

    465232 phentermine

    36535 accessory ipod

    762 pc component
    But there is one phentermine.

    There are hundreds of possible terms that relate to ipod accessories or pc components. "External hard drive" would be a pc component. "RAM Upgrade" would be pc component. "Wireless Mouse" would be PC component. Phentermine is phentermine.

    Target backpacks don't cause an addiction real or psychological (in the mind).
    I'm not talking about addictions or needs though. I'm talking about size of the target market. How many people will buy kids school gear online late in August? Or books? CD's? Disney CARS crap? How many people will buy phentermine during the same period?
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    When you use online tracking tools you are tracking the number that search online.

    I bet most families just pile in the car and go get that stuff. Easier to make kids happy in the store and see the sizes and quality. For most families no searches done and no purchases online.

    Phentermine is difficult to buy without ion in most places (read blackmarket) Most people dont do that. Lots of interest, maybe some purchases but bad conversions? (I am guessing)

    Most of us arent worried about total markets. We arent manufacturers or retailers (yet). We are worried about markets and keywords online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    Additionally, individuals taking this drug on a long-term basis may develop euphoria and a psychological addiction to it. [1]
    Euphoria = That feeling of great happiness, commonly exaggerated and not necessarily well founded.

    I may not be well founded or overweight, but I just might buy some of this stuff just to get that exaggerated feeling of happiness. Would make for a great weekend during these hot humid days.



    Sorry, this was DEFINITELY off-topic!


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    Actually it is illegal to sell phentermine through a ion that was issued online. Only if the patient has a ion from his / her doctor is it legal for a pharmacy (online or offline) to fulfill a phentermine ion.

    There are (for now) web sites that offer phentermine that is prescribed by their affiliated physicians, but it is illegal BOTH for the pharmacy AND the person ordering it to do so.

    There are also offshore pharmacies that continue to offer what the FDA and DEA classifies as controlled (scheduled) substances that U.S. residents may not legally order - and more importantly for safety reasons - should not order. Fortunately, they are becoming fewer as the FDA and DEA continue to pursue them.

    The only medications that can be legally prescribed by third party physicians are "Uncontrolled" (unscheduled) medications such as Viagra, Renova, Propecia, Xenical, Yasmin etc. If a web site that advertises that "no prior ion is needed" offers any substance that is a controlled substance - it is not a safe pharmacy and most likely is also an illegal operation. Also, at this point in time it is illegal for any U.S. resident to order any medication from any pharmacy not located and licensed in the U.S., or for any pharmacy to dispense drugs not approved by the FDA - be they controlled OR uncontrolled substances.

    Online pharmacy is like every other industry. There are both ethical and unethical folks. There are good marketing practices and there are bad marketing practices. Offshore pharmacies that offer controlled substances are illegal, yet they most times escape DEA prosecution as they are tucked away in another country where FDA has no authority.

    As for spam, no dount online pharmacy has seen it's share of spammers. I still get at least 2 - 4 daily pharmacy spams. In 100% of the cases in which I get a pharmacy spam, the pharmacy is operating illegally because 1.) they always seem to include controlled substances in the drugs they offer to prescribe online, 2.) they offer offshore unapproved medications and 3.) they violate federal and state spam laws. The bright side is that I used to get 15 - 20 a day, so the DEA IS having some success in bringing illegal online Rx and spammer sites down.

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    I don't think it's a good idea to take a drug like this without a ion from a doctor, but perhaps many people who don't have medical insurance go to sites like these?
    BAH @ the medical profession and its legal monopoly on access to prescription drugs, bah.

    I've run into enough idiot doctors who haven't learned a thing since they squeaked out of med school 30 years ago, that I think it's unethical of the feds TO require a prescription! Seriously I could do just as well myself--provided I do the required research. I've endured enough idiots guessing around trying to get dosages right that I'm sure I could beat a lot of them. All I'd have to do in some cases is RTFM!

    Needless to say, I find nothing at all unethical or dumb about the *basic premise* of cutting doctors out of the equation.

    The problems start when people don't do that research, and the drug sites don't promote them to do it, either. But--I've run into too many doctors who haven't done the research either!

    The overture suggestion tool never lies or does it?
    Yes, it can lie. It is affected by all the advertisers, and potential advertisers, pulling up the listings for the target keyword/phrase. If bots are doing the checking, there can be some rather severe distortion of the results. It's not so bad now that they've blocked bots from some of the more direct ways of checking, but I would expect that there are still some distortions in the results for terms a lot of potential advertisers are curious about.

    It's best to get a few opinions (check WordTracker and Google AdWords and compare results--don't forget to compensate for the differing time periods in the reports) before laying out any big money. But even then, sometimes it's possible to end up with a surprise dud that just sits there either getting nothing but curiosity-checkers, or (for terms less popular than "phentermine") no clicks at all. With PPC, curiosity-chechers are worse than no traffic at all, since they cost money.

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