Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 68
  1. #1
    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    9,944
    TH Media I understand what you are saying but, here is what I don't understand. Fred got 70 sales last month doing it his own way. This month, he conferred with Andy on the phone, harkened to his advice, and spent money promoting Andy's program. The result of all that "improvement" on Fred's part was
    100% loss of what he had going the month before! And, another result was to become the object of Andy's public scorn and ridicule when he asked the same questions and expressed the same frustration that we would have had it happened to us. This was after Fred worked all month long implementing some of the suggestions that Andy apparently made in their phone conference.

  2. #2
    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Andy Rodriguez's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Sunny Miami
    Posts
    8,384
    SSanf,

    First of all - you and anyone else is welcomed in my forum. You are welcomed as long as you behave and treat people with respect. When an individual starts of a comment with "F**K You", then at that point - no you are not welcomed and if it would have been a personal conversation, that individual would have needed a hospital bed.

    I treat everyone with respect and only present the facts. The truth. As evident by all my posts. I back up my data and comments. If you are going to come to my forum and treat me with disrespect, manipulate words and statistics to represent something that it is not, no I won't allow that in my forum. You come with the truth and your cards in plain view, then we can talk.

    Fred, was given plenty of opportunity to represent Tiger as an affiliate. Many opportunities. Fred's traffic is not the kind of traffice that buys at Tiger. His "view" of the affiliate marketing world is not one that i share. simply put, Fred is not a good match for Tiger.


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Fred got 70 sales last month doing it his own way.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sent out 250,000 incentivized e-mail, people had no idea what they were clicking through.

    Out of 250,000 people, some of the sheet stuck. Period. Many clicked becausethey are getting one cent for all they click. I'd click that mouse day and night too.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This was after Fred worked all month long implementing some of the suggestions that Andy apparently made in their phone conference<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Same suggestions that i have made to hundreds of affiliate partners since August of 2001, by e-mail, phone, IM, and on newsletters.

    Same suggestions that have taken Tiger's program from an average of $100,000 per month is affiliate channel sales to over $840,000 in 6 months.

    Same suggestions that i will use to help any of you, any day, to help you convert and maximize your revenue steam.

    Talk to the many ABW members here making money with Tiger.

    Fred got pissed off because i responded to his disrespecful and rude comments with the truth. I posted the numbers. Numbers don't lie. I further exposed his ongoing BS about impressions, CTR's and conversion BS. Look at the numbers again. You wanna get into a conversation with me and accuse me of cheating you? Your dealing with the wrong person. I will always win, because i don't BS anyone. You won't have a chance.

    Fred has plenty of knowledge and sincerely i think he is a smart individual, it's a shame that he uses his intelligence to BS his way around here and in this business.

    I removed Fred from my program, because the time and energy i would be spending defending our program from his BS comments i could be spending with others here helping them succeed and generate revenue. Nothing personal against Fred, I will have a drink with him and BS all day long, now don't treat me with disrespect and insult my intelligence.

    We have everything in the open folks, let the truth set you free.

    As another ABW member said:
    quote:
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Originally posted by EcomCity.com:
    Fred you won't find another merchant at BeFree that could have earned you more money on sales deals than TigerDirect. My limited traffic earned me $283.40 last month so the savvy shopper finds the pricing and product mix attractive.

    Have a great weekend folks...

    P.S> Vouchers approved and checks are on the way..

  3. #3
    Newbie
    Join Date
    January 17th, 2005
    Posts
    1,537
    Andy,

    Mike is probably right in terms of making me money on BeFREE. Tiger is the second best program on BeFree...it's the BeFree part that sucks.

    And that was what I was complaining about.

    It's not worth dealing with merchants on beFree relative to sending traffic to merchants on other networks.

    And the reason you got the big FU is you devalued my efforts and time used to send you traffic.

  4. #4
    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    9,944
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Vouchers approved and checks are on the way..<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am sure the "50 or so" out of "12,000 affiliates" who will get checks appreciate it.

  5. #5
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    2,402
    Ssanf,
    And I too know where you are coming from...and I understand to an extent where Fred is coming from...perhaps he does have a valid complaint about a possible tracking problem...It reminds me of the story of the boy who cried wolf. I understand sometimes there could be tracking problems, or that merchants can be dishonest. As long as I've known Fred it has been one program after another that was screwing him over, while others were not complaining....while he is screaming lawsuit all over the place. I don't have anything against Fred at all, and I never had...it's sometimes difficult to see any validity to his point of view when we have seen it a thousand times..and Fred did the same thing to people in the past..somebody accused him of his programs not paying, and he denied it and became downright rude about it (refresh my memory, wasn't Chuck one of them?)...now he says he didn't pay because he is owed money...then he says he is part of a bigger picture and it's not his fault, and he is doing whats right...why wasn't it him that was doing what is right before. I've seen a lot of people claim that Fred refused to pay them, and there have been many arguments in the past (both here and on CJU)...All said and done, it was his FU that did it for me...If he had a problem with Andy's response, he could have said it differently...it wasn't all that long ago the same argument was being made in the other direction from affiliates against Fred...

  6. #6
    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    9,944
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>it was his FU that did it for me...If he had a problem with Andy's response, he could have said it differently<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    This is true. But I can sure understand why he was mad.

  7. #7
    Newbie
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    591
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andy - TigerDirect:
    ...if it would have been a personal conversation, that individual would have needed a hospital bed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sounds like a great way to promote an affiliate program. Makes me want to join.

    [ 04-13-2002: Message edited by: Commission King ]

  8. #8
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    2,402
    Ssanf,
    You are correct, and I can see him being mad about it...Maybe I just hate seeing the infighting...I'm glad Andy is here from Tiger...more AM's need to be here as well...It gives us affiliates a chance to interact...and like I said, I personally do not have anything against Fred...I've seen some very helpful posts from Fred with some thoughtful information. Also, Fred has been around for awhile, and I know he has had some successes in what he does and I don't want to see him banned from ABW. I have stated the things I do have against Fred, and it was just a matter of his complaints against every merchant...when he said the same about Andy, it was taken by me with a grain of salt. Perhaps I should not have gotten involved in the entire conversation, but I felt the need to express my opinion when Andy was attacked. I believe that both Andy and Tiger are honest. I also think it shows integrity that they are here...Merchants that screw affiliates will probably stay far, far away from ABW...I know Haiko makes an incredible effort to get Affiliate Managers here...but ABW can be an affiliate managers nightmare if a company isn't honest or has a reputation of playing with the numbers.

  9. #9
    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    9,944
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I believe that both Andy and Tiger are honest. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I think so, too. But, I think he may let his own personal esteem keep him from seeing a problem if one develops. But, who knows? I have never met the man. I only have what he writes to go by and that probably doesn't tell me all that much about him.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Haiko makes an incredible effort to get Affiliate Managers here...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Haiko is A1 in my book.

    And, as far as Andy goes...well heck, he's in the same boat as everyone else on earth. Some people are gunna like ya. Some won't. It's part of the human condition. One thing I am certain of is that Andy has figured that one out by now. Any affiliate manager that comes here has to understand that, or this is the wrong place for them because they will definitely be under the gun.

  10. #10
    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Andy Rodriguez's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Sunny Miami
    Posts
    8,384
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SSanf:

    Any affiliate manager that comes here has to understand that, or this is the wrong place for them because they will definitely be under the gun.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Bring em on !! Hey, I know it's a jungle out there...

    The only way to survive here is with the truth and honesty folks. Last time i checked, it was close to 2,000 affiliates and 3-4 affiliate managers.

    I know i'm in a jungle, but remember who i am - Tiger !!

    Ssanf, I personally invite you to take my Tiger for a spin. What better way to speak about a program than to experience it first hand. After you start making some cash with me, then i'm sure you will see the issues in a different light.

    The invitation is there, on the table - show me what you've got, i'll work with you...let me put some money in your bank account...

    Do you take the challenge?

  11. #11
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    297
    I'm sorry Andy, but I just looked over Fred's questions to you again. The same type of concerns that many have posted in various places on this forum. Your response was a outright attack on Fred, looks to me you had the <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/fu2.gif> coming.

  12. #12
    Content $ Queen Ebudae's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    2,823
    Well, when an affiliate manager (or anybody for that matter) starts sayings things to the effect of "if he could see how I looked he would not open his mouth" this is just a tad bit too testosterone (sp?) for me - lol.

    I mean really, who cares how big or bad anyone is or how much butt you can kick.

    Vicki [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
    who presently is living with teenage boys and has heard just about enough from the 'gang' about how big and bad they are :rolleyes:

  13. #13
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    297
    Andy,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You wanna get into a conversation with me and accuse me of cheating you? Your dealing with the wrong person. I will always win, because i don't BS anyone. You won't have a chance.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Sorry Andy, you don't win on this one as Fred's comments on cheating was mostly directed at BeFree.

    You and Haiko may be kissing buddies, but you don't get a free pass with "I am Tiger" crap. Take a look at the CJ forums... I think most of us like what CJ does for us, but nobody holds it back with them when they do there fishy stuff.

    Hold that tiger

  14. #14
    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    21,609
    Tribune,

    I highly respect success, and what Andy has done with the TIgerDirect program is an incredible success! Above and beyond that, Andy is REAL not like many of these managers who create a facade of being 'real' while they are using ParasiteWare traffic and many other unscrupulous things, Andy runs a clean ship!

    No 'kissing' at all, just RESPECT!

    Haiko

  15. #15
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    297
    Haiko,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>No 'kissing' at all, just RESPECT!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I understand, and my "kissing" remark may not have been the best choice of words. I think you know that I respect you and I have no reason not to respect Andy, but that doesn't mean we can't have differant opinions, nor does respect give Andy a free ride.

    Am I taking sides with Fred on this issue, you bet, but not out of respect... because in this case Fred is Right and Andy was Wrong. If I had to go into battle with someone it would be with you and Andy, that is one indicator of respect, but having respect for someone doesn't make that person alway right. IMHO, you took Andy's side on the issue out of your respect for him, not from the facts. Read that thread again and you will see that it was Andy that started the flaming, not Fred. You judged Fred from his history and defended Andy out of your respect for him (not really a bad thing), but the facts remain it was Andy that got hot and started flaming in his response. Although Andy never told Fred to get F**K, it was Fred who use the word, never the less it was Andy that told Fred to get F**ked for asking a questions that many ask all the time about CJ.

    Sorry, Buddy, but the Tiger doesn't fly on this one.

    Respectfully Yours,

    John

  16. #16
    pph Expert! Gordon's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Edmonton Canada
    Posts
    5,781
    @ tribune
    I am not backing either Haiko Andy or Fred here but if you read it from the begining I think you will find the issue really was not what Fred said it was the way he said it. I would agree that Fred had every right to complain about the way he was answered but he did it the wrong way. I can swear and cuss with the best of em but there is a time and place and I don't think a public board that women & youngsters use is the place.

  17. #17
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    297
    Gordon,


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I can swear and cuss with the best of em but there is a time and place and I don't think a public board that women & youngsters use is the place.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I couldn't agree with you more, except from what I read if you seperate how you treat women on this board you become labled a sexist. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>if you read it from the begining I think you will find the issue really was not what Fred said it was the way he said it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Maybe, but the issue to me was the way a manager responded to an affiliate concerns, which to me, on this board, being about Affiliate marketing, is more important. You don't need to read it from begining to end (I did, a couple of times) but, just read the first post from Fred and the first response to Fred from Andy. You need to go no futher to see how an affiliate was treated by a manager for asking a question.

    Take Care,

    John

    [ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: Tribune ]

  18. #18
    Newbie
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    1,336
    Ageism *and* sexism?

    I can feel a couple of choice phrases coming on right now...

    And I'd rather hear an honest '**** you' than a 'lets all talk about why we love Tiger'.

    Which has me reaching for the sick bucket every time.


    I

  19. #19
    Affiliate Marketing Consultant Andy Rodriguez's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Sunny Miami
    Posts
    8,384
    What is the real issue here?

    The real issue here is the "type" of traffic that was sent to us by Fred. No one will argue that all traffic is the same, right?

    There is targeted traffic, people looking to buy a certain product or service and there's incentivized (non-targeted) traffic, traffic that knows that no matter what the offer is they will get paid "x" amount to click on a link. So i click. I want my 3 cents, "IF" and only if i see something that may interest me I may buy. But i'm not clicking with my wallet out. I'm not thinkin - "hey, I am going to buy this 19" FlatPanel i am looking for", Tiger has it at a great price, no I'm thinking of getting my 3 cents added to my account.

    If anyone has taken the time to read on all the posts between Tiger and Fred, you will understand why I took that attitude towards Fred's post. Nothing against Fred personally, like i have said before, he seems to be an intelligent individual and I too have learned from some of his posts. I can sit down and have a drink or two with the man, no problem.

    The challenge that I had with Fred Conquest is that he wanted "his" traffic to convert at par with my other affiliates that are sending me same levels of targeted impressions and CTR's.

    That is why i posted the chart. That is why i answered in the way i did. Someone that would read that last thread, wouldn't have understood unless they knew the Fred/Tiger history. Fred until recently was on a Tiger and BeFree attack.

    I have proven many times to Fred in the past that "his" traffic coming to Tiger, does not convert at the same level as any other affiliate sending un-incentivized targeted traffic.

    Fred would always blame either BF or Tiger for his lack of sales, lack of conversions - when in reality the fault lies on the "type" of traffic being sent. This last time, when he used the "F/U" gesture, in my book he crossed the line.

    The chart does not lie, it shows Fred's stats right in the middle along with the other top 50 affiliates (based on CTR's).

    I want to invite some of the more experienced people on this board to please analyze the chart and tell me if I am wrong. Tell me if I am wrong as to my conclusions of the type of traffic that Fred was sending Tiger.

    The Chart:

    Affiliate Name Impressions Click Throughs Net Shipped Sales

    XXyte 596,975 70,766 $14,282.06
    XXall.com 0 26,879 $127,223.56
    XXping 1,465 19,075 $98,054.93
    XXare 448,706 18,829 $2,961.71
    XXins.com 5 17,311 $38,090.68
    XXctory 53,359 16,521 $27,430.30
    XXart 0 14,896 $65,432.12
    XXlet.Com 1,524 9,536 $14,560.56
    XXNet 348,024 9,293 $0.00
    XXort 6,051,179 6,272 $22,367.95
    XXews.com 3,533 5,425 $10,561.22
    XXes.com 0 4,900 $111,685.78
    XXnter 0 4,687 $5,471.02
    XXalls 0 4,190 $13,582.63
    XXcommunity 349,146 4,163 $8,091.02
    XXrch.com 6,937 3,878 $10,787.79
    XXMall 66,647 3,662 $23,977.61
    XXing.com 8,752 3,295 $1,048.92
    Xxex 148 3,153 $4,438.60
    XXputer 33,107 3,149 $542.93
    XXages 5,784 3,024 $12,773.73
    XXher.com 1,359 2,907 $3,992.70
    XXmputer 55,476 2,878 $6,195.38
    XXServices 153,525 2,704 $4,679.65
    Net Biz Corporation 11,553 2,412 $0.00
    XXview 0 2,148 $0.00
    XXders 69,146 2,121 $5,018.39
    XX.com 77 2,053 $3,309.12
    XXree 0 1,855 $15,000.08
    XXunt 73,172 1,753 $6,608.81
    XXeb 12,870 1,666 $3,178.10
    XXeUSA 0 1,644 $0.00
    XXvice.com 732 1,518 $5,026.35
    XXnity 1,143 1,498 $0.00
    XXeals.com 1,474 1,493 $11,616.49
    XXlutions 0 1,489 $149.95
    XXuide 129,886 1,446 $5,569.62
    XXLL.COM 3,145 1,346 $6,993.72
    XXals 0 1,312 $2,769.90
    XXkey 56,303 1,259 $8,519.74
    XXha.com 47,732 1,250 $1,356.95
    XXlight 17,714 1,119 $3,457.29
    XXtwork 0 1,112 $299.99
    XXdia 32,866 1,073 $8,818.97
    XXals 0 931 $324.55
    XXall 21,561 912 $2,106.80
    XXsiness 4,886 906 $899.99
    XXper 1,393 866 $3,075.60
    XXine 5,918 833 $2,858.86


    Folks, I had the pleasure of meeting Wayne Porter at AffiliateForce 2002 and was very impressed by his knowledge and experience within this space. He said it best, I'm quoting from his post:


    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Fred,
    I have to ask if your traffic is incentivized or not?

    You report:
    11,553 impressions
    2,412 click-thrus

    This checks in at a CTR of 20%.

    If you have garnered a 20% CTR on contextual ads using a site, keyword or classified ad generated traffic then your CTR is stastically way out of line with industry norms. Best are 2-5% CTR on contextual links depending on several factors. Perhaps you did not deploy web beacons evenly across all of your sites, but that seems inconsistent. Why track a few impressions? Most sites either use the pixel tracking or utilize their own internal link redirect scripts that negates their use.

    But given the fact that a myriad of other affiliates are showing conversions and sales, as per Andy's post, it stands to reason that the users at the end of your click aren't reaching for their wallets.

    Tracking and reporting anomalies are almost always either global in nature (affecting all affiliates) or caused by malformed HTML links on the publisher's end.

    After researching your site I can't seem to find any properties that would indicate the type of targeted traffic you state. I do see some for getting paid to read e-mails and I believe you run a CPC program on another small network...

    Perhaps you could point the board to a sample of some of the properties running the targeted links in question and you could get some community feedback on how to improve conversion?

    -wayne
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Fred, you didn't answer Wayne, and you blamed me and BeFree for your lack of sales.

    Will you allow the ABW members to give some feedback on your websites and maybe improve your conversions?

  20. #20
    Super Sh!t Stirrer SSanf's Avatar
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    9,944
    That was not the issue.

    The issue was wheather Fred deserved to be banned when he responeded to you in that manner.

    Most seem to feel that although he should not have used those words, he was quite provoked.

    The subject of wheather Fred's traffic will or will not sell for Tiger doesn't concern the rest of us much. If he can make money with Tiger, fine. If not, there are lots of other programs.

    We are all aware that there is an ongoing "thing" between you and Fred. Probably, it is just as well he in no longer in your program.

    [ 04-15-2002: Message edited by: SSanf ]

  21. #21
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    2,118
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If you have garnered a 20% CTR on contextual ads using a site, keyword or classified ad generated traffic then your CTR is stastically way out of line with industry norms. Best are 2-5% CTR on contextual links depending on several factors.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    It would be simply ridiculous to draw any conclusion based on a ctr, and a comparison to some "industry norm".

    If I were to draw truly targeted traffic to a page, and Tiger Direct was the only link on that page, it was non-incentivized in any way, and there was a good sales job on that page, then I would not be at all surprised to see a 50% ctr.

    Why wouldn't you expect the visitors click thru at such a high rate?

  22. #22
    ABW Ambassador
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Location
    Canada
    Posts
    1,650
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I would not be at all surprised to see a 50% ctr<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Jimbo, I quite agree with you that such a CTR (and even better) is achievable, with targeted traffic and a well-focused page. However, such a scenario would produce above-average sales as well. That's not happening here and the reason is simple: not enough of Fred's clickthroughs are happening because of *active* interest in the product(s) being promoted.

    Elisabeth Archambault

  23. #23
    Full Member
    Join Date
    January 18th, 2005
    Posts
    297
    Andy, I am sorry to repost SSanf post when it only a couple of messages up, but she or I couldn't have said it better.
    Please read her comments again, as you have missed the point. You seem to be too caught up in being the badest tiger in the Jungle.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    That was not the issue. The issue was wheather Fred deserved to be banned when he responeded to you in that manner.

    Most seem to feel that although he should not have used those words, he was quite provoked.

    The subject of wheather Fred's traffic will or will not sell for Tiger doesn't concern the rest of us much. If he can make money with Tiger, fine. If not, there are lots of other programs.

    We are all aware that there is an ongoing "thing" between you and Fred. Probably, it is just as well he in no longer in your program.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Let me add to what SSanf had to say if I can. I think everyone who has posted on this subject either here or in your forum knows Fred. We know about the lawsuits he claims that he will file vs Haiko. We know about his past with you and BeFree. We know he is not the most honorable of marketers.

    What you don't seem to understand is that he asked a few questions and voiced a few concerns in a civil way and you came right back with a very personal attack with all guns loaded.

    As I have said before on this subject, he did nothing more that we all have, time and time again concerning CJ and other programs. Read some of Haiko's own postings about CJ and you will find that Fred's tone was mild in comparison.

    Fred was provoked by you, you didn't like it and took the easy way out by attacking and then you took the football away and said Fred couldn't play anymore.

    We all know you are the better man, what we don't understand is why you didn't act like it. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

  24. #24
    Newbie
    Join Date
    January 17th, 2005
    Posts
    1,537
    I have no problem with Andy saying my traffic dosen't convert as well as other sites, it dosen't for who knows why.

    But I made 70 sales in February...and 0 in March and April and the traffic was much more focused in March & April.

    Considering Andy was selling memory for $15, to not get ONE sale in 2,400 is beyond believable. I'm not saying I should have had 240, just one to three all things considered.

    And I will bet it's BeScrewed's tracking that's the problem - not Andy.

    I blame BeScrewed because I KNOW from experience, mine and others, that they cheat, either intentionally or not, they do not track all the sales.

  25. #25
    Newbie
    Join Date
    January 17th, 2005
    Posts
    1,537
    Let's look at the CTR.

    Once upon a time Value Click was paying $.15 per click thru. We had their banners up on our Astrology pages and were getting the usual 1% to 2% CTR.

    We experimented with some ideas to increase CTR and came up with the following.

    We built a page called Best Of The Web. On this page we put ONE text ad and a banner for that link. Every other day we changed this link. This was the featured site.

    In addition we posted the rotating ValueClick
    rotating banner and a link to Goto as outlinks. In other words if you had already been to the featured site you had two choices to go somewhere else.

    We had our CJ affiliates sending upwards of 10,000 people a day to this page. So the ValueClick banner was shown about 300,000 times per month. We consistently got 5% plus CTR for these secondary outlinks and ValueClick would always complain we were cheating.

    Put 2 ads on a page and you will always get a higher CTR than with even just one ad on a page.

+ Reply to Thread
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •