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    It's real interesting how all you so called high powered affiliated sites have taken advantage of a 'beat' merchants to the target
    traffic by having 1 of 20 per category listings in our new clickhere2findit directory. NOT.

    Well, too bad for you. We have started selling spots to merchants and we expect to be SOLD out by April 15th - 400 slots at $200 minimum for 100,000 impressions.

    $300 for 100,000 impressions with a banner
    and your banner gets spun on the front page in rotation with all others who pay the extra $1/cpm.

    Here's what you will miss out on - branding and clickthrus to your specific merchant
    pre-sell pages. An opportunity to get in on the groumd floor before the merchants have a chance to even buy a slot and have a slot that will go up in value as traffic to our directory increases. But of course you want to wait until it's a proven deal. Sorry, it dosen't work that way.

    So you all continue to spend all your time trying to make chump change on all the free places everyone else on the planet is trying to get a good position on and keep getting screwed by Snare, BeFree, BendOver and the scumware and the like.

    You could have purchased a slot and also become an affiliate and make 3 cents per click thru for traffic you send us and make back some or all of the costs. Then any traffic you get would be FREE - idiots.

    We paid out over $150,000 to affiliates and members of our paid email deals in 1999 and 2000. We will be paying out $30,000 per month to affiliates by June of this year.

    The site goes live - a beta is up now. You all had a chance to be in the top slots but NO. Oh well.

    Guess the merchants who have been contacting us will get the deals direct while you all twist in the wind.

    I'm not in the charity business and I have tried to help you all see the light. But what can I say.

    You all have fun spinning your wheels grubbing for sales when you could be making a
    'guaranteed' money as an affiliate and have the opportunity to get targeted traffic.

    If you really think merchants and the adnetworks care one wit about whether you make any money and that Overture and Yahoo need to have a middle man inbetween the merchants and the consumers.

    So last chance - you are in or out.
    www.clickhere2find it.com

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    Wow, that is a real negative hard sell!

    Haiko

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    That's one hell of a stratergy you got there Fred.
    Tell everyone off, call em idiots and then still expect them to sign up.

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    That's quite a case of Sour Grapes, Fred, but it still doesn't wash!

    But rather than just get out my trusty flamethrower and say that YOU are the idiot, I will remind you that you are competing against FREE Google listings, and MEGA-TRAFFIC paid portals that have proven their ability to deliver the clicks!

    And far from twisting in the wind, we have found that some of these Non-Fred traffic sources actually send BUYERS in substantial quantities.

    Most of us have also tried a banner farm (which is what it sounds like you've got when your pitch is stripped off) at one point or another and know how well that doesN'T convert!

    So we're unsold. I'm sure you can get some merchants to sign up--after all, some merchants were paying $20.00/click at one point on OverSure at one point :rolleyes:

    Don't forget to give them a free can of Vaseline for signing up!

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    Dude, If it is such an opportunity for affiliates, then why don't you just put your own affiliate links up. You'll clean up!

    Put up affiliate banners. Think of all the commissions you'll make! Oh I almost forgot, your traffic does not convert.

    I told you a long time ago the prices are too high for affiliates, except maybe in a few select categories.

    By the way, how is that mlm working out? Making your $50,000/week yet?

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    Like I said - you all have fun. You had your chance.

    If you all think affiliate marketing is going to get easier, you're braindead. You are all going to have to pay for listings on Google and Yahoo...there is no way advertising is going to pay ANY search engines freight.

    Why does any merchant need you...they don't.

    And pretty soon when Yahoo and AOL pull their heads out of their asses they will simply say to merchants - we would like to be your affiliate on a CPA deal. Game over for you.

    You heard of Walmart - well with RARE exception, if you want to sell stuff in Walmart or Sam's Club - they will tell you what they are willing to pay and either you agree or they will get some other product.

    Eyeballs are it. This targetted crap is utter stupidity as far as major merchants are concerned. If you can get on AOL's home page you get 39 million impressions per month. Sell 1/10 of 1% and you just sold 39,000 whatevers. The only question that needs to be answered is WHO WILL AOL ACCEPT FOR THE SLOT in CPA.

    They are being forced into CPA just like we affiliates. NO ONE WANTS TO PAY FOR ANYTHING.

    Which means the people who will pay will make more money. Because FREE is never FREE.

    Unless you can make enough each month to cover your costs you won't last too long in the game. Only 10% of all affiliates on the planet make enough to get a check every month. 90% are simply spinniing their wheels.

    I set up our directory to up so EVERYONE would benefit. But hey you all have fun trying to make enough to buy a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

    You had your chance.

    I will probably use some of my affiliate links until we sell out. But, I won't have to use very many especially in the real popular categories because the REAL marketing people will be buying slots in droves. I just gave all you guys first choice. But hey you are too dumb to take advantage of it.

    And Jimbo, The $50,000 per week will materialize in September, just like I predicted. Isagenix has only been live 1 day and I only need to make one more sale to get a check.

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    I've told all of you before. Simply pity poor Fred. He obviously has no selling talent - those posts contest to that. We all know that merchants have to be able to sell, or our traffic is worthless.

    Just pity the fool.

    Obstinatedon

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    Well thanks for the offer and for looking out for us as we head into the end of affiliate marketing, but the fact remains that your prices are too high for affiliates.

    Actually affiliate marketing is far from dead. It's just that your technology is outdated.

    No one wants banners or even clickthrus anymore. Give us a mousetrap that secretly sets cookies and redirects everything thru our affiliate links. Then we can team up with Befree & CJ and scam the merchants. THAT is the bright future of affiliate marketing!

    CPC and CPM are dead. With BF & CJs blessing I'll pay you per secret redirect and per cookie.

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    Fred,

    I think everyone here can see that you will make money with this. Your affiliates will also make money from the three cents per hit but you believe that the merchants/listing buyers will also profit.

    The fact is they probably will not unless you get really good high quality affiliates. I can't see how you can sell quality when you haven't even tested/launched yet.

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    >Why does any merchant need you...they don't.

    Search engine optimization largely.

    There are several merchants would have been better off financially if they'd just put me on the payroll. But I don't make a good employee. And I slap sex pests. All employers are sex pests as far as I can tell.

    I got fired from one company 7 times. And got rehired with a payrise each time, but who needs it? I just had three days off and couldn't wait to get back to the computer.

    I know this job isn't getting any easier, but so what? I'm getting better. That 'right place right time feeling' comes up two or three times in a lifetime and its here again.

    Any industry can be gotten into for pocket change in its infancy and thats what I did initially. Now I have an advertising budget and I expect this and other expenses to grow. I'm not exactly depressed over this.

    By the way, I don't think the Sulky Sell works very well on Americans. Save it for the Englishers.


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    Thank you Fred. I apprechiate being called an idiot just cuz I don't happen to "buy it."

    I don't like Starbucks, I like Folgers - straight from da man - Juan Valdez.

    Why should I pay a high price for a crappy cup of coffee just cuz some yuppie thinks it's oh so shiek (or I am an idiot for not buying it [img]tongue.gif[/img] lol).

    So, this idiot will just sit here and drink her Folgers, thank you. And I can buy a whole can and the pot to cook it with for the price of one cup of Starbucks.

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    Good one Vicki,

    I hear the new name for Starbucks is Fourbucks and that is per cup [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Fred,

    So I am an idiot? If I am such an idiot why do you waste your time posting? Certainly, you have better things to do with your time?

    You gave us the chance to get in on the ground floor and we didn't take it. So what. Now you're back to inform us that we have screwed the pooch again for not signing up. I gotta hand it to you Fred, you have cojones.

    You ask, no demand, that webmasters plunk down $200.00 to give you a try. Sorry Fred, I was born at night but not last night. Prove your product works, give us a reason and real numbers that justify that your service is a worthwhile venture.

    You run around spouting figures of 39 million on AOL and in typical MLM fashion, "IF YOU SELL JUST 0.01%" you'll have 39,000. If that is indeed the case, then why are you here wasting your time on schmucks like us who wouldn't know opportunity if it bit us in the butts. Wow, millions of eyeballs on that weight loss program of yours and 0.01% conversion, Fred, you would clean up on that. Better run after that.

    Fred, I know that educating us in marketing and the law IS a tough job and your legal advice has been shall we say "TOP FLIGHT:<pun intended> and I appreciate you for it. Fred, however, I cannot in good conscience plunk 2 bills down on you to find out if your are a winner. I prefer facts, not just that Fred Conquest and the legal beagle say it works.

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    Well if it's not Fred from cj's old message board. also his clickhere2find site doesn't even work.. Well this sure seems like spam.

    and: http://www.4net-4-biz.com/ doesn't have a lot of sites linking to it.. compared to freebiesforever.com, I surpassed him in link popularity based on http://www.linkpopularitycheck.com/
    freebiesforever.com

    AllTheWeb 128 links
    AltaVista 82 links
    MSN 15 links
    http://www.4net-4-biz.com/

    AllTheWeb 67 links
    AltaVista 13 links
    MSN 0 links

    Looks like he's desperate to get affiliates linking to him :0). LOL.

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    Jason,

    You finally got over 10 links, I'm impressed...actually we don't care who links back to us...we get 600,000 to 1,500,000 page views every month so who needs a few back links.

    Most of our stuff dosen't even refer to NetBiz - our stuff focuses on topics and products not company.

    And the Click here site that's up is just a beta page.

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    It makes a difference how you enter the url. Why?? Should these results be added to get the total or are the second reflected in the first?
    http://sanfords.net/

    AllTheWeb 1724
    MSN 1238
    AltaVista 698

    http://www.sanfords.net/

    AllTheWeb 467
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    AltaVista 268


    How many links back are considered a good amount anyway?

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    Fred,

    I'm confused. Are you trying to sell listings in an empty directory that is only in a Beta testing? Your site states;

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Everyday Our 200,000 Plus Affiliated Websites Send Traffic To View ClickHere2FindIt Our Category Specific Pages And Your Ad.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Is this false advertising? If you have 200,000 plus affiliates, why can't we seem to find proof that 1/2000 of them are linking to your site?

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    Heyder,

    Good Question Heyder.

    Will merchants make money from this set up?

    If we are talking profits, I have no idea.

    If we are talking revenue - some will make a lot, some won't. Depends on how well they
    convert, capture email addresses and get bookmarks from the click thrus they get.

    But all the merchants will get "branding."
    They will get their name seen daily by people. Go try to buy 100,000 impressions for $200 anywhere on the planet in any category specific publication where you are only 1 of 20 advertisers.

    Even better, where can you get 100,000 impressions for $300 that will show your banner in a rotating basis on the FRONT page of any directory that gets more than minor traffic plus have a category specific listing.

    What everyone misses is that BOOKMARKED traffic is the best you can get and you have to BRAND to get it. Why do you think AMAZON spent $1 BILLION plus to Brand the name? Amazon has 600k affiliates - if each affiliate gets just one person to bookmark the site every month AMAZON is the sales channel of choice for 7.2 million people per year. And they don't have to pay affiliates a single penny for the branding.

    The fundamental weakness of CPA from the affiliates side is the merchant gets FREE branding. I send 20,000 of "junk" traffic to
    any merchant and 1% BOOKMARK the offer - 200
    people now have instant access to this merchant. This merchant now has received 100,000 NAME impressions in the email, 20,000 people have visited his webpage that for the most part wouldn't have ever seen it. If the deal is good he makes 20 to 200 sales. But the real value is in those who signup for the sites newsletter or bookmark it.

    The one thing that differentiates you from all other affiliates of a specific merchant is - branding.

    Suppose 100,000 people per day visit our directory and the category COMPUTERS. 20 merchants get their ad viewed and their name seen by 100,000 people. ALL THE ZILLION OTHER COMPUTER SITES ARE LEFT OUT. If the site makes 1 sale per day the merchant has acquired 30 new customers for $200 to $300. Less than $10 per customer. If they make 2 sales per day it's $5 per customer.

    In the real world it's practically impossible to acquire new customers for less than $5. Plus, the merchant gets the chance to capture email addresses to build on the sales.

    That's why merchants should sign up. And if you have a pre-sell branded webpage for a specific category of products you should sign up.

    And the main reason is you simply cannot get enough daily exposire from search engines to make any really serious money.

    Plus, who ever joins as an advertiser can sign up as an affiliate and make back some or all of their costs and more.

    For example, suppose Andy at Tiger buys the 1 million impressions with the banner for $3,000 and he also signs on as an affiliate
    and sends out a email to check out our site
    to his 1 million list. If 100,000 out of the million go look he makes back his $3,000. If more view it he makes a profit.

    He's now in for free...we get exposure, branding and bookmarks. We profit from the return visits. Our goal is to make a penny profit per click thru - it's the best anyone can do because the net is a commodity.

    Everyone wins...that's why you should join before categories get fully subscribed.

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    Seasslug,

    It won't be empty when it goes live and yeah we have over 100,000 affiliates ready to sign up and send us traffic. We just have to send them the URL to the landing page.

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    Fred,

    Seaslug quoted your site:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Everyday Our 200,000 Plus Affiliated Websites Send Traffic To View ClickHere2FindIt Our Category Specific Pages And Your Ad.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Then you Said:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It won't be empty when it goes live and yeah we have over 100,000 affiliates ready to sign up and send us traffic<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    So will that, now be 300K affiliates?

    Haiko

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>What everyone misses is that BOOKMARKED traffic is the best you can get and you have to BRAND to get it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>While I am a big believer in brand, I get the feeling Prof doesn't know squat about it. People don't bookmark because of brand, they bookmark because they find a site useful, want to find it again, and odds are, the site isn't branded well enough for them to remember it.

    I have dozens of sites you've never heard of bookmarked, but I don't have MSN bookmarked. MSN is branded so well, I don't need a bookmark.

    And it's obvious that Prof has no clue that all branding efforts are NOT created equal. If you're selling Boxsters you can probably spend your money more wisely than a brand campaign in a neighborhood where the average income is $25K a year.

    Why on earth would anyone spend any money, time, or effort on branding to Prof's target audience which he has proven time and time again (with all his whining on this board) doesn't convert?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And the main reason is you simply cannot get enough daily exposire from search engines to make any really serious money.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh, and he obviously knows nothing about search engine optimization.

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    I must not know either,about search engine optimization that is,I wish someone would clue me in.After about 5 years you would think a person could figure it out.
    At this point I don't know if I'm washing or hanging out.

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    Haiko it was a typo, should have been a 2...either way we will have a ton of affiliated sites online with links up sending us traffic.

    And as you know Haiko..only 20% will actually do anbything - I already have a million daily impressions lined up from just 4 affiliates.

    Cedric can tell us all about branding, I'd be interested. Plus he can tell us how much he makes, how many impressions he gets per day and all the other stuff. When he does that then maybe we can take him seriously.

    Remember who it was that sent 25,000 people to the boycott site in two days - ME.

    How many did Cedric or Donnie or all the other so called "super affiliates' send to put a stop to scumware. ZERO.

    They can tell us how bad we are but can't even post their own URL because they are too scared.

    I made more selling listings today than Cedric has made since the beginning of the year. So who cares what he thinks he knows.

    I gave you all a chance and you still have some time...but arts & entertainment shopping and sports & recreation are almost sold out.

    Yahoo...

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    Fred,

    I'll refrain from your "math" but I will answer ...

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I made more selling listings today than Cedric has made since the beginning of the year.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I can only say this, with all certainty, I SERIOUSLY DOUBT THAT!

    Fred ... I suggest you know before .... you do a (as you say) "Brain Fart!"

    Haiko

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