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    You really want to make money. Here's how and why.

    Okay...now before you all get into the a tizzy, the following contains links that are
    my referrals.

    First, As Jada, Leader & Mouse Jockey have proven you can make excellent money from CPA
    deals. But you also cannot. And a whole lot of it is NOT in making sales or getting leads. It's in the tracking and in actually GETTING PAID for your sales and eforts.

    I consult for some serious marketing types and they say that the profitablility of dot.coms is going down, not up. And as a result, cheating and tricks to screw affiliates and scumware are all being employed because overhead is killing these businesses. Snare, CJ & BeFree and Performics are all having trouble with this fact of e-commerce life. Access to the big affiliate groups is proving unprofitable - not becuse of sales but because of the overhead to do the sales and the actual reach merchants get from their affiliates.
    It's somewhere down to less than about 5% of all affiliates bring more than 100 impressions per day and only about 1% are making any sales at all.

    Now there is a way around this for all merchants and affiliates -

    Start your own affiliate program. Here's the program we use to run our private program. You can start your own for $35 per month - it tracks live on the fly clicks, sales and leads and IT WORKS.

    Affiliate Program Software

    Two. You need some cash flow? The VERY BEST cash making program on the net is Build Referrals. I have 81,000 people in my group.
    People join like flies breed and BF PAYS.

    I am making $1,500/month alone just from the free to join program. In addition, they have a $5 per month program that makes killer coin from two sources - members who join and the fact that one of the spiffs from BF Matrix is I get the resell rights to 200 plus eBooks for my $5 per month.

    You don't have to join but you should seriously look into this deal. They got it wired. The $5 Matrix deal is lightyears the best $5 you can ever spend on the net.
    http://netbiz.buildreferrals.com

    Three. Get your own eBay store - $10 per month and sell no more than 3 things at a time. eBay gets 1.5 BILLION page views per month - put up an auction for your product and you will get a hundred times more traffic to your eBay store for the $10 than you will get for $10 at any PPC.
    http://www.mastermcom.net/ebay.html

    4. You need products to sell. What do you want to sell? I will get it for you wholesale. Some stuff can be drop shipped. Some stuff you have to buy by the dozen.

    Or you can keep spinning your wheels trying to put square pegs into round holes.

    Now this dosen't mean you should quit CPA if you have some good merchants that convert stuff, just branch out into different channels, so you are protected if you get the shaft from merchants who due to market conditions and over ingestion of stupid pills blow up.

    It Pays To Learn And Build Referrals most of our expenses every month now. All the profit comes from how well we do with CJ, Click Bank, Direct Leads, Websponsors and our own programs.

    You have to set things up something like this, because you can't trust the trusted third parties.

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    You gave us so many choices for big money that my head is spinning!

    First you gave us the $50,000 per week diet drink MLM. Then you shared the start your own affiliate program on CJ idea. Now you have revealed the start your own affiliate program for $35 brainstorm.

    Where should I start? Which is the best?

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    my, those are a lot of choices! why, it's just like being a kid in a vegetable store!

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    I think we should create a newbies corner and make sure Fred is locked out of it before they get taken away by all the hot air <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon38.gif>

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    I said a long time ago although what Fred does maybe is legal I do not like the way he does it. His ethics leave a lot to be desired. But then again that could be why he makes big money and I don't. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

    At least I am happy that I can sleep well at night though.

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    lololololololol......
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    Seems Haiko has a problem of me telling you to go start your own affiliate program before he can get his version of CJ up and running.

    Not that it matters, either way you should do both if you are in the biz.

    Haiko is in the same boat we all are -trying to scramble to make enough revenue to keep the ledger on the profit side and revamp things so we won't have to go thru the wringer again.

    We are all in the same boat - NO VENTURE CAPITAL - so we all need to do things that actually return cash for time and money spent.

    First, if everyone is so successful why are their so many dot.bombs and cheating or braindead merchants lowering commish or vanishing.

    Second, you shouldn't join ALL the programs just the ones that fit your circumstances.

    I happen to like playing trivia at It Pays To Learn. And since they have paid me over $3,000 so far for a $60 total investment - it works for me.

    I like Build Referrals because I know the owner and what has going and what is up his sleeve for the future. Plus, it's totally simple to promote and make a PROFIT in both time and money. So far I have made over $3,000 for an investment of $50. Sure beats the crap out of what the dumb fund managers are doing in my 401K.

    And that dosen't count the awesome number of tips and tricks available from reading the eBooks, and from selling the two best for $5 each and knocking down $300 plus extra per month.

    You should join just so you can read Scientific Advertising, Magic Letters and The Power Of 2.

    But of course all the Greek Chorus never really read ALL the info at BF. You got to be a total moron not to join.

    As for Isagenix...you shouldn't join if you can't go out and sell 2 people and teach them to do the same. As for $50,000 per week by September - it's right on schedule.

    And what's wrong with eBay? Is everyone so stupid to not know they are the only dot.com making a proift. What's wrong, you all can't afford the $10 per month for an eBay store.

    Aren't you all making serious jack doing CPA?
    Gee, I mean Andy is making a killing doing his own program. Without Tiger's SALARY, he'd be lost in the rain in Tampa or where ever.

    As for my ethics: Here's real deal. Business is competitive adventure. Just like life. I
    am more than happy to help anyone but NOT FOR
    FREE.

    It's the same deal as Jada or Leader getting
    hit on to do the work or tell every one how to do it.

    And guess what if you cannot make $30 per month from ANY type of online marketing you might as well get a JOB. That's about the minimum in cash you can get away with to be in the game...add your time in and most everyone is a dot.bombs waiting to happen.

    But dead mackeral can sell 2 eBooks per month off of ClickBank and make $30 per month.

    The internet is a network, and the best way to utilizae it as a network - competing agaist each other is stupid if as a group we can leverage the returns for all, that's why
    I like the MLM type deals.

    You can read Scientific Advertising and get the equivalent of a BA in marketing from Harvard Business school for $5. But who here has.

    You make a few lucky bucks and you are Joe expert. Yet so far no one has impressed me except Leader that what counts is ROI.

    Guys with real money simply laugh at the internet. It was a great way to scalp profits in the stock market but as a business it's lame. They are only interested in parts of it because it let's them lower overhead. It sucks for sales and profits.

    Walmart blew $100 million the first try at e-commerce. And where is K-mart? BK.

    The reason almost everyone is failing is they are not using the internet for what it is - a network.

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    Don't forget, Fred - the internet is also a great place to scam people, as you are fully aware. Here's your favorite method to make money on the internet, which I noticed you left out:

    Tell people you'll pay them to send you traffic and help you build a list of email addresses. Send all the traffic you get to pages with affiliate links. Send emails with affiliate links to the email list. Make money from the commissions you make from all the people clicking and buying from the affiliate links. Last, but certainly not least, refuse to pay the people who sent you the traffic and email addresses in the first place.

    No overhead or venture capital needed!

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The VERY BEST cash making program on the net is Build Referrals. I have 81,000 people in my group.
    People join like flies breed and BF PAYS.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Hm...
    Initials of Build Referrals would = BR

    Yet you say BF (BeFree?) is what pays...

    Hmm! You call them bF in the second post, too.

    Taking a quick glance at their site, I don't see the initials BF anywhere or any name which would go with that.

    "Be Free pays..." Freudian typo?

    On another note, I see that the BR site has a See You Again Shortcut on it and a See You Again Membership level. Is that a Paul Burke site?! I can't imagine anyone else liking See You Again Shortcut that much...

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    Leader,

    Freudian slip on the BR for sure...and no it's not Paul Burke.

    It's just Jim Ventrillo's name for a program within the BR deal.

    And here's another part of the BR deal that pays - but the money comes from CPA and if you can't make more than $5 with this part of the deal to pay the $5 per month deal then oh well.

    When you join Build Referrals and then pay the $5 to get into the Matrix, you get to use the tools as well as re-sell eBooks.

    One of the tools is a 40 url Banner Rotator which you can use as long as you pay your $5
    each month.

    Well, what if you have a content site or get a ton of traffic to your mall sites.

    How and where can you get massive 'branding' exposure for your site over time for FREE.

    Banner Exchanges - like Linkexchange.

    So what do you do? You take the BR banner rotator and plug in up to 40 banners for merchants that you are affiliated with and that you know pay along with one banner for your site (that's the banner you submit to
    they banner exchange) - everytime your banner gets exposed on a site that you have EARNED by showing someone elses banner on your site, your banner rotator shows one of your merchants banners or your banner.

    If you have a site that gets 10,000 visitors per day & you show 10,000 Linkexchange banners. And let's say you have your banner and your best 4 converting merchants banner in your rotator. You get your banner shown 5,000 times each day of which 1,000 brand your site and 4,000 others advertise your affiliate link. If you get 5 clickthru per site for every 1,000 banner inpressions shown on other sites you just got 5 targeted people per day to each of your affiliate links - 150 per month. Make 2 sales where your juice is $5 and you make an extra $40 per month. Once you set it up it's on autopilot.

    Now think about how this works, if you
    run your own affiliate program - a 1,000
    affiliates send 10 people per day to look at your offer. You make a few sales. But you also get 5,000 banner impressions for your program, newsletter, or other merchant spread out all over the web.

    It's the number one reason I like CPC. You pay affiliates and they make money, you get traffic and you make the CPA off the banner exchanges.

    It's why I love clickbank stuff. I made four
    text banners with proven click thru pulling headlines. Each one goes directly to a high
    percentage paying merchant.

    So every day I have the text link banner with the words "FREE INFORMATION WORTH A FORTUNE. Click Here." going to a CB merchant. Everyday, I get 10,000 click thrus to my site and get 2,500 impressions for that banner ( I use 2 banner exchanges so I get a 1 for 1 total return for banners I show) and at least about 50 click thrus which generate about 15 sales per month minimum from which I make at least $10 each.

    You can use this set up to build up your newsletter subscribers, recruit people to join your BR or IPTL group, or make sales or all three AT THE SAME TIME.

    What matters is that OVERALL the income exceeds the outgo.

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    Dignan,

    Considering you have never been in any of our programs and we do not owe you any money,
    What vicarious pleasure do you get out of all this - you jealous, you a martyr, you got time to waste, you the savior of the internet?

    Inquirting minds wnat to know.

    It's real easy to cry scam when there are no consequences. But here's the deal, you wish to call NetBiz a scam you had best start using qualifiers in your posts.

    Such as, "According to posts in some forums, NetBiz has been (verb of your choice) a (noun of your choice."

    You can also say IN MY OPINION, whatever.

    However, the very next time you allude to anything libelling or slander in myself or NetBiz you will hear from the legal beagle and get to play in the real world where there are consequences.

    So the first thing you sould do is go to the library and look up definition libel or slander and what qualifies.

    Then if you wish to continue, you know what the consequences could be and will not be guessing.

    Enough is enough.

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    Fred - Who says I've never been in any of your programs? What makes you think you don't owe me money? I have and you do.

    You haven't paid me or other affiliates (that I know of) in almost a year and a half.

    So, I don't need to qualify anything you blathering buffoon. I can speak from first-hand experience: Net-4-Biz is (was) a scam.

    By the way, your scare tactics don't work. I've got plenty of evidence that you owe me money. I've got plenty of evidence that my payment is long overdue. And this "legal beagle" you speak of - is he/she the same one who is suing CJ, Linkshare, and BeFree for millions of dollars? How exactly is that going? Perhaps you should get the little puppy to stop chasing its tail.

    I'm here to let everyone know exactly what kind of business person you are. I speak the truth and I ain't afraid to holler from the top of the mountain.

    Now pay up or shut your pie hole. My pie hole is just getting warmed up.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    Dignan wrote :
    I'm here to let everyone know exactly what kind of business person you are. I speak the truth and I ain't afraid to holler from the top of the mountain.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Now I'm here to CONFIRM the fact that from my personal experience Fred is a very very shady person/business.
    Sorry for those who are tired of reading my personal story but he did not pay, did not notify why & to date has not proven his theory of cheating which he sais I did on the CJ boards.

    All in all, he's a good brain that's evil too.
    I like his ideas (this thread he started -has ones I subscribe too myself, like, carry out & will do) but what's as in "A Beautiful Mind", the heart is much more imoortant than the mind !

    Cheers guys !

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Fred - Who says I've never been in any of your programs? What makes you think you don't owe me money? I have and you do.
    You haven't paid me or other affiliates (that I know of) in almost a year and a half.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Take your proof to a court of law. You do have proof? Haven't seen any of it here, which makes everything you say just slander.

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    Okay,

    You say we owe you money...how much from what program...and what is your, name address,email address and Id#'s.

    Post them here I will check it out and send you a check if all is in order and you will be dropped from the program and will not be entitled to any
    damages or any other benefits that may or may not accure from the law suits.

    And if you know of any lawsuit that gets settled in less than six month when the stakes are in the millions - you need to stop smoking jimson weed.

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    And one other thing...I do not owe you one penny...

    Net Biz Corporation might or might not owe you money if what you say is true.

    So if you want to ***** about Net Biz and you have a legitimate grip, have at it.

    But I am not Net Biz. I just work for them.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Okay,
    You say we owe you money...how much from what program...and what is your, name address,email address and Id#'s.

    Post them here I will check it out and send you a check if all is in order and you will be dropped from the program and will not be entitled to any
    damages or any other benefits that may or may not accure from the law suits.

    And if you know of any lawsuit that gets settled in less than six month when the stakes are in the millions - you need to stop smoking jimson weed.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Does the above hold true for me too ?
    I'll be glad if you could pay for my past efforts.

    You know well Fred, that I had over 1500 people under me joining legitametly cause I have a Paid Email review//downline builder site & NetBiz was No.1 on there for a long while because of a. the high payout & b. the no. of emails a week.
    It failed in c. (paying people).
    So when you monitored that 1500 came in thru well, how suddenly could you expect me to start using bots/robots.
    When you deactivated my acc. without any reason or notice I asked you on CJ Boards.
    You said you'll see & let me know.
    TIme passed & I asked again & then you said I tricked & cheated the system.
    By then I had some near 2500 people under me.

    Poop, I don't even know programming, and it's WORTHLESS paying a programmer to make some s#it like that just to earn cents.....

    What do you say ?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Take your proof to a court of law. You do have proof? Haven't seen any of it here, which makes everything you say just slander.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Tribune - most likely a court case would have to be settled where Fred lives, in Las Vegas. If you'd like to buy me a round trip ticket, pay for my hotel, and pay for my time off work, I'll start the process of suing Fred tomorrow.

    Slander means what I am saying is false. Well, what I'm saying is true. Fred knows if he sues me for slander he'll lose because everything I've said about him is the truth. Unfortunately (for you), I like to keep my profile on this board semi-anonymous. I'm not about to divulge all my personal information in this forum, whether it's directly or indirectly through Fred.

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>You say we owe you money...how much from what program...and what is your, name address,email address and Id#'s.

    Post them here I will check it out and send you a check if all is in order and you will be dropped from the program and will not be entitled to any
    damages or any other benefits that may or may not accure from the law suits.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I've given you all this information before Fred and you said I'd get paid if and when you settled your lawsuits. In fact, you told me that if I continued to ask for my money that you'd drop me from the program. Considering how many people I've read about who have been dropped for no reason, I decided it best to keep my mouth shut. At least in this forum I can let everyone else know what kind of a person you are without the fear of having my account deleted. But now you're saying you'll pay everything I'm owed if my info checks out? Are you willing to do the same for all of your other members? If not, why just me?

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>So if you want to ***** about Net Biz and you have a legitimate grip, have at it.

    But I am not Net Biz. I just work for them.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Fred, you aren't Net Biz? Perhaps then you could explain this little tidbit of information:

    Name: NETBIZ CORPORATION

    Type: Corporation File Number: C14176-1999 State: NEVADA Incorporated
    On: June 08, 1999
    Status: Current list of officers on file Corp Type: Regular
    Resident Agent: FREDERICK L. CONQUEST (Accepted)
    Address: 4370 S. GRAND CANYON DRIVE
    #1006
    LAS VEGAS NV 89147
    President: FRED CONQUEST
    Address: 4370 S GRAND CANYON DRIVE
    #1006
    LAS VEGAS NV 89147
    Secretary: FRED CONQUEST
    Address: 4370 S GRAND CANYON DRIVE
    #1006
    LAS VEGAS NV 89147
    Treasurer: FRED CONQUEST
    Address: 4370 S GRAND CANYON DRIVE
    #1006
    LAS VEGAS NV 89147

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    Yikes!

    This is getting interesting!

    I have to agree with Dignon. If he/she has proof, it isn't slander. Libel and slander laws are for everyone's protection, but with proof (which he/she claims to have) then there isn't a dang thing to be done.

    I also find it difficult to believe that there is no truth for this person to already have research and company info ready to go.

    I do have to wonder if you have tried to play this out with your AG? See since this is an internet venture and business is being conducted in your state, your state's AG CAN get involved. Think of all the companies who are prosecuted by individual states and persons for fraudulent business practices in their state. So you do have options for recourse. I would contact the state's attorney general. It is simple and can be done without a lawyer, although you will want to eventually get one.

    As is common is law, you can ask for recoupment of legal fees since you had to hire one in this case that will go across state lines.

    Best to you all.

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    Damm,

    Holy sheet...very interesting...

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    Dignan,

    It is required that one have 3 officers to start a corporation in Nevada. That simply means that I am an officer.

    Sinnce that was filed in June 1999. We have 3 officers and directors. I am just one.

    Ownership, however, is based on who owns the stock. We have 3,500 shareholders and I do own a big chunk but not 50% so I really have cannot just do as I please.

    Maybe you should take a Intro to Business 101 class before you go spouting your mouth off.

    Officers are elected by the shareholders. Duh. You are welcome to come sue us anytime your heart desires.

    And we will pay you if we win our suits...you just have have patience.

    But I see you side stepped the offer - you can have your money now or maybe get a much bigger payday.

    But you ducked it...just so you can take your shot. And like I said, NetBiz is doing whatever is required and legal to keep going.

    Flaming me, will not get you anywhere. I could resign as a director tomorrow and you'd still be in the same boat.

    I do not owe you any money. So either stop saying that I do or I will sue you and we'll see how it all plays out.

    It's not my fault you have no patience and fewer brains. I would love to pay everyone today but it just cannot be done.

    Everyone has to wait...me included.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>It's not my fault<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Ahhh, now you've jiggled my little grey cells. Now I remember of whom it is you remind me. Ever read Atlas Shrugged?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Ownership, however, is based on who owns the stock. We have 3,500 shareholders and I do own a big chunk but not 50% so I really have cannot just do as I please.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    If that's true then why did you just offer to possibly pay me what you owe in lieu of any potential lawsuit winnings? I thought you couldn't just do as you please?

    [QUOTE]Everyone has to wait...me included.

    Apparently not, since you just claimed that you'd look into paying me if I don't want to wait.

    ...Who do you think you're kidding, Fred? You are Net-4-Biz and Net-4-Biz is you.

    The information I posted is the Net Biz corporation info listed with the Nevada Secretary of State. Note the status - "Current list of officers on file".

    You're listed as the Resident Agent, President, Secretary, and Treasurer.

    Are the other two officers in your corporation are also named Fred Conquest? Didn't think so. So it looks like you're either lying to us or the state of Nevada.

    Which is it?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And one other thing...I do not owe you one penny...
    Net Biz Corporation might or might not owe you money if what you say is true.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I am not net biz. I just work for them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    WOW! now thats an after thought! and thats exactly what it was.

    Fred, you just hit a new low! and thats saying something!

    wow, what a complete and total scumbag, i am disgusted

    I hope this does end in legal action, it's about time you found out that nobody is afraid of your legal puppy and i may consider donating a couple of thousand dollars towards the case.

    How disgusting to say that you will only pay if your affiliates post their personal details on a public forum and then as an afterthought to say that you have no responsibility.

    Your program at cj only confirms peoples worst fears that commission junction only care about the $250 monthly fee and care less about tracking and fraud. Oh, i forgot, it's not your program.

    I am absolutely disgusted with you fred and with ABW mods for allowing you to continue to post, i thought the purpose of ABW was affiliate support.

    Can anyone here imagine catalogcity or zappos spouting out those comments to their affiliates? Fred may be a character, he may be eccentric but that is no excuse for his behavior.

    Though i kind of like fred these issues should be taken far more seriously.

    It's about time the phoenix was put out of it's misery.

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