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    Search Engines (Yahoo) Become Affiliates
    An interesting finding of Adam Viener:
    http://www.revenews.com/adamviener/2...p_results.html
    "So it looks like Yahoo is now competing with the coupon code affiliates, is it too much of a stretch to think that after the search engines get a taste of coupon affiliate commissions that they might not go after more?"

    And other one of CJ. What else are they doing, right now? Helping their affiliates? Sure!
    Plus, with Commission Junction, we offer our affiliates excellent customer service to help with any questions they might have.

    http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=kod...&cop=&ei=UTF-8

    I wonder where Affiliate Marketing is heading? I'm so glad Jeremy Palmer is going to teach us how to make money.

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    I think Yahoo is using coupon syndication by Coupon cabin. If you look at the URL, it refers to domain gwk26.com which redirects to couponcabin.com.

    PS: I am not sure if it is allowed to mention a affiliate web site name like this. If not, mods please delete this.

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    You're right.
    Yahoo shows the ad as if it's one of theirs.

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    I agree with the comments that this is just another form of paid search. The Revenews blogger seems to be succeeding in circulating just another conspiracy theory.

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    He forgot to click the about link or actually try more than just 1 search, Jimmy set it straight.

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    There's many comments after Adam post.
    I clicked on the about link before posting and it's why I thought it was a Yahoo Ad:
    I didn't read it all the way. And I didn't check the redirect.
    "What is a Yahoo! Shortcut? A Yahoo! Shortcut is a quick way to get to the information you want. A Yahoo! Shortcut automatically appears when it is relevant to your search and can contain links to useful content from Yahoo!, its partners, or across the web. "

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    The "About" link makes no mention or inference that Yahoo's shortcuts is tagging the term Brand name+ coupon. They just are doing it under the covers of some user experience smoke screen.. What is a Yahoo! Shortcut?A Yahoo! Shortcut is a quick way to get to the information you want. A Yahoo! Shortcut automatically appears when it is relevant to your search and can contain links to useful content from Yahoo!, its partners, or across the web. Some of the content may come from partners who pay to be included in Yahoo! or have another financial relationship with Yahoo!.... http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/ not one shortcut category outlined is for affiliate cookied coupon traffic.... until bucks get passed to make it happen!


    try this one for the reality check... http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Ove...web-t500&x=wrt and see how payolla buys exposure.
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    "and see how payolla buys exposure"

    Yes Mike. It's called PPC, sponsored search, nothing new.

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    Same redirect for Overstock coupons.
    You may have somebody to watch for your lack of sales, Mike.
    Is it a deal sharing with an affiliate?
    Is that affiliate acting as a CPA network and retributing Yahoo as a sub-affiliate?
    Is this a forced click by the affiliate? (As Sheryl said at Revenews)
    Why this hidden domain for the redirect and not the affiliate site?
    Is it allowed by CJ? Do they know about it?

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    I guess you can compare the ids to find out.

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    Time for Ms. B, Ben Edleman and Donuts to crank up their clickstream viewers and OUT the money trails. This is killing off a lot of legit referral sales commissions as Yahoo certainly knows Brand + coupons hijacks/interlopes on more affiliate sales then even the BHO's garner in by forced click popups.

    Mondera: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Mon...&cop=&ei=UTF-8

    Walmart: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Wal...web-t500&x=wrt

    Dell: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Del...web-t500&x=wrt

    eBay: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=eBa...web-t500&x=wrt

    Office Depot: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Off...web-t500&x=wrt

    Holdup Suspenders: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Hol...web-t500&x=wrt

    Looks like some wanker in Canada is going to learn the meaning of Registered Trademark enforcement using their site scraper directory feed and PPCSE click trap application to hawk coupons.... where they've never existed. Yahoo should know better as they've been given legal notice before! Some merchants demand ethical advertising from both SE's, PPCSE's and all affiliates to avoid consumer confusion at the point of sale.
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    These pricebudget.com people are framing everything, From your Suspenders to
    Forzieri: http://www.pricebudget.com/d/j/116171/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus
    These pricebudget.com people are framing everything, From your Suspenders to
    Forzieri: http://www.pricebudget.com/d/j/116171/
    I thought using frames to make another site (i.e. either of an AM business or the site of another webmaster) seem to be one's own was against the TOS of most affiliate merchants?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    I thought using frames to make another site (i.e. either of an AM business or the site of another webmaster) seem to be one's own was against the TOS of most affiliate merchants?
    To frame a merchant site (or an other affiliate) is never ethical, to add AdSense and stuff cookies to monetize the merchant trademark is not something I will do.
    I'm not an expert in Merchants TOS.

    These pricebudget.com people are quite an offender.
    Scrapping sites... and framing thousands of merchants... Made for Adsense...
    Just have a look at:
    http://www.pricebudget.com/d/j/116172/
    you can enter any 6 number at the end, better than a web ring, you'll find a new site each time.
    Last edited by Zeus; August 22nd, 2006 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhia7
    I thought using frames to make another site (i.e. either of an AM business or the site of another webmaster) seem to be one's own was against the TOS of most affiliate merchants?
    Yeah, back when I was a total n00b, (and frames were popular), I framed a merchants page. Got a nasty phonecall from the merchant only a few days later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus
    I'm not an expert in Merchants TOS.
    This site comes in handy for some legal questions concerning cyberspace law:

    Case Updates - Internet Library of Law and Court Decisions, Phillips Nizer LLP

    http://www.phillipsnizer.com/library...nputImgTag.y=8

    Here is the link for (some) cases regarding linking & framing:

    http://www.phillipsnizer.com/library...ng_framing.cfm
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    "To frame a merchant site (or an other affiliate) is never ethical"

    Some merchants have allowed it and posted here at ABW that they do (Overstock, JCWhitney). It also helped against parasites. None of those laws apply if the merchant allows it.

    Old thread about it:
    http://forum.abestweb.com/showthread...+merchant+site

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecomcity
    Time for Ms. B, Ben Edleman and Donuts to crank up their clickstream viewers and OUT the money trails. This is killing off a lot of legit referral sales commissions as Yahoo certainly knows Brand + coupons hijacks/interlopes on more affiliate sales then even the BHO's garner in by forced click popups.
    Putting the frames issue (and any issues of what's on the destination sites) aside for a second, the Yahoo! shortcuts are just another form of ppc really... see Yahoo Paid Inclusion for more... it's open to everyone, but does incur a cost. If you're handy with xml and such, getting your listings in there is something many large spending advertisier regularly do. Shortcuts apply to many things, like local biz ads, isbn's to find a book, etc.

    Short Cuts look a lot less like an ad for a coupon and more like a consumer helper, but it's still cpc activity for Y (G has had a similar ShortCut feature since 2003). Looks like some couponers are just going after paid inclusion listings to add another way to get a click. Nothing nefarious going on with that, in my opinion.

    Some other examples of Yahoo's Shortcuts and how they are trying to win the search engine war by helping the customer find data (while monetizing as well):
    http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/

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    That thread over there has gotten big. I don't think you'll ever see a search engines own affiliate links in the natural serps.

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    I have just begun my final research into this devistating subject of SE's moving into the natural SERP areas as full blown or syndicated Super Affiliates. It's being done safely from gleening tidbits during constant contact with Google staff members at Adwords, GoogleBase/Froogle and the Google Checkout team.

    NET results trend towards a win win for the major SE's with Google leading the pack. It does not bode well for those using Google et all as their own personal coupon yellow pages. Short of the stats from the Google hated BHO's, they have datamined and have a transparent view of the entire affiliate industry from merchants to Super and part time affiliates. Yeppers ...even the SEO and SEM trickery and a full blown attack plan to weed out the major SERP spamming categories including the freebee infestation listings and bogus anti-Spyware/Adware detect removal tools. Not one person I talked too didn't have siteadvisor.com loaded in their Google toolbar. They understand the Corporate mission is to enhance users Google experience and protect them from exploitation on their first 2 pages of search results.

    They knew so much about my client sites they were willing to go the extra mile to get at conversion info through Google Analytics. They knew enough to not put up any guards to my proding questions, so I passed whatever smell tests they have to eliminate me and my clients as Google manipulators. All the questions & theries posed here and at Revenews are on my mind while delving into Googles mindset and plans. They will cherry pick the low hanging fruit through automation.

    It reminds me of having a 80lb dog who places one paw on your knee. Then another while your not noticing. Next the lovable pouch has the hind leg up and the other shaking from trying to hide the weight transfer to your lap. You can bet this Google dog plans to be in your lap making sure he's petted and scratched.... till feeding time.
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    what? Search engines don't have their affiliate links in the natural serps.

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    This is scary news if you have a coupon site, i don't like the sound of it at all. I think from what I'm seeing lately that the affiliate business is under threat from the big players like Yahoo & Google. They seem to be slowly working their way into these affiliate markets discreetly and without been noticed too much. Take for instance that Google is advertising on Australian TV that you should use your mobile phone when you shop online and go to Google Shopping and make all your purchases through Google. They are using Australia as their testing ground and when they have all of the system fully tested and optimized it will be released in the USA and by that time no one will be able to oppose it as it will be streamlined and a great service and consumers will love it. affiliates will have to look at new ways to generate income within a few years if we continue too see these alarming leaps and marked penetration by these big players with massive budgets. They have every right to be an affiliate I guess but it's very worrying.
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