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    1. Join a banner exchange and make the banner that will be shown on the exchange pages one of your best paying affiliates.

    So if you get 1000 pages views on your site, your exchange banner will be get 500 page views - since the banner that is shown for you is for one of your merchants, you leverage up your chances of making sales.

    2. Join goClick and post their pop-under on your most viewed paged. You get $2.50 for every 1,000 impressions you show. Only put it on one page.

    3. Make sure you get paid for as many people as possible as they leave your site. Put a
    text link or such that says something like:

    Click here to find more (whatever your content site is about). You can use PPC search engines like Bend Over, Go Click or post a link to eBay or Amazon

    If people click on these links you stand a good chance to make a sale or worst case 2 cents per click.

    And here's a bonus:

    Make a "content" site just so you can EASILY get listed all the dumbo SE who value content. The traffic you get then does 4 things all well and good for you...show your money making banners on other sites, acts like a cash register because of the pop-under and give you the chance to make some money by bouncing them unobtrusively to a sales page and when they leave your site - which everyone is eventually going to do.

    Now I am not a big fan of pops of any kind, but a single pop-under that offers people the chance to find more info is worthwhile.

    That's how you make Content sites pay and hopefully profitable.

    Here's the numbers: $30 per month for hosting, time spent fooling with the site.

    You need 12,000 visitors to make $30 from the pop-under - that's 400 per day. If you get in DMOZ, Google and a few of the other SE's, buy a listing in INK, you should pretty close to this number every day just from SE traffic.

    You need 6 eBay leads to make the $30 from the eBay banner on the banner exchange or if you use it as an outlink.

    You need to make 2 sales per week to cover the $30 if you use a merchant who pays less than eBay...or just 1 sale if you use a merchant that pays more than $30 per sale.

    When you put them all together, it's pretty hard not to make profit. Grow the traffic grow the profits.

    The biggest reason most content sites are losers is they try to sell off their sites and have a zillion ads on them.

    There is no need to have more than two or maybe three links on your content site - one for a banner exchange and one for a "Find More Of Whatever the Topic Is." And maybe one for thank you here's a deal we think you might like.

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    Sounds pretty good...

    Just make sure that putting merchant banners in banner exchanges doesn't violate the Terms of the applicable agreements. Some affiliate networks don't like that part. No need to give merchants ready-made excuses to not pay.

    Other than that...(shock here) I can't think of any objections, beyond the overall earning potential. But it beats making $0 off of c*ntent!

    [ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: Leader ]

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    The thing I found with a content site is people are coming for content -- not to buy.

    Top banners, text links hidden in content, whatever the trick is, people don't come to buy. And I'll never do pop up/unders.

    A lot of that might work though for some, guess you'd just have to try.

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    The popunders were exacly what made me say "sounds good"--because people DON'T buy sheet from content (Like I've always said!), so might as well take the CPM!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    But if you don't want to annoy the viewers, that leaves content's usual profit potential: [img]tongue.gif[/img] <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon13.gif>

    Give or take a few 2c clicks...

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    Looks like a very good idea fred.

    You can use the money earned out of ther pop unders and 2 cent clicks to advertise your revenue pages on the goClick and other PPCs and make 100s to 1000s off your content site!

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    Thanks for that idea folks. I've got a content site that's been around since 1996. It currently averages 2000 successful page requests a day but there isn't a dern thing I can sell these folks. I would be happy if this one just paid for hosting fees. I signed up for GoClick and already have the code on my pages.

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    While most feel making money from content sites is difficult or impossible, I've spent the last 5 years on the net doing just that.

    There is much trial and error involved but finding out exactly what will hit your visitors hot spots makes a huge difference. Most of it is highly targetting your traffic and slipping in text links to relevant products as often as possible.

    Find good cpm or cpc advertising for your site too. Burst, Fastclick, Doubleclick (if you have enough pageviews), Advertising.com and a few others out there, that way you can always make a little bit on each visitor even if they don't buy.

    Just my 2 cents [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    Fred,
    Some very good points. I have several content sites that started as hobbies, then became marketing tools. With our free music site, we were dealing with musicians who were on the web looking for tools for their website. If that isn't targeting for a music webhost, then I don't know what is. We have since switched focus towards small business, but we still have ways of marketing to the musicians. In another thread, I was talking about marketing our weather pages to radio stations...they are a perfect target as well for our webhosting products, cognigen products. Some radio stations that we host will resell our hosting to their local clients. I believe that in many cases, a pure content site can be used as a great tool to generate revenue, you just need to figure out how to work it into that niche.

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    My gymnastics site - actually it is a collection of sites - is difficult to find products for.

    What I have noticed - I find this somewhat interesting - since I posted the GoClick pop-under code to my pages yesterday afternoon pre-populated for "gymnastics", 80-85% of the pop-unders are actually being used to search.

    [ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: eaglefire ]

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    Some Good Tips for sure !

    In Particular, the banner exchange [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

    Regards
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    Eaglefire, have you looked at the posters at Art.com? They may have some that would fit your site.

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    I'm with PW on this one: I won't use pop- ups/unders. I have indeed added a Go-click search box on many new pages (content or not) for those who have not found what they are looking for. Changed the submit button to say "search the internet" to make it clear that they would get results beyond my site.

    I've followed what Robert posted back on CJU about culling money out of a content site: add text links to books. Not much money in it, but then again, there just isn't much to be made from content sites.

    Of course, the biggest move was to change the title tags and headline on one page on my content site .. same old content... and bingo traffic that converts. It pays more than its server fees now, plus links from there are valuable.


    Other than that, there's nothing wrong with a good old fashioned loss-leader (not to be confused with the ABW Leader [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] ) that only makes server fees.

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    I'm normally dead-set against pop-overs myself and don't like/have never used pop-unders before. This one is a simple search page, pre-filled with "gymnastics" that only appears once in a session. I have that on the message board summary/entry page and on the content pages of the site. I have a search box on the message board itself instead of the pop-under. To date, only one person has used the search box. As of last night there had been 300 searches using the pre-filled search pop-under.

    The problem is that this site is so niched - a niche of a niche - that they've read any books worth reading already. The visitors are made up of journalists (gym press), photographers, judges (gymnastics), former world/olympic gymnasts & their students, and serious fans of the sport that live and breathe the Code of Points. They save their money to go to Euros and Worlds every year. They are primarily at the site to do research, ask & answer questions, and trade videos (rare stuff- rarer than 1980 Moscow Olympics for example - that's the one we boycotted), so I guess a search for "gymnastics" that opens up in a separate window (so they can keep the message board window open) is attractive to them because they are using it.

    The only thing I think I could get some of them interested in buying is MPEG and digital camera/video equipment. I am still waiting on Andy to add that site for me [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] so I can put some Tiger products there.

    But the site gets a lot of traffic. The entire domain does - I own the domain, have several of my own sites there, and have allowed some to host there for free. The freely-hosted sites bring huge traffic as well. I am close to the 5GB bandwidth limit so I will likely be paying for additional bandwith soon as the site(s) is(are) well ranked in all the engines. I'd like to get it to start supporting itself and maybe pay a little more to compensate what I've paid out to keep it going.

    Another issue with using Pay-per-sale is that the traffic is international - I've as many from the UK, Japan, and Australia, Canada and South America as I do from the US. Finding product that can be ordered/shipped anywhere in the world has been a challenge.

    The pay-per-sale links that I've been testing that have gotten the most clicks are Ebay UK (only 1 or 2 a day) and Eurorail. Eurorail gets more clicks than any other banner on the site. No sales for anything so far.


    And I appreciate everyone's suggestions [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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    To pop-under or not to pop-under that is the question.

    So let's post an answer.

    On a CONTENT site YES. Everywhere else NO.

    Why? People come to a content site for information...so if they are looking for information, your job is to give them information in a quick, time saving way.

    And that's why I LOVE the goCLick search pop-under because it does just that...it gives them a way to find information they are looking for in an unabtrusive way real quick, right when they are lokking for it. It provides VALUE to my visitors.

    And YOU GET PAID. You get paid (with in reason - unique clicks with a time framw of 2 to 3 days, so if you get repeat visitors they are not bombarded with the pop-under) $2.50 for every 1,000 visitors you get to your site.

    As for POP-Overs - the prepertrators should be forced to deal with Linkshare for everything they need in life until they die.

    One other thing.

    Don't underestimate the earning power of 1,2 or 3 cents per click thru. It's not much in the short term, but it ads up over time.

    For sure you can make more, but you can also make less - and less is ZERO.

    Look at it this way:

    If you have 1,000 visitors per day and just 2% click on like you have on your site that says:

    "Click Here To Find More Information On ( whatever the topic of your site is)"

    That's 20 click thrus - At 2 cents per click thru that's $.40 per day - $12.00 per month.

    Now how much is it to host a site on I-Power Web per month - $7.95. $12.00 - $7.95 = YOU MADE A PROFIT.

    It wasn't much of a profit but it came from just 2% of all your traffic clicking on a simple text link. Everything else you earn is money in the bank.

    You can look at it in another way - You are paying 27 cents per day for hosting. You need
    to get 14 click thrus at 2 cents to make a profit.

    Grow your traffic to get at least 14 clicks per day on your out link to search engines and the rest is gravy.

    And personally, I would scrap the search boxes because they are a loser when compared to a simple text link.

    Now ask yourself this: How many simple pages can I host for $7.95 per month? Answer a bunch.

    So what we are taliking about is not per page but per DOMAIN name. Page 2 can get 3 clicks per day, page 7 can get 6, page 8 can get 4...the rest can get ZIP.

    But guess what, you just made a profit on your hosting.

    Step 1 to having a viable LONG TERM online business is to make a profit on your hosting costs.

    Step 2 is to make profit your TIME factor - how many hours do you spend on line and what could you earn spending that time doing something else. So if you spend 2 hours a day, online and you could get $8 per hour flipping burgers at Mickey D's, you need to make $16 to amke it profitable to work online vs MCD. Now it will cost you time and effort and colothing and such to go to MCD for the job, so you can subtract that if you wish. To sum it up: You need to charge yourself a minimum of $5 per hour for every hour you work online.

    You work 2 hours per day it's $10 per day. So you need to make $300 over and above the
    hosting which you must also pay to be profitable.

    Just some ideas to help you out.

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    fred, that was a great tip that you gave a while back too. i took it to heart and you are right, it does add up over time and previously non-performing content pages where nothing else worked are making money!

    thanks for the great tip!
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    Plus, ifyou are getting 2000 pageviews a day, you can join advertising.com, valueclick.com and maybe fastclick.com, for banners, towers and buttons for your pages, they love content sites. But the big earners are fastclick popunders, and some buttons from valueclick. If anyone is looking to join, feel free to visit my site at http://www.tipsdr.com/webmaster.html. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] Warning: By clicking this link, you will get a demo of the fastclick popunder, which will be the only popunder, there is a focalex popup on a couple pages, if you go exploring.

    [ 05-05-2002: Message edited by: qball0213 ]

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    Wow, I guess all these previous (blast from the past) posts make one really appreciate adsense!
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    had me wondering there, for a minute.

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    The problem with running annoying things like pop ups is that they make people install popup blockers. Next thing you know, nobody can find your affiliate links. Don't use sales tactics that annoy people, it will just cost you in the long run.

    That said, I haven't seen many popups lately. Are people wising up and using them less or am I just hanging out in the wrong places?

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    My Three Tips

    Tip 1: Join a real CPM/CPC program. Pop-unders for me normally pay 3 to 15 dollars depending on the time of year per CPM plus another .12 to 1 dollar per click.

    Tip 2: Ditch Adsense and go with Vibrant Media. You get a shit load more curiosity clicks from them then you will with Adsense. 100 clicks = about 20 to 50 dollars depending on the type of content you have.

    Tip 3: get a 300x250 ad in the middle of your content. Those generate another 3 to 15 dollars per CPM depending on the time of year plus another .12 to 1 dollar per click.

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    Join a real CPM/CPC program.
    Any suggestions?

    Edited to add: I just checked Vibrant's "Policies and Practices" page. It says they want publishers to have a million imps/month! Guess I won't be running to sign up quite yet after all...

    Plus, my sites aren't in the categories they're looking for: "Automotive, Computing & Information Technology, Consumer Electronics, Entertainment, Finance, Health, Small Business, Travel, Womens Interests"

    Women's Interests...what ARE we supposed to be interested in, anyway?! LOL I don't know if any of my sites would fit that or not. I never peddle any as "women's" sites, after all, men's money spends just as well!
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    I don't put conflicting ads on the same page. If it's a product page, it gets no "contextual advertising" whatsoever. I would rather have one $12 commission than one hundred 7 cent clicks.

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    Real CPM programs
    Well I just recently ditched Valueclick there pay out dropped drastically and they don't seem interested in running the CPM/CPC program anymore.

    I would suggest:
    rydium.com
    falk.com
    advertising.com (as of late their payout has dropped some but still a whole lot better then valueclick)
    Fastclick.com
    tribalfusion.com

    there are a few others out there that don't come to mind right now.

    If you are interested in getting into Vibrant Media. PM me your websites I can refer you to them even if you do not meet the impressions.

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