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    ABW Founder Haiko de Poel, Jr.'s Avatar
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    All,

    Although I will not break confidential information shared with me, I will say a few things...

    Buyersport has, according to their press releases, been working on developing their software offering for over 2 years via their strategic partner Morpheus/Streamcast.

    Many merchants still want to "evaluate", which means buy time for Buyersport because they are coding up a 'Fix'. I know the terms of the fix and have voiced my opinions thereof to Wurldmedia, but that is a different animal! The 'Fix' will / must be released with Morpheus 2.0 but who knows when that will come out.
    In the interim, 80MM computers have this pilfering BHO on their machines and the "evaluating" Merchants are still enjoying the traffic/sales and Buyersport the comms and other fees.

    It will be a living nightmare to get any real idea or even an intelligent extrapolation of how much affiliates really have lost because of this entire situation. Yes, Nightmare audits can be done but they are just a PITA! So my question is do any of you have any ideas for retribution by WurldMedia, Buyersport and the knowing Merchants?

    That is IF you think they owe anything, that is!

    I suggested a real retribution idea to Wurldmedia and doubt that they will do it.

    Haiko

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    too bad the "evaluating" merchants don't seem to understand that they are paying commissions to Buyersport for sales they would have made anyway.

    I suspect this is the case in far more instances than the "evaluating" merchants are aware.

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    Would these merchants allow commissioned salespeople in their brick-and-mortar stores to repeatedly intercept commissions which had been earned by someone else? If the merchant has ethics, the answer should be NO.

    This situation is no different.

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    Is there someway we can detect wether they have the program running or not? Then we might be able to get some idea on if the clicked a paying link or not.

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    Qball,
    You read my thoughts...I was wondering if there was an easy way to tell what cookies have been set when somebody visits our site. Is there a way to tell what cookies are being set. If we could determine that, we could come up with how many cookies are changed in a time frame, then use that as a formula to determine the damage done. If thats the case, than it could be site specific in the damages, vs everybody as a whole.

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    Tom and Qball,

    How are you going to analyze 80MM computers? and .... If you can get onto all those computers how will you do it before the 2.0 overwrite comes?

    Impossible!

    Haiko

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    It would be nice if I had some code for detecting the presence of parasites that I could add to the front of my site.

    That way, as my site pops up, I could code it to check for parasites, and if found, say: "WARNING: You have parasitic software on your PC. This software hijacks commissions earned by the webmasters of this and thousands of other sites you may want to visit. Thousands of webmasters object to this software, as it interferes with their ability to maintain the integrity of the content located at their own site.

    Here are the specific files:
    p1
    p2
    p3

    Would you like to regain control of your PC by having these files safely removed from your PC for free?"

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    Creek,

    Impossible ... the time needed to scan the computer for the files would take too long!

    The only feasible way would be a product like abestbrowser that on install and on every download scans for parasiteware.

    Haiko

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    what about looking only for their browser component dll in visitors computer?

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iucpxleps:
    what about looking only for their browser component dll in visitors computer?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    iucpxleps,

    Good idea, but I think it would still take too long as an onload tag no?

    HAiko

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    With NO delay, the basic information about my computer comes up in my log files (browser, OS, PC or Mac, etc).

    With INFINITESSIMAL delay, a stats program (Goldstats) was able to tell the major plug-ins I have running, and such a bunch of other stuff that it was almost creepy!

    It shouldn't be all that hard for a programmer with experience writing that type of tracking program--and CERTAINLY not "impossible"--to come up with a code which would just detect the offending version of the Morpheus BHO.

    Then a survey could be taken of a cross-section of webmasters/websites.

    The percentage of viewers who came to the sites with the bad BHO could be determined from that info...and a settlement proposed based on those figures!

    Alternatively, a settlement could be proposed based on the percentage of computers which have the download. But Morpheus would probably squawk like a stuffed pig, and suddenly be very vocal about how many of those downloads are never activated...

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    Well I was going with a quick detection, just so we could have an idea of how many times we could've been robbed of commisions, for the audit's sake. And if we had something that could pick it up real quick, we could redirect them to a page that would ask them to wait while we checked to see if they really had it, blah blah, how to remove it, what it's actually doing, etc.

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    If you can detect whether they have the program running then we (someone) could make a routine that checks for the software and then redirects the user to a html file which tells them that they do not have access to the website because they are running XXX software which is parasitic etc.

    The reason that I say an HTML file, is so that each site could then use its own custom page.

    The script could be uploaded to abestweb and made available for all to download. I have no problem with blocking access to my site. You lose the sale anyway.

    If we ALL use it, then it would make it a real pain for the user to be blocked from so many sites and motivate them to remove the software. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    <edit>
    And if you wanted statistics, you could get them from how many times your HTML file was read.
    </edit>

    [ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: Wayder ]

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    All,

    I'm on it! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif>

    Haiko

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    Haiko-


    By the way, you are -the dude-.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Haiko-

    By the way, you are -the dude-.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    We say that a little differently in these parts [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    This won't help with finding out how many commissions are stolen, however, there is another solution to this whole mess. For quite some time, there has been a virus warning floating around the net. It tells you to do a search on your computer, and if you have the file you should delete it. It is a virus in waiting, and on a certain date, it will 'wake up'....Thing is, that file is a windows program that has something to do with long filenames. Your computer will run fine with out it. I get a lot of people asking me if this is really a virus. Usually they ask me after they have deleted this windows program. With all of the webmasters here, we have a lot of eyeballs on our mailing lists. What if we just sent out newsletters saying that is possible that they have parasitic software running on their computer. They should do a search for a file named 'x' and they should delete it. We won't be mis-leading and say its a virus (even though I consider to be). Any thoughts on this?

    Tom Pyles

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wayder:
    If you can detect whether they have the program running then we (someone) could make a routine that checks for the software and then redirects the user to a html file which tells them that they do not have access to the website because they are running XXX software which is parasitic etc.

    The reason that I say an HTML file, is so that each site could then use its own custom page.

    The script could be uploaded to abestweb and made available for all to download. I have no problem with blocking access to my site. You lose the sale anyway.

    If we ALL use it, then it would make it a real pain for the user to be blocked from so many sites and motivate them to remove the software. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    And if you wanted statistics, you could get them from how many times your HTML file was read.
    </edit>

    [ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: Wayder ]
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Is this what you are looking for?
    http://and.doxdesk.com/software/js/parasite.html

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    TH Media

    This won't help with finding out how many commissions are stolen
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Why continue to allow it. With the option to reject the user you
    a: stop the theft.
    b: alert the user.
    c: get the statistic.

    and I feel this is the correct order of priority.

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    @missdonna

    :eek: Yes! Thanks [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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    Haiko,

    Audits are not a PITA if they have to do them. They are costly and time consuming and it would be cost less to settle than have to do all the compiling.

    They must know or have an IP address or an email for every one of their downloads. A simple court case and you can supeona all the 80 million names and send them an email.
    When they were downloaded etc.

    In a lawsuit you can ask for this info in discovery and they have to give it to you - and you can ask for it in hard copy and on disk and in a useable file.

    Actually retribution would be to get the FEDS to nail them as terrorists.

    One thing you can do is send out PR about individual companies...do what Caesar Chavez did with California growers...pick a company and file as many small claims in as many different jurisdiction as possible...then send out a PR piece on the suit.

    It'a an election year...time to get real retribution

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by iucpxleps:
    what about looking only for their browser component dll in visitors computer?

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
    iucpxleps,

    Good idea, but I think it would still take too long as an onload tag no?

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    if you're looking for a specific file in a specific directory it shouldn't take long at all. I would assume the Morpheus BHO .dll is installed into the same directory on each computer so it's not like it has to run a scan. The only problem is if the user is behind a firewall it might not be possible.

    [ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: eaglefire ]

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Professor:
    Haiko,

    Audits are not a PITA if they have to do them. They are costly and time consuming and it would be cost less to settle than have to do all the compiling.

    They must know or have an IP address or an email for every one of their downloads. A simple court case and you can supeona all the 80 million names and send them an email.
    When they were downloaded etc.

    In a lawsuit you can ask for this info in discovery and they have to give it to you - and you can ask for it in hard copy and on disk and in a useable file.

    Actually retribution would be to get the FEDS to nail them as terrorists.

    One thing you can do is send out PR about individual companies...do what Caesar Chavez did with California growers...pick a company and file as many small claims in as many different jurisdiction as possible...then send out a PR piece on the suit.

    It'a an election year...time to get real retribution
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    Fred,

    The goal is not to make auditors and/or lawyers rich(er) ... the goal is to help our community, as a whole, and make sure that sheet like this is not allowed.

    I will say this ... Stephen Messer and Todd Crawford have been, both, great in helping to guide Buyersport into good and viable merchants with a real plan.

    Lets work on the good that we as a cohesive unit do, build on it and continue the open communications, lets help shape the industry, for we can and most importantly DO!

    Haiko

    PS. My resolution was a donation to a lobby / legal fund to further independent affiliate activities and rights

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    Miss Donna:

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Is this what you are looking for? http://and.doxdesk.com/software/js/parasite.html
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


    Line 30 of Parasite.js

    new Array('40AC4D2D-491D-11D4-AAF2-0008C75DCD2B', 'WurldMedia', 'P', 'E'),


    looks like the registry key

    [ 05-06-2002: Message edited by: eaglefire ]

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    I haven't seen mention of Ad-aware in ref to morpheus - does AA check for it?

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    I don't know if the rest of you have looked at this script yet and client-side scripting is not my strong suit, but as far as I can tell, it checks for the Morpheus registry key and if it's found, it can be made to direct the user to download the fix - ie in this case to Morph Buster.

    When version 2 (non BHO) is released, you could send the user to the new version.

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