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    Proposed changes to domain contracts at ICANN will effect your busines
    I have not posted here in years.

    However there is a very important change being proposed to the agreements for the .biz, .info and .org registries

    The proposed changes can be found here :
    http://www.icann.org/announcements/a...-2-28jul06.htm

    The major flaws with these changes are
    1. Presumptive renewals of contracts
    2. Elimination of negotiated pricing

    What does this mean to you ?
    The most important flaw in this proposal that will have an impact on your business in the future is that the registires of these domains are proposing that ICANNs new agreements remove any negotiations on pricing. The price of your domain will go up. The possibilities are that you will be paying a variable price on domains in the future.

    ICANN is charged with protecting you, the internet consumer/domain user. They have currently negotiated a price point which the registry can charge. This means the wholesale prices are set (roughly $6) and the registry is not allowed to modify this pricing. With this new contract a registry is free to set their own pricing models. Imagine that your domain now costs $1000 per year to renew because the company that administers the registry has determined that you can afford that. Under this proposal this is a real possibility.

    Here is a link to an article about this topic
    http://www.circleid.com/posts/icann_...fo_org_domain/

    What would happen if you could no longer afford to renew the domain that you built your business on ? If you believe this to be an important issue I encourage you to voice your opinion to the ICANN board by emailing the following lists

    biz-tld-agreement@icann.org
    info-tld-agreement@icann.org
    org-tld-agreement@icann.org

    Of course I would encourage you to write your own opinion on this but
    here is a sample letter that you could send in to voice your opinion. You can see many other samples and the overwhelming opposition to this proposal here : http://forum.icann.org/lists/org-tld-agreement/

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    To the ICANN Board
    I would like to express my profound concern over the proposed agreements for the .biz, .info and .org registry agreements. Any proposal that allows registries to charge any price that they wish for domains is not in the best interest of the consumer or the registrants of these domains. ICANN is intended to represent the internet user in registry contract negotiations. As one of these users, I am firmly opposed to this proposal and encourage ICANN to renegotiate an agreement that makes sense to the internet community.

    I encourage the ICANN board to re-read their Memorandum between ICANN and the Department of Commerce http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/dom...memorandum.htm
    which states

    "This Agreement promotes the management of the DNS in a manner that will permit market mechanisms to support competition and consumer choice in the technical management of the DNS. This competition will lower costs, promote innovation, and enhance user choice and satisfaction. "


    THANK YOU
    Joe Q Public
    Internet user/business owner/etc



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    You have until 5pm PST today to make your voice heard.

    THANK YOU

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    Let's get the word out, only a few hours left to get your comments posted to the icann discussions.
    Dig this article please:
    http://digg.com/tech_news/Tiered_pri...l_domain_names

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    This is potentially a big set back for the online world. If you own a nice domain name... "Be Afraid"

    Imagine if all the registries started doing what .tv does. Trust me. If they can, they will (they already are).

    http://www.tv/en-def-42f796cbb135/cg...ld=tv&x=24&y=9

    http://tinyurl.com/sxvoo

    Please do something about this if you can. See the poster below for details...

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    also digg here please
    http://digg.com/tech_news/ICANN_prop...in_name_prices
    301 diggs so far
    Has a homepage link, was #1 a few minutes ago!

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    What's with all the newbies in this post?

    For what It's worth, since 1995 the same thing happened to .com and .net and the prices have dropped.

    Quote from Digg

    "Did you even read information on ICANN's site? This is about eliminating price controls on .INFO, .BIZ and .ORG domains. These controls were eliminated on .COM and .NET domains in 2005. There was no huge price spike after the controls were lifted in 2005, so basically Ken McCarthy's an alarmist. "

    Beating the drum... Alarmist?

    Sounds Absoultly Poopie, don't you agree?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie Nubert
    What's with all the newbies in this post?

    For what It's worth, since 1995 the same thing happened to .com and .net and the prices have dropped.

    Quote from Digg

    "Did you even read information on ICANN's site? This is about eliminating price controls on .INFO, .BIZ and .ORG domains. These controls were eliminated on .COM and .NET domains in 2005. There was no huge price spike after the controls were lifted in 2005, so basically Ken McCarthy's an alarmist. "

    Beating the drum... Alarmist?

    Sounds Absoultly Poopie, don't you agree?


    First off, I'm a newbie to here, but if you look I've been a member for a long time, as long as you in fact and I mentioned it's been awhile since I've been here. So, does that make any of my points less valid ? Does that make this issue less important ?

    Call me an alarmist if you will but I don't wish for my business to be any more costly . Do you think that the registries including Verisign are acting in your businesses best interest or their shareholders best interest ?

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    This is definitely an important issue to ALL domain owners. If the proposed changes get passed, you could be looking at very expensive renewal fees one day. Perhaps so expensive that you can't afford to even own the domain anymore or the website that you've built around it.

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    The sky is still up
    I agree with Poopie on the topic of the actual rate adjustments that could occur. We have not seen an increase in domain registry fees for dot com domains and in fact a drop.

    While we should not overlook or dismiss the issue, likewise there is no reason to panic. Thanks for your posts. Whether you are new or not, whether I agree with your degree of concern or not - it was nice of you to post the news.

    Best Of Luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by edrugs.com
    First off, I'm a newbie to here, but if you look I've been a member for a long time, as long as you in fact and I mentioned it's been awhile since I've been here. So, does that make any of my points less valid ? Does that make this issue less important ?

    Call me an alarmist if you will but I don't wish for my business to be any more costly . Do you think that the registries including Verisign are acting in your businesses best interest or their shareholders best interest ?
    I was not upset that a newbie brought this to the attention of the board, but rather just thought it was funny that the first sets of posts were by newbies. I was not sure if some site was directing people over here to raise a toast to abw or what not. (Please don't take it any other way. I was not going to browse you to find out when you became a member, just saw the number of posts)

    I don't use Verisign, I don't have any of the tld's mentioned, I do have .com and .net and have yet to see anything but give aways. Yahoo $2.99, Go Daddy, cheaper by the dozen and not that $35.00 crazy number that Verisign use to get.

    I don't think it will make a tinkers damn what the ruling will do.

    What's wrong with shareholders? Are you not looking out for "Your Biggest Shareholder, yourself? WFT does that mean?

    A company whether made up of millions of investors or a single entity, they are always looking out for themselves.

    YEA Capitalism! Down with Socialism and drug pushers!

    I can't wait for $4.00 a gallon gas! Know why? I want shoppers to not go to the malls, they can come my way via the web. And I (God Forbid) make a bigger proffit for my shareholders (Me, myself and I).

    Oh boy, I can't wait... just let me get my hands around an oil supply pipeline. I'm gonna squeeze it till it farts.

    Thanks for listening,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ALH - AmeritrustRx
    I agree with Poopie on the topic of the actual rate adjustments that could occur. We have not seen an increase in domain registry fees for dot com domains and in fact a drop.

    While we should not overlook or dismiss the issue, likewise there is no reason to panic. Thanks for your posts. Whether you are new or not, whether I agree with your degree of concern or not - it was nice of you to post the news.

    Best Of Luck

    With all due respect ALH you must not have been keeping up with the news.
    The .com contract was renegotiated as the result of a lawsuit settlement and prices are going up. You can read it here : http://icann.org/topics/verisign-set...ded_agreements

    ICANN has approved this but has yet to receive Dept of commerce approval which is likely a rubberstamp approval. All it will take is a thumbs up by DOC and renewals will be increasing over the next 6 year period.

    Domain prices ARE going up not down. You are wrong in your facts.
    Misinformation like this is what results in misunderstanding and complacency.

    Thank you
    Adam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie Nubert
    I was not upset that a newbie brought this to the attention of the board, but rather just thought it was funny that the first sets of posts were by newbies. I was not sure if some site was directing people over here to raise a toast to abw or what not. (Please don't take it any other way. I was not going to browse you to find out when you became a member, just saw the number of posts)

    I don't use Verisign, I don't have any of the tld's mentioned, I do have .com and .net and have yet to see anything but give aways. Yahoo $2.99, Go Daddy, cheaper by the dozen and not that $35.00 crazy number that Verisign use to get.
    Verisign is the REGISTRY that controls the DNS for .com . You use them everyday and you don't even realize it do you Additioanlly they are granted by ICANN the right to charge a wholesale price per domain for the management of this registry. That fee is passed to your REGISTRAR such as godaddy and then they pass the fee on to you. An uncapped pricing scenario allows the REGISTRY to start the wholesale price at $100 lets say which they pass on to godaddy which trickles down to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie Nubert
    I don't think it will make a tinkers damn what the ruling will do.
    ah but you give them too much credit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Poopie Nubert
    What's wrong with shareholders? Are you not looking out for "Your Biggest Shareholder, yourself? WFT does that mean?
    A company whether made up of millions of investors or a single entity, they are always looking out for themselves.
    YEA Capitalism! Down with Socialism!
    My point about Verisign the registry not acting in your best interest was obviously missed. I agree they won't ever act in your best interest. In fact it's their job to get every dollar out of your pocket they can. HOWEVER, ICANNs job is to protect the internet user, promote stability and so forth. For someone to think that a proposal given by the registry to ICANN is in the best interest of the public is clearly irrational.

    ICANN, the board that governs the registry implementation of the DNS, has been charged by the Dept of Commerce to act on YOUR behalf so that these companies don't gouge you. Do you think they are doing their job by allowing a company to charge whatever they see fit ? Is this in the PUBLICS best interest
    See this memo here :
    http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/dom...memorandum.htm
    which states

    "2. Competition

    This Agreement promotes the management of the DNS in a manner that will permit market mechanisms to support competition and consumer choice in the technical management of the DNS. This competition will lower costs, promote innovation, and enhance user choice and satisfaction."

    I'm glad you are ok with the proposition that a business can charge you whatever they see fit for the service they provide you. If you make thousands of dollars off your website, please let me know the domain so I can be the first one in line to bid for it when it's up for renewal.

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    Adam is a friend of mine and knows what he's talking about - enough said. If you don't care about the issue, so be it. If you do care, let ICANN know. Either way, thank you for posting Adam.

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    Did you mean: Absolutely
    Did you mean: Entrepreneur
    I don't think it will make a tinkers damn what the ruling will do.
    What explanation would you give about the fact that only two posts at last count are in favor of the agreements?
    The first one was made by Chuck Gomes of Verisign (.com)
    http://forum.icann.org/lists/org-tld.../msg00124.html
    and the other favorable poster, Brian Johnson of .jobs
    http://forum.icann.org/lists/org-tld.../msg00283.html

    You don't think it will make a difference what the "ruling" will do?
    Why, then, is over 99% of the internet community opposed to this, and the only ones in favor are those that WILL "tax" the pants off your domains if given the opportunity?
    Clearly you are misinformed / uninformed.
    This is the worst thing to happen, the worst threat ever, to endanger the stability of the internet to date.

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