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    Over and over again I there was is subjected national
    discrimination from USA Affiliate Programs.

    Leadhound has closed my accaunt that I russian.
    In CJ 60% advertisers not accepted me on sole reason: I russian.
    in clickxchange 80% advertisers not accepted me on sole reason: I russian.
    shareasale does not accept me for this reason.

    I know: In USA national discrimination - serious crime.
    Prompt please, where necessary to write that- there were problems beside guilty.

    9 may we shall celebrate the victory on fascism in 1945 year.
    Much unpleasant before this holiday to realize: that the fascism develops in USA.

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    Здравствуйте Оксижзн!

    One of our members here, SWAT, has complained of the same thing. It seems that the reason given by many advertisers is that the see a very high degree of fraudulent transactions coming from Russia.

    There are various ways around this - one is to set up a mailbox in the US. Google has a list that includes companies offering mailboxes to overseas residents - for example PrivateMailDrop.com offers a New Zealand PO Box number.

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    oxigen,

    Hi and Welcome to ABW! <IMG src=http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/welcome.gif>

    First of all, they do NOT have to accept your site into the network, that is not discrimination that is in the TOS.

    Secondly, most of the affiliate fraud comes from your area of the world, so I am sure that they will review any site(s) submitted with a fine tooth comb.

    Thirdly, your not missing out on anything with GreadHound, they don't track for SH!T and David is the most unprofessional and unreliable excuse of a man I have ever seen!

    I had, through a third party (fastclick), tracked over 59 clicks on over 33K impressions in one month ... their stats showed 7 impressions and only 1 click. :eek: After approaching David, and pestering him for over a week about it he decided to deactivate me instead of answering why he lied about real time tracking or any tracking at all.

    Run Away from that flea infested sh!t, your much better off!

    Haiko

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>David is the most unprofessional and unreliable excuse of a man I have ever seen!
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    hehe [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Run Away from that flea infested sh!t, your much better off!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    lol, oxigen, Haiko is right! Stay away form the stupid dog from florida.

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    Now, Haiko, don't hold back: Tell us how you REALLY feel...lolol.

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    This is very interestring!!! I'm from Romania and there are few problems but not like Russia... ANYWAY THANK YOU !!!!

    [ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: dapyx ]

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    Haiko [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

    Hi Oxigen and welcome,
    You might also want to check out http://www.myus.com They also have an affiliate program though I have not tried it.

    [ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: tmd5 ]

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    Oxygen,

    I have a feeling that some big american companies ( example : CJ ) and some small american companies ( example : the stupid dog from florida ) are discriminating against three specific countries. The three countries that I am refering to are the world's largest economies and are foremost among developing countries. Somehow, I have the feeling that some american companies are fearing that these three countries are a threat to their countries economy [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

    The countries are:
    1. China ( world's second largest economy )
    2. India ( world's fourth largest economy )
    3. Russia ( Worlds's fifth largest economy )

    Whenever I have spoke to people related to either of the affiliate marketing companies mentioned above, the answer that I have god has always included the names of specifically the above mentioned countries.

    I wonder what's going on, or is it some kinda government policy?

    Regards,
    Pranav.

    [ 05-07-2002: Message edited by: Internet_Guru ]

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    If any abestweb.com members (of good standing) need a UK address to have checks forwarded to, I can find them one. I'm a little tired of this discrimination.


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    Haiko,

    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>First of all, they do NOT have to accept your site into the network, that is not discrimination that is in the TOS.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    BULL SHEET

    Lets say I managed the Empire State Building and I did not let people of Arab flavor go to the top. Is that my TOS or is it discrimination? Could be a little of both as I think some of if not all of the networks are doing.

    Then again, you are right about... <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>most of the affiliate fraud comes from your area of the world<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> remarks.

    Then again, I think all of the hijackers may have been Arabs? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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    True enough. Just because its in the TOS doesn't mean they're not discriminatory TOS.


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    Thanks to all for support.

    Dynamoo rights.
    Come little to defraud and use some mail redirection service.
    The Unpleasant to hide my true person, but other exit does not exist.

    Many sponsors recuired SSN/EIN from USA residents.

    I do not understand, that this? How to get this?
    Do i Possible write random number or this crime ?

    P.S sorry for my english

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    I can't judge without seeing your site.

    But I am Canadian and get auto rejected once in a while.

    Do you have a domain name?
    Do you have more american traffic than russian (or other countries)

    Do you have more banner than text.

    I have a small affiliate program and I rarely accept out of USA/Canada, because the majority of sites out of here is lacking of content, and isn't the traffic I'm looking for most are on to this email for cash kick, and those arent' the visitors I'm looking for. So if your net4bucks, or something of this Please sign up here and here and make a few bucks...type site. Your auto delete.

    I don't have a problem with out of country sites, as long as their site is in English and pertains to the average american, but when you have russian text and I only ship to USA, how does that work?

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    Oxigen, if you are going to pretend you are a US resident, unless you supply a SSN/EIN I'm pretty sure you will be subject to 30% withholding tax.
    There has to be a better way around this...

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    Pretend he's a UK citizen?

    I tried signing up for Performics. Impossible. I tried putting all 1's or all 0's.

    I rang. They suggested I send my site details to a particular person. I did. She never replied. I gave up.

    What *especially* pisses me off is that almost a year ago on the CJ board someone asked about alternatives to CJ and *I suggested Performics*.

    Everyone asked who they were and I explained. Some of you signed up.

    I really wish I hadn't bothered.


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    Hi oxigen!

    As you I can't use most of USA affiliates companies. They don't want to cooperat with us, so we need to use some little сunnings. Some times it's illigal. But most of that almost legal and helpful things.

    I don't no in what part of Russia do you live. But here, in Siberia, I can't work with affiliates with 100%

    Here another example: ABW is open the store of some stuff with logos of ABW members. I tried to order one of them, but... I can't transfer the money for that order!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img] And that is like a pain in my *ss!

    So, for the bottom line: don't try to speack about discrimination from USA Affiliate Programs. They don't lesten us and don't change they mind. All what you really can it's to find the way (legal or not, is your choose) how to fix or change this situation on your side!

    P.S. If you want I can connect and exchange with you some helpful information.

    Icicle: And how can I get the real UK mail address?

    [ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: SWAT ]

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    Your problems aren't with the US merchants. They are with your banks.


    Let me put it this way. How would you send money to me? Would you send me a check, credit card, paypal, money order, cash or what?

    I know you can use credit cards in some cases, maybe send a money order or western union money transfer but there is always some restriction or another that seems to get in the way. What's needed is a true international payment method but the expences of this would probably be so high that by the time money was sent it wouldn't have any value.

    [ 05-09-2002: Message edited by: Heyder ]

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    >Icicle: And how can I get the real UK mail address?

    Check your private mail.


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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>I can't judge without seeing your site.
    But I am Canadian and get auto rejected once in a while.

    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm in the US and am routinely auto-rejected for CJ programs that operate out of the UK. I have a content site that draws more active UK traffic than from anywhere else, but I can't offer them many programs because of this.

    I don't think this is discrimination however. Part of this is the difficulties with making international payments; both the customer making payments to the merchants and the merchants paying publishers.

    Another issue is what I think is often the misconception on the part of merchants that if an affiliate publisher *lives* in a certain country or region, they won't draw traffic from other areas of the world ... leading the merchant to (incorrectly) assume they would have to bother with international shipping when they are not equipped to handle it.

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    First, it is not illegal for a US company to choose to not do business with any foreign entity, for any reason. So there is no one to write to.

    Second, I don't blame them. Sorry, but I don't. Having ran an online store we eventually blocked all the russian ipblocks we could find. It has nothing to do with being scared of competition, it had to do with every single order being fraudulent.

    So you aren't - I feel bad but the economics of going thru 10,000 russian scams to find the one that is not, just isn't feasible. And then if your site is fine, what about your customers? If they are local, most companies will not ship to russia as easily as other countries, it is just the way business is done and the way your govt has chosen to interact with the rest of the world.

    Until this is corrected, by your govt and your people, there is no one to blame over here - the people you should blame are next to you.

    Chet

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    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But I am Canadian and get auto rejected once in a while. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Auto-rejects are not necessarily permanent ... my experience has been that a quick "please reconsider" note to the merchant usually gets a positive response.

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    You should also consider that because of various trade regulations, certain industries require special licensing to sell to anywhere outside the US (I once worked in a software company and we couldn't even sell to Canada without special licensing). A lot of companies don't even want to deal with other countries because they either don't want to bother with licensing or learning which countries they can/can't sell to.

    Same thing goes for outside affiliates -- even those with primarily US audiences. What are the rules of having employees/contractors outside the US? Do you know? Guess what -- that also depends on the country.

    It may not be "fair", but it's just flat out easier for US companies to blanket block anyone outside the US. Is it discrimination? Sure. Is it illegal? No.

    Discrimination laws protect US citizens.

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    There is big problem:
    The American payment systems can not work in free countrys.

    90% possibilities to honored earnings locked for people from Russia.
    But holes in payment systems are known all.

    the problem in this and only in this.

    I participate in development www.vipshop.org
    We have valued the possibility a receiving the credit cards and have solved:
    If we will install billing - in month we get up the big stranger a subject in anal hole.

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